Battlefield 2 Stolex0rs The Ns Menux0rs

DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
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<div class="IPBDescription">o.O</div>So you've all already heard people going "omg omg BF2 stole the NS commandar!" (when in actuality it stole it from the same place NS did, TF2), but I ran across this shot today in the new Gamespot preview.

This is the new system they have to replace the Function key audio menus from previous BF games. You hold down a key and this menu pops up, and you can click each option:

<img src='http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/156/reviews/920407_20050606_screen025.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

Now where have I seen that before... :P
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  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Wow, thats so blatant its amazing.
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  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    My Battlefield fanboy days ended with the first one really. Unless this can capture the same spirit, I don't know.
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  • Quantum_MooseQuantum_Moose Join Date: 2005-03-05 Member: 43643Members
    Boredom rears its ugly head on a whatever day this is night.
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  • MedHeadMedHead Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11115Members, Constellation
    Is Natural Selection really the first game to have a heads-up mouse controlled interface?
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  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Jun 6 2005, 11:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Jun 6 2005, 11:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Is Natural Selection really the first game to have a heads-up mouse controlled interface? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    One of it's style, yes.

    Not to mention, its obvious BF2 is implementing it EXACTLY like NS is.

    ...looks like EA doesn't want to rock the boat, just steal it
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  • ZelZel Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12861Members
    maybe it's a good idea and lots of places will use it or come up with it on their own. It's not that complicated to have a mouse driven menu you know...
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  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    If NS was the first game to use that, Flayra should have patented it. Software patents FTW! (Not)

    It's not as if it's a bad thing this is being used, it's usefull, almost cyber ergonoic with how wasy it is to use, it's agood idea and I'd like to see it in more games.
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  • SoulSkorpionSoulSkorpion Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 423Members
    edited June 2005
    It's all right - Perfect Dark stole it first. So did Sacrifice. Stole it, in fact, before NS was even around <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    [edit]In fact, it looks a <i>lot</i> closer to Perfect Dark's weapon select scheme than it does to NS's menu system (which itself resembles Sacrifice's interface quite closely, except that it uses text rather than symbols)[/edit]
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  • Quantum_MooseQuantum_Moose Join Date: 2005-03-05 Member: 43643Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-SoulSkorpion+Jun 7 2005, 01:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SoulSkorpion @ Jun 7 2005, 01:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's all right - Perfect Dark stole it first. So did Sacrifice. Stole it, in fact, before NS was even around <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    [edit]In fact, it looks a <i>lot</i> closer to Perfect Dark's weapon select scheme than it does to NS's menu system (which itself resembles Sacrifice's interface quite closely, except that it uses text rather than symbols)[/edit] <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well thats obvious time hax.
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  • DY357LXDY357LX Playing since day 1. Still can&#39;t Comm. England Join Date: 2002-10-27 Member: 1651Members, Constellation
    Turok was released before Perfect Dark on the N64 and Turok had a pop-up menu.
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  • obuhobuh Not Quite Smart at NS Join Date: 2003-03-31 Member: 15072Members, Constellation
    You need glasses.
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  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Jun 7 2005, 08:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Jun 7 2005, 08:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Jun 6 2005, 11:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Jun 6 2005, 11:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Is Natural Selection really the first game to have a heads-up mouse controlled interface? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    One of it's style, yes.

    Not to mention, its obvious BF2 is implementing it EXACTLY like NS is.

    ...looks like EA doesn't want to rock the boat, just steal it <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes they manage to mess it up. In the heat of combat, do you think it's easy to select, say "repair orders" instead of "need supplies"? I manage to do anything on the ns menu with a breeze, and I don't think of the precision needed between a slight angle or a straight line.


    And "attack" in the bright center makes me not want to buy this game <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • AbraAbra Would you kindly Join Date: 2003-08-17 Member: 19870Members
    The big bright ATTACK command in the middle, ah, GO GO US ARMY!
    Kinda shows the priority of things <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • ScytheScythe Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 46NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation, Reinforced - Silver
    Pie menus have been around for ages and ages. No-one stole anything from anyone. Independence War 1 and 2 had them too.

    --Scythe--
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  • Black_ViperBlack_Viper Join Date: 2003-12-08 Member: 24157Members
    Natural Selection has Pie menus...


    Anyway great find, cant wait to install this one!!!
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  • Status_QuoStatus_Quo Join Date: 2004-01-30 Member: 25749Members
    I much preferred the F1-8 keys over the NS pop-up menu, actually. It wasn't in the way as much, and once you learned where stuff was, it was much faster and could be done while doing something else (such as, you know, moving, looking around, shooting and other pointless stuff).
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  • SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members
    I agree; I never found it any trouble to tap a couple of F keys to get what I wanted. The pie menu blocks the screen and is fiddly.

    I hope there's an option to change it to F key mode.
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  • KungFuSquirrelKungFuSquirrel Basher of Muttons Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 103Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Jun 7 2005, 01:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Jun 7 2005, 01:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Jun 6 2005, 11:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Jun 6 2005, 11:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Is Natural Selection really the first game to have a heads-up mouse controlled interface? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    One of it's style, yes.

    Not to mention, its obvious BF2 is implementing it EXACTLY like NS is.

    ...looks like EA doesn't want to rock the boat, just steal it <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Blah. There's plenty of menus designed like this in games. It's a quick and convenient setup that works well. If they had a tab for evolving, I'd say maybe there'd be an argument.

    Besides, Maya had it first anyway, and a hell of a lot more intricately set up than any of these examples.
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  • Black_ViperBlack_Viper Join Date: 2003-12-08 Member: 24157Members
    Doesnt one of those RTS games have pop-up pie menus? If not it'll make them easyer... But Ya, those NS pop-up pie menus get in the way all to often.
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  • SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members
    Sacrifice did, IIRC (and I think someone mentioned it), but it was a hell of a lot quicker to learn and use the hotkeys.
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  • MausMaus Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5599Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Jun 6 2005, 11:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Jun 6 2005, 11:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Now where have I seen that before... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Swat3? Rainbow Six? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    ooh, just saw scythe's post. I-War too.
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  • SentrySteveSentrySteve .txt Join Date: 2002-03-09 Member: 290Members, Constellation
    Yeah having a menu pop up when you hit a mouse button is pretty unquie. It's not like Raven Shield or Republic Commando have it...
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  • UKchaosUKchaos Join Date: 2002-08-10 Member: 1132Members
    Hhaha, the ns team is on thin ice if they want to sue anyone over copying ideas/interface design <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    edited June 2005
    Not to mention that NS isn't derivative AT ALL... The Onos devour is in no way inspired by WC3's kodo beast or anything...
    And wait... wall-running, leaping, biting aliens? We need Ripley, people!

    There's a notable difference between borrowing and stealing ideas.
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  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Jun 7 2005, 01:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jun 7 2005, 01:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> There's a notable difference between borrowing and stealing ideas. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes. It depends on whether we can make, or lose money as a result of it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • TrevelyanTrevelyan Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14834Members
    edited June 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Not to mention that NS isn't derivative AT ALL... The Onos devour is in no way inspired by WC3's kodo beast or anything...
    And wait... wall-running, leaping, biting aliens? We need Ripley, people!

    There's a notable difference between borrowing and stealing ideas.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    what more can strange alien creatures that are hostile to humanoids do in retaliation to their presense?

    <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif' /><!--endemo--> *lick* <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo--> - ewww


    <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • Status_QuoStatus_Quo Join Date: 2004-01-30 Member: 25749Members
    Yes, NS isn't exactly 100% unique either. A fast, small, inexpensive zergli... er, I mean skulk? A unit that can use a cloud that reduce damage for everything inside it and another cloud that reduces health? A big, slow unit that can take a lot of damage and can devour enemies? Yeah, I've never seen any of that before. If people are going to sue others for stealing ideas, I don't think there's a developer in the world that would be safe.

    I don't remember how the saying goes, but it's something like: a bad developer copy, an okay one imitate, a good one borrow.
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  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Trevelyan+Jun 7 2005, 04:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan @ Jun 7 2005, 04:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->what more can strange alien creatures that are hostile to humanoids do in retaliation to their presense?

    <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif' /><!--endemo--> *lick*  <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->  - ewww


    <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Why not? Call the attack "charm":

    *lick*
    "Aww, the cute widdle doggy, I can't hurt it!"
    *back<s>stab</s>chomp*
    <obligatory lack-of-spleen-reference>
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  • TrevelyanTrevelyan Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14834Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Jun 7 2005, 09:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jun 7 2005, 09:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    Why not? Call the attack "charm":

    *lick*
    "Aww, the cute widdle doggy, I can't hurt it!"
    *back<s>stab</s>chomp*
    <obligatory lack-of-spleen-reference><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    "Charm"? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    How unoriginal... borrowing words from the english language to use in a game!! BE CREATIVE YOU HEATHEN!

    <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • DaJMastaDaJMasta Join Date: 2005-01-10 Member: 34750Members, Constellation
    I don't really see that much of a resemblance..... It dosen't seem to have any hierarchical structure, and has simmilar commands, which are really necissairy to have somewhere. It dosen't even look all that much like the NS ones.

    Lots of other programs use it though, a couple other games have simmilar pop-up menus, but the closest menu i've found is Maya's Marking Menus.
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