What Is Really Out There...
MistenTH
Join Date: 2003-01-01 Member: 11706Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
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Being a NS fanatic, this sort of touched a nerve in me. See what you guys think.
Being a NS fanatic, this sort of touched a nerve in me. See what you guys think.
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the nasa wants to trick you, RUN FOR YOUR LIFE
btw: plz move to ot? thanks
Also, the whole "we were wrong" crap over and over - do they even have an ounce of proof to support their world? Probably not, the show is just fancy animation of silly looking animials killing eachother for ratings.
Also, the whole "we were wrong" crap over and over - do they even have an ounce of proof to support their world? Probably not, the show is just fancy animation of silly looking animials killing eachother for ratings. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
qft!
I believe they were just bored =)
Off Topic Post.
It turned into a discussion about evolution against religion.
If this one doesn't get locked, well.. gg with that.
even worse: Most of thoose have a skeleton, interestring in earths evolution is that verberates have been the weakest for millins of years.
It needed 2 mass extinctions to kill most of the mollusks (snails) and arthopods (insekts) that have ben dominant till then, and still are in variety.
If we find extraterestrical life, chances might be high that its like insects and not like verberates.
<b>Chances are low that we will ever find extraterestrical intelligence</b>
<b>We are propably the first ones in our galaxy</b>:
Our measured age of the universe (13,7 billion Years), our galaxy (13,6 billion), solar system (4,6 billion) and Planet (4,5 billion) brings us to the idea that there is a very high propability that we are the first ones, that developed as far as us, in our galaxy just by measuring how long it takes to produce enough heavy materials by supernovas at one spot.
Another bad news is; <b>our galaxy is pretty small</b> compared to average galaxies, its chances to make a solar system and keep it stable long enough to develope life like ours on earth ONCE is ~ 50% or less, wich means EARTH has already ben really lucky for a long time.
<b>Other galaxies are far out</b>:
The speed of light (in vacuum) is the highest possible speed of transmitting information, 1/10 of light speed speed is propably the highest realistic (econopicaly and physically) speed a space ship might reach. Apart from the required energy a space ship that moves that fast has many problems: The funniest one is that time inside of it goes WAY slower than at home. That makes comunication between the space ship and a home base obsolent (10 astronaut years equal ~1000 planet years).
<b>Even Intergalactic comunication is obsolent</b>
Our neighbour galaxy (andromeda) and most other closer ones are 2,8 million light years away from us, asking "it" a question would need 5,6 million years to get an answere. (and an incredible amount of energy for many years, just for a "beep" that might not ben heared)
Thats our "local group" and its relatively tiny compared to other galaxy groups.
The next "virgo heap" of galaxies is 65 light years faw away (and 9 million light years wide).
I just want to say that you cant wait for an answere when you comuniate with other galaxies, so intergalactic comunication is impossible, because it just takes <i>way too much time</i>
If there is ONE lifeform that developed space travel and colonizing of other solar systems in a galaxy as big as ours it would just need ~ 10 billion more years to colonize our whole galaxy (2,5 for 1/4th) and if it would find aliens on another planet it might be essential to take it over (invade it) because <b>suns dont life forever</b> and resources are limited.
<b>No alien invasions seen yet</b> , so:
Very high propability that we are the first ones and only ones in our galaxy, there might be a maximum of ~6 different life forms that might develope simultanuously and met peacefully each other in our galaxy, not more, because if there would be more we would already have met one of them and ben invaded by them.
<b>but theres the galactic zoo:</b>
The idea is that a space traveling civilization that mets another non space traveling civilizazion just overserves it without any interaction, like a zoo animal.
Another idea is that the stronger civilization just takes over the weaker ones land like indians or aztecs.
<b>finally</b>
The universe in unelieveable huge, there might be unvelieveable many galaxies that developed life, some bigger ones might even contain more than one alien species, but comunication or traveling from one galaxy to another just takes too long so they might never ever hear from each other and <b>the question if we are alone will be pretty much unanswered for the next 10-100 million years</b> so <b>it doesnt really matter much if we are the first and only lifeform of the universe</b> for a long time.
<b>The good news</b>
Our neighbour galaxy, Andromeda, is pretty big and the virgo heap has many simular ones, there is a relatively high propability that one of them has extra terestrical life on it.
And all of them are geting closer to each other till they collide (its more like melting together).
But till then our Sun and Earh and other solar colonies would be gone for a long time and our civilisation, if still exsisting and not nuked out self, changed and spread over our galaxy.
Off Topic Post.
It turned into a discussion about evolution against religion.
If this one doesn't get locked, well.. gg with that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
It. didn't. get. locked. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
What's up with that anyway? You'd think the aliens would've reached the limit of the knowledge you can acquire with anal probing by now.
Just view it as a really big what if.
However, there is an unfortunate amount of human arrogance, IMO. Especially in the field of science.
Off Topic Post.
It turned into a discussion about evolution against religion.
If this one doesn't get locked, well.. gg with that. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It. didn't. get. locked. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wasn't talking about the thread i mentioned. I was talking about this one.. since it seems to be off-topic.
Off Topic Post.
It turned into a discussion about evolution against religion.
If this one doesn't get locked, well.. gg with that. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It. didn't. get. locked. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wasn't talking about the thread i mentioned. I was talking about this one.. since it seems to be off-topic. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That thread didn't really turn into an evolution vs. religion thread either. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
DNA is a bi-product of evolution, not vice-versa.
What's up with that anyway? You'd think the aliens would've reached the limit of the knowledge you can acquire with anal probing by now. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Presuming we're talking about a species that has mastered space travel, why do they even <i>want</i> to know about our arses? If I met an alien, I probably wouldn't stick a rod up its butt.
DNA is a bi-product of evolution, not vice-versa. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, DNA just happens to be how organisms on this planet pass on the information necessary to build another of their kind. On other planets, the chosen messenger could be RNA, or some kind of undiscovered protein, or something completely foreign. Each of these could change reproduction: maybe all organisms are asexual, or maybe 3/4 of the "genes" come from the "mother", or maybe intercourse requires 4 or 5 or 10 partners in order to create a viable embryo. Any of these would change the mechanics of evolution greatly. Also, what's with all of the 4-legged creatures? Instead of bilateral symmetry, what if the creatures were radially symmetrical, like starfish. Heck, why are we limiting ourselves to solid creatures here? A liquid, or a gas...what's to prevent a bunch of air molecules from linking together and forming electric pathways reminiscent of our brains, and then having the gas cloud move itself around, assimilating other clouds of similar gas....the possibilities are endless, and more likely than not real aliens would be more dissimilar to Earth creatures than similar.
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It may sound hard to beleve, but if you look up how much resources we use in a day and how many are left on Earth. This all may be true.
My 2 cents.
It may sound hard to beleve, but if you look up how much resources we use in a day and how many are left on Earth. This all may be true.
My 2 cents. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If a space faring race found came across our solar system, they might as well bypass it because of the lack of resources, with their technology they could probably notice the really large planets we are already discovering at nearby stars, those would be more valuable since they would probably contain lots and lots of hydrogen, and you could also take resources from their moons. A gas planet also would likely consist of a large amount of hydrogen. And an alien race wasting energy attacking earth is highly unlikely they would probably be have enough technology to take what they want without even considering us a major threat. This is of course if they weren't a parasistic race, which would mean, they also wouldn't attack earth with lasers, they would study us and try to turn us into slaves or something similar.
Aliens invading is probably the least likely, since recklessly attacking is usually weeded out by natural selection since it is an unrewarding behavior. Lions didn't get where they were by attacking flies and ants.
It may sound hard to beleve, but if you look up how much resources we use in a day and how many are left on Earth. This all may be true.
My 2 cents. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Where the hell did this post come from? What does this have to do with anything that's been said in this thread? Oh, and you're preaching to the wrong crowd; there are relatively few "kids" here that ignorant about energy consumption and such. Some people may not think the situation is as dire as you seem to, but there are very few completely ignorant people on these boards.
still.... sods law says it'll end up like star trek and 90% of species will look like people with cheap makeup jobs, and the other 10% will eat people and need killing.... preferably by wrestling its multi-tenticled form to the ground with a starship captain (<3 kirk)