<!--QuoteBegin-Align+Mar 25 2005, 05:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Align @ Mar 25 2005, 05:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I thought you needed either eggs or semen(or equivalent in the case of the dinosaurs, hell if I know how they reproduced) to clone something? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> in theory its possible to "push back" the life of any cell until it has reached the time where its job has not been coded in. then u just have to stimulate it to become the kind of cell u want.
(im basing this off a conversation i had with my biology teacher so my wording isnt very scientific)
<!--QuoteBegin-Mr JeburtO+Mar 25 2005, 08:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mr JeburtO @ Mar 25 2005, 08:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Align+Mar 25 2005, 05:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Align @ Mar 25 2005, 05:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I thought you needed either eggs or semen(or equivalent in the case of the dinosaurs, hell if I know how they reproduced) to clone something? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> in theory its possible to "push back" the life of any cell until it has reached the time where its job has not been coded in. then u just have to stimulate it to become the kind of cell u want.
(im basing this off a conversation i had with my biology teacher so my wording isnt very scientific) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's not the big problem. If I'm remembering what I read a looong time ago, then the oxygen content of earlier era's was quite a bit higher. Any animals bred would probably asphyxiate.
You'd also need a surogate mother (I think), and let me tell you, a ostrige probably wouldn't be all too happy to give birth to a Brachiosaurus.
<!--QuoteBegin-Frikk+Mar 25 2005, 10:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Frikk @ Mar 25 2005, 10:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You'd also need a surogate mother (I think), and let me tell you, a ostrige probably wouldn't be all too happy to give birth to a Brachiosaurus. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I once watched some documentary about birds, one of the examined birds was a bit bigger than a sparrow but had laid an egg almost the size of a bloody watermelon. I just gazed and was all WTH.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cold NiTe+Mar 25 2005, 03:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold NiTe @ Mar 25 2005, 03:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The question is, in your Jurassic Farm, if they are farming it. Are we eating it? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> SOYLENT GREENANDSCALY IS MADE OUT OF DINOSAURS! ITS MAAADDDEEE OUUUUTTT OFFF DIIIIIINOOOOOOSAAAAAUUUURRRRSSSSSS!!!!!
First their analyzing the DNA structure of a T-Rex, then their cloning them, then they're displaying them in zoo's, then they're selling genetically modified miniature versions as house-pets.
<!--QuoteBegin-Renegade+Mar 26 2005, 12:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Renegade @ Mar 26 2005, 12:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> First their analyzing the DNA structure of a T-Rex, then their cloning them, then they're displaying them in zoo's, then they're selling genetically modified miniature versions as house-pets.
God damnit, I want a pet mini-rex! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Imagine what the health care costs will be for them? Not to mention the habitat and food needed. Bill Gates and his army of Rex's for the win!
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Also with cloning etc. going on scientists may want to use DNA from dinosaurs and if they managed to clone cells and replicate cells and genes, would it be right to assume that scientists may well use them to try and help with fighting terminal illness and diseases such as cancer etc? Seems like this could turn from a quiet spark to a flame one day.
<!--QuoteBegin-KoniaX+Mar 25 2005, 04:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (KoniaX @ Mar 25 2005, 04:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'd steal one as a pet and have it eat my annoying neighbors. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ooh i could have a REAL pet raptor
<!--QuoteBegin-BadKarma+Mar 25 2005, 08:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ Mar 25 2005, 08:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'd pay such good money to see Steve Irwin to run through a jungle at top speed, blindside tackle a Velociraptor, and then have his world turn to ****. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> now you dont wanna make him angry!
<!--QuoteBegin-Align+Mar 26 2005, 07:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Align @ Mar 26 2005, 07:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Godzilla wasn't a dinosaur... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually in the japanese versions he was a mutated T-Rex from the nuclear testing. In the horrible american remake it was an iguana mutated from nuclear testing.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Mar 26 2005, 10:34 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Mar 26 2005, 10:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Align+Mar 26 2005, 07:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Align @ Mar 26 2005, 07:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Godzilla wasn't a dinosaur... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually in the japanese versions he was a mutated T-Rex from the nuclear testing. In the horrible american remake it was an iguana mutated from nuclear testing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> *Godzillasaurus
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Mar 26 2005, 04:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Mar 26 2005, 04:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Actually in the japanese versions he was a mutated T-Rex from the nuclear testing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> *shrug* I tend to only watch movies that are in a language I can understand...
well...normaly I wouldn't do this, but seeing as I happen to live in the town where tehy are working on this, and have a background in paleontology, I feel some what motivated to ruin all your dreams. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Now this is a really really really cool find, there no way around that, however the chances of this leading to having t-rex's roaming around again (which is prehaps my second most hoped for event ever, the first being...well....since their might be childern reading this, maybe we should just gloss over that... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) are very very very small.
Why? Becasue the protien structure of DNA starts breaking down on a time scale measured in thousands of year, far less than the 65 million plus since this t-rex happen to live. This means that even if there is soft tissue present, the chances of finding a suffciently intact bit of DNA is very small.
Futhermore, in the local paper the scientists involved were interviewed and made the following statment (paraphrased, since I don't have a copy of the paper). They belive that it might not even be soft tissue, but some sort of wierd soft polamer that formed during fossilization. Which should be kept in mind, even though that explination seems almost less likely than it being soft tissue to me, and frankly through out most of the article they did seem pretty convinced that ti was soft tissue, but like all scientists they are being careful not to make it seem like they know what it is, when they haven't really done a lot of reasearch on it yet. OF course thats never what you get from the mainstream science news stories, but thats another topic all together.
if it is soft tissue, it will be an extermly important find, both for allowing an unprecedented look at the lving animal, but for the protiens that might be extracted from it. Unfortunatly, as mentioned above, DNA is almost certinaly not one of these. For a good introduction to what sorts of protiens are useful, and how they are used within the field of paleontology I highly recommend a book called the Complete Dinosaur. Can't remember the editor of the book (a collection of essay on dinosaur paleontology), or the author of the essay on this right now, but its a very good read.
And here is to hopng that I'm wrong. Because lets be honest here, anyone who wouldn't want a T-rex for a pet has serious issues that should be delt with. Frankly, they should be manditory once created: its a pet, a population control device, and a home securitsy system all in one! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Why? Becasue the protien structure of DNA starts breaking down on a time scale measured in thousands of year, far less than the 65 million plus since this t-rex happen to live. This means that even if there is soft tissue present, the chances of finding a suffciently intact bit of DNA is very small.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Isn't this what we've all been doing <a href='http://folding.stanford.edu' target='_blank'>Folding</a> for?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Who'd have thought that having a chewy centre would be a beneficial evolutionary trait?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Who'd have thought that an admin had a sense of humour? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> (I really hope this won't be a repeat of the last time I joked with an admin. Bloody menstrual cycle jokes...)
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This particular dinosaur fossil was too big to lift and they reluctantly cracked a thighbone.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Who did? The dinosaur cracked a thighbone? Who's thighbone? I hope it was someone important...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Both the dinosaur and ostrich blood vessels contained small, reddish brown dots that could be the nuclei of the endothelial cells that line blood vessels.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If the cells they recovered were endothelial cells, then you would find the same cells in *any* multi-celled, organic specimen, that had a pulmonary system...
All this dinosaur thing is very good and all. But won't dinosaur be able to kill us in our thousands, until they stumble across me.
With me .22 air rifle.
Loaded with small PC screws...
CO2 powered grapeshot, motherf**ker... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Why? Becasue the protien structure of DNA starts breaking down on a time scale measured in thousands of year, far less than the 65 million plus since this t-rex happen to live. This means that even if there is soft tissue present, the chances of finding a suffciently intact bit of DNA is very small.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Isn't this what we've all been doing <a href='http://folding.stanford.edu' target='_blank'>Folding</a> for?
[ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Unfortunaly, no. My understanding of that program is that it desgined to help us understand how and why poteins fold. This is very different from dealing with a strand of DNA, the component proteins of which have been decaying for the last 65 million years. If the protiens are not there anymore, knowing how and why they might have folded is useless.
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in theory its possible to "push back" the life of any cell until it has reached the time where its job has not been coded in. then u just have to stimulate it to become the kind of cell u want.
(im basing this off a conversation i had with my biology teacher so my wording isnt very scientific)
in theory its possible to "push back" the life of any cell until it has reached the time where its job has not been coded in. then u just have to stimulate it to become the kind of cell u want.
(im basing this off a conversation i had with my biology teacher so my wording isnt very scientific) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's not the big problem. If I'm remembering what I read a looong time ago, then the oxygen content of earlier era's was quite a bit higher. Any animals bred would probably asphyxiate.
You'd also need a surogate mother (I think), and let me tell you, a ostrige probably wouldn't be all too happy to give birth to a Brachiosaurus.
I once watched some documentary about birds, one of the examined birds was a bit bigger than a sparrow but had laid an egg almost the size of a bloody watermelon. I just gazed and was all WTH.
Who's Steve Irwin btw?
Goldblum.
Goldblum. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
<a href='http://www.jeffgoldblumiswatchingyoupoop.com/' target='_blank'>Indeed. </a>
SOYLENT GREENANDSCALY IS MADE OUT OF DINOSAURS! ITS MAAADDDEEE OUUUUTTT OFFF DIIIIIINOOOOOOSAAAAAUUUURRRRSSSSSS!!!!!
God damnit, I want a pet mini-rex!
God damnit, I want a pet mini-rex! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Imagine what the health care costs will be for them? Not to mention the habitat and food needed. Bill Gates and his army of Rex's for the win!
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Also with cloning etc. going on scientists may want to use DNA from dinosaurs and if they managed to clone cells and replicate cells and genes, would it be right to assume that scientists may well use them to try and help with fighting terminal illness and diseases such as cancer etc? Seems like this could turn from a quiet spark to a flame one day.
ooh i could have a REAL pet raptor
now you dont wanna make him angry!
get the tarp wes!
Actually in the japanese versions he was a mutated T-Rex from the nuclear testing.
In the horrible american remake it was an iguana mutated from nuclear testing.
Actually in the japanese versions he was a mutated T-Rex from the nuclear testing.
In the horrible american remake it was an iguana mutated from nuclear testing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
*Godzillasaurus
<!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Yes he was.
A made up one, but still a dinosaur.
<img src='http://www.godzilla.stopklatka.pl/godz-pl/gigan.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
*shrug*
I tend to only watch movies that are in a language I can understand...
Now this is a really really really cool find, there no way around that, however the chances of this leading to having t-rex's roaming around again (which is prehaps my second most hoped for event ever, the first being...well....since their might be childern reading this, maybe we should just gloss over that... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) are very very very small.
Why? Becasue the protien structure of DNA starts breaking down on a time scale measured in thousands of year, far less than the 65 million plus since this t-rex happen to live. This means that even if there is soft tissue present, the chances of finding a suffciently intact bit of DNA is very small.
Futhermore, in the local paper the scientists involved were interviewed and made the following statment (paraphrased, since I don't have a copy of the paper). They belive that it might not even be soft tissue, but some sort of wierd soft polamer that formed during fossilization. Which should be kept in mind, even though that explination seems almost less likely than it being soft tissue to me, and frankly through out most of the article they did seem pretty convinced that ti was soft tissue, but like all scientists they are being careful not to make it seem like they know what it is, when they haven't really done a lot of reasearch on it yet. OF course thats never what you get from the mainstream science news stories, but thats another topic all together.
if it is soft tissue, it will be an extermly important find, both for allowing an unprecedented look at the lving animal, but for the protiens that might be extracted from it. Unfortunatly, as mentioned above, DNA is almost certinaly not one of these. For a good introduction to what sorts of protiens are useful, and how they are used within the field of paleontology I highly recommend a book called the Complete Dinosaur. Can't remember the editor of the book (a collection of essay on dinosaur paleontology), or the author of the essay on this right now, but its a very good read.
And here is to hopng that I'm wrong. Because lets be honest here, anyone who wouldn't want a T-rex for a pet has serious issues that should be delt with. Frankly, they should be manditory once created: its a pet, a population control device, and a home securitsy system all in one! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Why? Becasue the protien structure of DNA starts breaking down on a time scale measured in thousands of year, far less than the 65 million plus since this t-rex happen to live. This means that even if there is soft tissue present, the chances of finding a suffciently intact bit of DNA is very small.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Isn't this what we've all been doing <a href='http://folding.stanford.edu' target='_blank'>Folding</a> for?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Who'd have thought that having a chewy centre would be a beneficial evolutionary trait?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Who'd have thought that an admin had a sense of humour? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> (I really hope this won't be a repeat of the last time I joked with an admin. Bloody menstrual cycle jokes...)
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This particular dinosaur fossil was too big to lift and they reluctantly cracked a thighbone.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Who did? The dinosaur cracked a thighbone? Who's thighbone? I hope it was someone important...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Both the dinosaur and ostrich blood vessels contained small, reddish brown dots that could be the nuclei of the endothelial cells that line blood vessels.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If the cells they recovered were endothelial cells, then you would find the same cells in *any* multi-celled, organic specimen, that had a pulmonary system...
All this dinosaur thing is very good and all. But won't dinosaur be able to kill us in our thousands, until they stumble across me.
With me .22 air rifle.
Loaded with small PC screws...
CO2 powered grapeshot, motherf**ker... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Why? Becasue the protien structure of DNA starts breaking down on a time scale measured in thousands of year, far less than the 65 million plus since this t-rex happen to live. This means that even if there is soft tissue present, the chances of finding a suffciently intact bit of DNA is very small.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Isn't this what we've all been doing <a href='http://folding.stanford.edu' target='_blank'>Folding</a> for?
[ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Unfortunaly, no. My understanding of that program is that it desgined to help us understand how and why poteins fold. This is very different from dealing with a strand of DNA, the component proteins of which have been decaying for the last 65 million years. If the protiens are not there anymore, knowing how and why they might have folded is useless.