Windows Xp X64 Is Finaly Out

sheena_yanai · April 2005

<div class="IPBDescription">woot.... now i just need a.....athlon64</div> <a href='http://yanaishina.blogspot.com/2005/04/windows-xp-64-hit-japanese-shelfes.html' target='_blank'>yaaay</a>

Rellix · April 2005

Mmm wonder how much its gonna cost... thats when it reaches the UK....

sheena_yanai · April 2005

its about ....uhm... 143 EUR, 187 USD, 98 GBP in the oem version...and comes even with a floppy boot disk ..... who to hell still boots with floppy?

Liku · April 2005

I'm dumb so... can anyone tell me what this x64 stuff means?

sheena_yanai · April 2005

now you could theoreticly use the full potential of your athlon 64 processor (something a regular XP cant)... because XP64 fully supports them now .... the rest depends on the software you want to run i think...

Swiftspear · April 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Liku @ Apr 22 2005, 02:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I'm dumb so... can anyone tell me what this x64 stuff means?  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
If the current lunix 64bit OSes are any indication, it means you can now experiance the full power of your Athlon 64 processor! Which basicly results in slightly lower preformance on ever peice of 32 bit software you install (Which is EVERY peice of software you are ever likely to install, YAY!)

Expect to see some cool 64 bit software that can really use the extra potential of optimized 64 bit code in the future, but for the time it is pretty much totally useless.

Theoretically 64 bit games could be made to run almost twice as fast, but don't expect to see any 64 bit games for a long while (at least until intel has a personal computer model 64 bit CPU out and not just AMD I would say)

todd1Ok · April 2005

lol. ill be going from x83 straight to the cell, thank you very much.

Mad_Man · April 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sheena yanai @ Apr 22 2005, 02:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> its about ....uhm... 143 EUR, 187 USD, 98 GBP in the oem version...and comes even with a floppy boot disk ..... who to hell still boots with floppy?  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Hey hey, on my old computer that is now a server I boot with a floppy

Venmoch · April 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (todd1Ok @ Apr 22 2005, 11:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> lol. ill be going from x83 straight to the cell, thank you very much.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Except Sony have said they don't want Microsoft getting anywhere near the cell.

TychoCelchuuu · April 2005

I thought XP x64 was free if you had XP Pro? Gah. Not like it matters since I'm not upgrading to 64 bit anytime soon, but when I do I thought all I needed to do was download some stuff and BANG super OS.

Private_Coleman · April 2005

Nothing from microsoft will ever = superOS.

sheena_yanai · April 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Private Coleman @ Apr 22 2005, 09:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Nothing from microsoft will ever = superOS. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
but still better than no os to run games, apps and stuff on...

Private_Coleman · April 2005

it still doesn't deserve the title super. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' />

sheena_yanai · April 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Private Coleman @ Apr 22 2005, 09:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> it still doesn't deserve the title super. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' />  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
who gave it the title super? its windows...and everyone knows that windows is poopie

Private_Coleman · April 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sheena yanai @ Apr 22 2005, 07:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Private Coleman @ Apr 22 2005, 09:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> it still doesn't deserve the title super. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
who gave it the title super? its windows...and everyone knows that windows is poopie </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Exactly.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I thought XP x64 was free if you had XP Pro? Gah. Not like it matters since I'm not upgrading to 64 bit anytime soon, but when I do I thought all I needed to do was download some stuff and BANG super OS.
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^^
No matter what you do it won't be super. EVER!

Cheez1 · April 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sheena yanai @ Apr 22 2005, 02:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> who to hell still boots with floppy?  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Well actually.... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />

monopolowa · April 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Apr 22 2005, 05:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Theoretically 64 bit games could be made to run almost twice as fast, but don't expect to see any 64 bit games for a long while (at least until intel has a personal computer model 64 bit CPU out and not just AMD I would say)  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
check out Far Cry; there's a 64 bit version in the works, and they were pretty much waiting for XP 64 to come out

im_lost · April 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mad Man @ Apr 22 2005, 04:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sheena yanai @ Apr 22 2005, 02:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> its about ....uhm... 143 EUR, 187 USD, 98 GBP in the oem version...and comes even with a floppy boot disk ..... who to hell still boots with floppy? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Hey hey, on my old computer that is now a server I boot with a floppy  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
I think a better way of phrasing that question would be, "Who has a computer that they boot from a floppy disk that they would even consider putting a 64 bit OS on?"

Rellix · April 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (monopolowa @ Apr 22 2005, 04:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Apr 22 2005, 05:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Theoretically 64 bit games could be made to run almost twice as fast, but don't expect to see any 64 bit games for a long while (at least until intel has a personal computer model 64 bit CPU out and not just AMD I would say) </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
check out Far Cry; there's a 64 bit version in the works, and they were pretty much waiting for XP 64 to come out  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Dont forget Stalker is being designed with a 64 Bit mode!

Cheez1 · April 2005

Yeah, if stalker ever comes OUT.

Rellix · April 2005

Its not the games thatl be the problem, all of your DRIVERS will need to be new 64 bit versions since they wont be dealing with a standard 32bit CPU - actualy im sure i read it on the XP64 Bit website but im not so sure anymore <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' />

Still we can over 4Gb of memory now, not that we need it...

Lt_Patch · April 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Liku @ Apr 22 2005, 07:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I'm dumb so... can anyone tell me what this x64 stuff means?  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Theoretically 64 bit games could be made to run almost twice as fast, but don't expect to see any 64 bit games for a long while (at least until intel has a personal computer model 64 bit CPU out and not just AMD I would say)</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>Lets sort this mess out then...

*Technical mode*
The advantages of having a 64-bit (64-b from now on) native OS means that programmers can finally target mainstream users with their advanced 64-bit programs. Various modelling programs have been running off of 64-bit bases every since the first 64-b CPU's came out. The change from 32-b to 64-b means that a program can now address with a maximum length of 2^64 (18,446,744,073,709,551,616) characters, as opposed to (4,294,967,296). What this means in terms to us as gamers, means that XP's memory limit is now raised from 4GB, to (theoretically) 18,446,744 TB of RAM. This effect is down to the maximum addressable length, which has increased dramatically.

The change from 32-b games to 64-b games *DOES NOT* mean that the games will run twice as fast, but it means that the calculations can be more complex, this can have a massive effect on the real-time physics core that is being developed at the moment, as the potential physics effects can be theoretically 3 million times longer (forgive the approximate maths, but my calculator gives back a result of "1" when told to divide them against each other...)...
*/Technical Mode*

Personally, I am sticking to my x32 build of XP, seeing as there is not performance increase, and most applications actually show a performance decrease, becuase they all will need to run in x32 compatibility mode...

Shoebox · April 2005

i might get it just to see what its like.

Mad_Man · April 2005

Actually I found this out yester day that the new CPU that I got the new computer is 64 bit, and I didn’t even notice. So I guess that means I have the ability to upgrade to 64 bit stuff when it’s more main steam.

funbags · April 2005

floppy discs have saved my **** so many times. It's good for school things.

Mad_Man · April 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (funbags @ Apr 24 2005, 01:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> floppy discs have saved my **** so many times. It's good for school things.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Heh, talking about school. Mine doesnt even have floppy drive any more on the computers its all dvd drives

Quaunaut · April 2005

So if you have a Athlon 64, must you run 64b windows? Or can you still run ol' 32bit?

im_lost · April 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (funbags @ Apr 24 2005, 11:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> floppy discs have saved my **** so many times. It's good for school things.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
You couldn't have used a USB drive or sent the files through email?

Vahn_Paktu · April 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Apr 24 2005, 01:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> So if you have a Athlon 64, must you run 64b windows? Or can you still run ol' 32bit? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
It works with 32 bit.

Faust · April 2005

I still wonder why no one has mentioned this, but currently, if you go to microsoft's website, and head the the section devoted to Windows XP Pro X64, they claim it is still in development....

Guess they want to see how well it will sell/perform in asian markets first.

I noticed someone mentioned something along the lines of how 64-bit software will not be seriously developed till intel releases consumer-end 64-bit compliant cpu's...

Well, there supposed to be released in the second quarter of this year. All 6-series pentium CPU's will support EMT64 (Intel's 64-bit platform). We should also see the new Pentium Dual-core CPU's this quarter as well.

From what I have already read of WinXP Pro X64, it will initially support up to <b>two multi-core CPU's</b>, up to <b>128GB of RAM</b>, and up to <b>16 Terabytes of Virtual Memory!</b>

I was just reading from the latest issue of Maximum PC that Users who hold a vaild license of Win XP Pro will be able to trade in their 32-bit lisence for a 64-bit one via an authentication process on microsoft's website... absolutely free!

The downside is that you will have to own a copy of Win XP Pro, if you have home, you will first have to upgrade to pro. Further more, if your version of win XP Pro (OEM) came with your computer (ie. Prefab machine: ie. HP, compaq, Dell), you will have to contact the manufacterer of the PC and see if they are participating in the program.

All in all I am quite excited, and I am anticapating more and more, when this gets released into North America, and techies like us who work in technical publications get to toy with the OS, and we really get to see what kind of performance difference you will see when you are running a 64-bit app, on a 64-bit OS (with 64 bit drivers), on a 64-bit machine, compared to a 32-bit version of the same app on on a 32-bit version of the OS, on the 64-bit rig.

I also would like to see a similar comparison on how bad a performance hit you will take running a 32-bit app on a 64-bit OS, compared to the same app running on a 32-bit OS

Invader_Scoot · April 2005

As awesome as some of the stuff is, I still think there will be compatibility issues, especially when it comes to installing drivers.

Windows Xp X64 Is Finaly Out

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