Natural Selection

Hydra_GoliathHydra_Goliath Join Date: 2005-05-09 Member: 51251Members
Shouldn't Natural Selection go source?
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  • PvtBonesPvtBones Join Date: 2004-04-25 Member: 28187Members
    edited May 2005
    *sigh*

    The NS development team is currently looking into doing a Source version of NS, in several interviews with flayra, he has stated there will most like be (if not 100% confirmation) a Natural Selection: Source. there is no current date when it will be released.

    Next time use the search button, it is a valuable tool.
  • aeroripperaeroripper Join Date: 2005-02-25 Member: 42471NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    edited May 2005
    Least he phrased it differently than all the other newbies do.

    "omg they should make this half-life2 ololololo!!!!11111"

    I still don't understand why they can't just create a sticky in yellow\red letters that reads "NS: Source Information" or something similar


    but its not my forum :-/ <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Garet_JaxGaret_Jax Join Date: 2003-02-23 Member: 13870Members, Constellation
    when will my conmando give me ns;sauce?
  • TheJimTheJim Join Date: 2005-01-09 Member: 34080Members, Constellation
    edited May 2005
    I predict......


    <span style='color:red'>****Locked****</span>

    FTW
  • keep_it_Gangstakeep_it_Gangsta Join Date: 2003-06-23 Member: 17632Members
    well if they havnt yet started the work, dont expect it for a LONG time.
  • theclamtheclam Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members
    They have started the work. I just don't know if they're on the programming/art work, or the design work.
  • aeroripperaeroripper Join Date: 2005-02-25 Member: 42471NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    edited May 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-keep it Gangsta+May 13 2005, 04:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (keep it Gangsta @ May 13 2005, 04:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well if they havnt yet started the work, dont expect it for a LONG time. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ^^^ QFT

    my guess is they'be probably made a SMALL start on the artwork but nothing big.

    I wouldn't expect any real progress to start being made until they release 3.1, whenever that may be :-/
  • surprisesurprise Join Date: 2003-01-16 Member: 12382Members, Constellation
    my guess would be they organize and structure what and when to do what...

    organization is important..
  • daidalosdaidalos Join Date: 2004-05-23 Member: 28854Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-aeroripper+May 14 2005, 12:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (aeroripper @ May 14 2005, 12:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> my guess is they'be probably made a SMALL start on the artwork but nothing big.
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    I don't get it. They have the whole concept of the game, they just have to port it over to source? Why would they do new concepts and arworks? I don't think it is needed, or am I wrong? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • BackstaberBackstaber Join Date: 2003-06-11 Member: 17263Members
    To make it look better and perform better prehaps? Maybe they want to make it all over again because of the new options they can use now? I don't think the team would want to just port it over when they can make the game so much better if they remake it on the new engine.
  • aeroripperaeroripper Join Date: 2005-02-25 Member: 42471NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    edited May 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-daidalos+May 13 2005, 04:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (daidalos @ May 13 2005, 04:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-aeroripper+May 14 2005, 12:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (aeroripper @ May 14 2005, 12:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> my guess is they'be probably made a SMALL start on the artwork but nothing big.
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    I don't get it. They have the whole concept of the game, they just have to port it over to source? Why would they do new concepts and arworks? I don't think it is needed, or am I wrong? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    They have to re-make the artwork because it is to low-quality to include in the Source version (it would look crappy).

    Honestly i don't know why their already worrying about new features rather than updating all the textures\models\skins\animations\ etc... for the new version. That should be more than enough work, almost like doing a whole new game.

    Once all that is done and its working good on source engine, THEN they should start thinking about new features.

    EDIT: Another option they could do just to get it done sooner is "port" as much of it they can over to source the way it is. Then update with patches after that. Think HL: Source ... although i'm sure a lot of the levels would have to be re-lit and physics would have to be taken into consideration. Still a pretty big task.
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Backstaber+May 13 2005, 07:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Backstaber @ May 13 2005, 07:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> To make it look better and perform better prehaps? Maybe they want to make it all over again because of the new options they can use now? I don't think the team would want to just port it over when they can make the game so much better if they remake it on the new engine. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That sure is a kool avatar Backstaber. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Omega_DeathOmega_Death Sith apprentice to a box of Cereal Join Date: 2003-08-06 Member: 19042Members
    I just hope they don't add those annoying barrels to maps, wouldn't you love it as a skulk running away and you bounce off a barrel which stops you dead in your tracks. Not to mention dead anyway.

    OH BTW IBTL!
  • HeliocentricHeliocentric Join Date: 2005-04-24 Member: 49650Members
    edited May 2005
    <a href='http://fme.sincerethought.org/gallery/albums/album62/NS_Apple_sauce_making_2_Nov_2002_photo_MVC.sized.jpg' target='_blank'>NS: Sauce</a>
    if you look in the background you'll see that vehicles have been included as has the much requested bascket ball chamber for the aliens.
  • PvtBonesPvtBones Join Date: 2004-04-25 Member: 28187Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Heliocentric+May 13 2005, 08:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Heliocentric @ May 13 2005, 08:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <a href='http://fme.sincerethought.org/gallery/albums/album62/NS_Apple_sauce_making_2_Nov_2002_photo_MVC.sized.jpg' target='_blank'>NS: Sauce</a>
    if you look in the background you'll see that vehicles have been included as has the much requested bascket ball chamber for the aliens. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    OMG OMG that 0N0S is about to eat those ladies!
  • DrummerDrummer Join Date: 2004-02-18 Member: 26654Members
    i have this to say about all threads asking about NS:Source...
  • daidalosdaidalos Join Date: 2004-05-23 Member: 28854Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-aeroripper+May 14 2005, 01:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (aeroripper @ May 14 2005, 01:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> They have to re-make the artwork because it is to low-quality to include in the Source version (it would look crappy).

    Honestly i don't know why their already worrying about new features rather than updating all the textures\models\skins\animations\ etc... for the new version. That should be more than enough work, almost like doing a whole new game.

    Once all that is done and its working good on source engine, THEN they should start thinking about new features.

    EDIT: Another option they could do just to get it done sooner is "port" as much of it they can over to source the way it is. Then update with patches after that. Think HL: Source ... although i'm sure a lot of the levels would have to be re-lit and physics would have to be taken into consideration. Still a pretty big task. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Wait a minute. That is an artwork. You actually have to draw it with penciles and stuff so you can't say it is low quality. Look at the concepts on the main page. I think they look pretty good and the gorge looks actually quiet dangerous but when they model the characters for the game they have to change the quality because the hl1 enginge models are low quality.
    If you would make the game for source, you would use just the same concepts and artworks, just make it better than they are in hl1.

    I don't have an idea about that, maybe you are right.
  • MrKNifeyMrKNifey Join Date: 2003-06-25 Member: 17668Members
    I remember in an interview that they are porting this to Source. What they're planning to do IIRC, is just a straight port to get a working version onto the Source engine first, and then they start working on the artwork and other media.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    edited May 2005
    In short: We are porting to Source, and have begun work on it.

    Slightly more elaborate: We have determined that the big bottleneck will indeed be the art assets (textures, models, animations, etc.). Our first preliminary research has been concluded - we now have a rough idea of what has to be redone in how much detail. Thus begins the conception of single items - asking ourselves questions such as what additional details we should integrate into the new marine model, and so on.
    So, as you can see, it's getting nearer, but still a long way off.
  • BreakthroughBreakthrough Texture Artist (ns_prometheus) Join Date: 2005-03-27 Member: 46620Members, Constellation
    <b>Nemesis Zero</b>, do you have a rough estimate as to when any beta will be available to the public? Are you going to do something similar to the Natural Selection 3 betas, then move to a final release?

    I'm happy with the current NS, any new one will be a huge change, so I'm expecting it to take a year or two at least.
  • BackstaberBackstaber Join Date: 2003-06-11 Member: 17263Members
    I'd be completely fine with it takeing a year or two. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • aeroripperaeroripper Join Date: 2005-02-25 Member: 42471NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Wait a minute. That is an artwork. You actually have to draw it with penciles and stuff so you can't say it is low quality. Look at the concepts on the main page. I think they look pretty good and the gorge looks actually quiet dangerous but when they model the characters for the game they have to change the quality because the hl1 enginge models are low quality.
    If you would make the game for source, you would use just the same concepts and artworks, just make it better than they are in hl1.

    I don't have an idea about that, maybe you are right. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    by artwork i am referring to the modeling\texturing part not the concepts
  • Garet_JaxGaret_Jax Join Date: 2003-02-23 Member: 13870Members, Constellation
    If I remember correctly, at the start of the year Flayra said he expected NS:S to go beta in the Summer. He also said that they will be releasing patches more often (but with less content), so NS:S won't die like NS did over chrstmas 2004.

    I think, realistically, we will have to wait until xmas 2005 (or maybe October 31st 2005- it would be a nice way to mark NS's 3rd birthday).
  • KhaimKhaim Join Date: 2002-06-28 Member: 841Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Breakthrough+May 15 2005, 10:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Breakthrough @ May 15 2005, 10:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <b>Nemesis Zero</b>, do you have a rough estimate as to when any beta will be available to the public? Are you going to do something similar to the Natural Selection 3 betas, then move to a final release?

    I'm happy with the current NS, any new one will be a huge change, so I'm expecting it to take a year or two at least. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I can't speak for the development team, but IMO I doubt any mod dev team would really want to do that on the first few builds. Once NS:S is not cripplingly buggy and has no more placeholders they'll probably release version 1.0, but this is just a guess...that's basicly what they did with NS:v1.0 I believe.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    I really can't speak of projected timeframes or scopes at the moment. There are just too many factors (some of them covered by NDAs) to consider.
  • douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    could you possibly tell us what has been done so far, and when work began on it?
  • KaliKali Join Date: 2002-07-01 Member: 858Members
    Read here for some information :

    <a href='http://www.pexgames.com/games/halflife/mods/naturalselection/interview/zunni/index.html.en' target='_blank'>http://www.pexgames.com/games/halflife/mod...i/index.html.en</a>
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-6john+May 15 2005, 04:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (6john @ May 15 2005, 04:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> could you possibly tell us what has been done so far, and when work began on it? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If his NDA is how it should be, no.

    My advice: stop obsessing over what the devs have done, when they did it, what they're doing right now...speculation will only make you anxious for the finished product, and you'll get answers when they want to give them, not when you ask for them.
  • LofungLofung Join Date: 2004-08-21 Member: 30757Members
    wow the thread is still open =)
  • CyberPitzCyberPitz Join Date: 2004-09-04 Member: 31301Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Lofung+May 17 2005, 12:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lofung @ May 17 2005, 12:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> wow the thread is still open =) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That's what I was thinking...maybe cause Nemesis Zero said something about research being done *or his lock button is borked.*
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