Sky once again is just repeating what is going on in my head.
Get out you evil devil <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I play violent videogames, therefore I am a bad person who will undoubtedly grow up to rampage through the streets with a minigun that shoots flaming chainsaws and karate kick people.
<!--QuoteBegin-Sky+Jun 9 2005, 01:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Jun 9 2005, 01:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Legionnaired+Jun 9 2005, 01:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Legionnaired @ Jun 9 2005, 01:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Oddly enough, I wrote my final paper this quarter on MMORPGs, and the rhetorical devices they employ to draw in and keep customers. The problem is, these same things can and often DO facilitate addiction to the games. For example, 20% of Everquest players consider Llorath to be their home; they commute to real-life every day. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Going out on a limb here, but I think that people who would consider an imaginary place to be their real home have more wrong upstairs than an addiction to videogames. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well think about it, when you spend 40 hours a week playing in that world, when you have a long list of 60+ friends that you spend all that time with, when you have a crafting busniess that you think about and manage with care, that <i>is</i> your life.
It's a natural, if unhealthy, response to something that you've allowed yourself to grow into.
As with drugs and/or alcohol, I think a better approach is a better relationship between parents and children. Open conversation and discussion help more than videogame abstinence ever could. The same is true with sex. Parents that simply say, "Don't have sex." are just asking for their kid to experiment. Children need information and guidance, not just rules. Rules should be thoroughly explained.
It always bothers me when parents say, "Because we say so." That's no kind of an answer - that sort of statement promotes distance and disobedience.
Parents SHOULD pay more attention to what their kids are playing / reading / watching. And, I think that video game content ratings should be enforced and monitored by parents.
Anything can become an addiction, including video games. So, I see the MAVAV's point. Awareness should be spread but video games aren't the problem - broken communication lines between parents and children is the real issue here.
MAVAV may not be real, but that doesn't mean there aren't some <a href='http://www.gamearchive.com/General/Articles/ClassicNews/1982/MacNeil12-29-82.htm' target='_blank'>crazy people</a> out there.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Critics of arcade games say students are squandering their allowance and lunch money, playing hooky from school and consorting with drug pushers. One critic has called shopping-mall video arcades the pool halls of the '80s. Last night in Miami, police shot and wounded a black youth in a video arcade setting off riots and violence that continued today. Beyond the arcades, however, <b>critics say games like Pac-Man and Space Invaders breed antisocial behavior and violence</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In a related story, I'm sueing Flayra for the rhino who gored me when I tried knifing him <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Holy God....people, MAVAV is FAKE! FAKE! FAKE! THE GUY SET IT UP AS A HOAX, TO SEE HOW QUICKLY INFORMATION SPREADS ON THE INTERNET, AND TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD FALL FOR IT. Arguing information you find on that site is pointless, rather, argue about 1) why the information spread so rapidly, or 2) other anti-gamer sites you have seen/ stories you have heard.
<!--QuoteBegin-Sky+Jun 9 2005, 09:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Jun 9 2005, 09:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Holy God....people, MAVAV is FAKE! FAKE! FAKE! THE GUY SET IT UP AS A HOAX, TO SEE HOW QUICKLY INFORMATION SPREADS ON THE INTERNET, AND TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD FALL FOR IT. Arguing information you find on that site is pointless, rather, argue about 1) why the information spread so rapidly, or 2) other anti-gamer sites you have seen/ stories you have heard. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well it looks real enough... I thought it was real. Anyway, someone should edit the front page and let people know it's a hoax. Otherwise, new people are going to do the same thing that Twisted and I have.
~ DarkATi
<span style='color:red'>Sirus: It is your responsibility to read <i>all</i> posts prior to hitting the reply button. Please see the above sticky, consider this a notice for now.</span>
And that is why you read the thread before posting. It's been noted to be fake in multiple posts, twice by Spooge; he even posted the quote from the website of the guy that faked it.
<!--QuoteBegin-Sky+Jun 9 2005, 09:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Jun 9 2005, 09:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Holy God....people, MAVAV is FAKE! FAKE! FAKE! THE GUY SET IT UP AS A HOAX, TO SEE HOW QUICKLY INFORMATION SPREADS ON THE INTERNET, AND TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD FALL FOR IT. Arguing information you find on that site is pointless, rather, argue about 1) why the information spread so rapidly, or 2) other anti-gamer sites you have seen/ stories you have heard. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> IT IS REAL...like santa claus...isnt he?
Everything in your enviroment can have an effect on you. Its up to the parents to have the main most effect on their children.
I wonder how many kids last name would be nelly or ozzy or snoop if we all kids had to switch their last name to the thing which had the most impact on their life.
We should have this discussion not with video games though, but with rap music or just music in general <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> THAT on the other hand...ive seen brainwash kids.
Im just curious how many people have actually dreamed in video game, not you playing the game but in the game itself? I have and it was wierd.
heh it reminds me of something Mark of ConsumptionJunction.com once said
"Oh right the columbine theory, thats right, blame the guns, the music, the videogames hell anything other than there are a bunch of **** poor parents raising **** kids" (note YES I KNOW THE SITE IS SATIRE SO DONT CHICKITY CHECK ME), there still are parents who believe that crap cough cough religious right cough cough.
That's enough about MAVAV being a hoax, any post involving it being hoax or recognizing it as legit will have the offending part deleted, and the poster will be warned then temp banned if it happens again. It's no longer relevant, and I have edited the original post to reflect this. Please, feel free to continue discussing anti-gaming in general.
That'd be a fun project to work on. I can hear the guy laughing as he frekkin typed it all. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
On a side note... I find MMORPGs interesting. People say gamers "leaving" the real world and enjoying a virtual world isn't healthy... but what do people prefering some imaginary world over something real have to say about the real world? Real Life sucks... thats what it says. Non-gamers suck. Take a look at the discussion forum topics. "Blah blah blah religion blah blah nationalism blah blah we're better then you blahrgle." It seems all that stuff drives people apart... yet games bring people together. at least thats how I've expirienced it.
I killed the matrixy thingy Trev, sorry. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
On that note, I do not see why everyone is so quick to blame videogames for having people not having social skills.
Like sky said if someone spends forty hours a week playing a video game, there really isn't anything wrong with them, it is up to them to decide if it is real or not. Who knows, maybe their life really sucks and its a very fun and easy way to escape the crap they have to deal with all the time.
I have stated before and I will again, all people have their passions, and while people participate in these passions they will zone off and just enjoy what they are doing. Some people, it is driving, reading, flying, kniting, cleaning, and etc.
No one has the right to take away the passions that someone enjoys while they are not taking care of their "real life". That is just blantantly ignorant of peoples hobbies.
Change, and the uncertainty it brings, has always been a source of concern and fear, and our situation is no different. In my mind, it's not much more than a possible shift in the norms, as it's becoming more and more clear to me that relativity is a very powerful concept.
Everything's relative: time, space, even moral values and socially accepted behavior. For example, in Japanese culture, "drunk" means quiet and reserved, as opposed to our abnoxious, destructive drunken antics. So, when we talk about the "right" kinds of behavior in people, does that really mean that growing up as a complete extrovert, being captain of the team, being popular, graduating, and joining life as a productive member of society is "healthy," and the "right" way? Or does it simply mean that it's relatively chosen as our norm?
Looking back through history, we find that we're no strangers to the outcast ones who "break the mold," so to speak. In fact, many of the better contributors to the arts and sciences were even more recluse that those gamers who would be branded "unhealthy potmarks on an otherwise beautiful community" because some don't understand what makes these outcasts tick.
Anyway, that's a rabbit trail. In the end, bet on survival of the fittest.
I am a gamer, and a bad, bad man. <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> muhaha!
<!--QuoteBegin-Legionnaired+Jun 9 2005, 02:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Legionnaired @ Jun 9 2005, 02:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Sky+Jun 9 2005, 01:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Jun 9 2005, 01:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Legionnaired+Jun 9 2005, 01:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Legionnaired @ Jun 9 2005, 01:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Oddly enough, I wrote my final paper this quarter on MMORPGs, and the rhetorical devices they employ to draw in and keep customers. The problem is, these same things can and often DO facilitate addiction to the games. For example, 20% of Everquest players consider Llorath to be their home; they commute to real-life every day. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Going out on a limb here, but I think that people who would consider an imaginary place to be their real home have more wrong upstairs than an addiction to videogames. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well think about it, when you spend 40 hours a week playing in that world, when you have a long list of 60+ friends that you spend all that time with, when you have a crafting busniess that you think about and manage with care, that <i>is</i> your life.
It's a natural, if unhealthy, response to something that you've allowed yourself to grow into. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> All I can say here is MMORGs are evil.
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Get out you evil devil <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Going out on a limb here, but I think that people who would consider an imaginary place to be their real home have more wrong upstairs than an addiction to videogames. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well think about it, when you spend 40 hours a week playing in that world, when you have a long list of 60+ friends that you spend all that time with, when you have a crafting busniess that you think about and manage with care, that <i>is</i> your life.
It's a natural, if unhealthy, response to something that you've allowed yourself to grow into.
I would assume there are other social factors that are causing them to be introverted more then just the game itself.
OH NO PLEASE NOT THE ECONOMY!
As with drugs and/or alcohol, I think a better approach is a better relationship between parents and children. Open conversation and discussion help more than videogame abstinence ever could. The same is true with sex. Parents that simply say, "Don't have sex." are just asking for their kid to experiment. Children need information and guidance, not just rules. Rules should be thoroughly explained.
It always bothers me when parents say, "Because we say so." That's no kind of an answer - that sort of statement promotes distance and disobedience.
Parents SHOULD pay more attention to what their kids are playing / reading / watching. And, I think that video game content ratings should be enforced and monitored by parents.
Anything can become an addiction, including video games. So, I see the MAVAV's point. Awareness should be spread but video games aren't the problem - broken communication lines between parents and children is the real issue here.
~ DarkATi
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Critics of arcade games say students are squandering their allowance and lunch money, playing hooky from school and consorting with drug pushers. One critic has called shopping-mall video arcades the pool halls of the '80s. Last night in Miami, police shot and wounded a black youth in a video arcade setting off riots and violence that continued today. Beyond the arcades, however, <b>critics say games like Pac-Man and Space Invaders breed antisocial behavior and violence</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well it looks real enough... I thought it was real. Anyway, someone should edit the front page and let people know it's a hoax. Otherwise, new people are going to do the same thing that Twisted and I have.
~ DarkATi
<span style='color:red'>Sirus: It is your responsibility to read <i>all</i> posts prior to hitting the reply button. Please see the above sticky, consider this a notice for now.</span>
IT IS REAL...like santa claus...isnt he?
I wonder how many kids last name would be nelly or ozzy or snoop if we all kids had to switch their last name to the thing which had the most impact on their life.
We should have this discussion not with video games though, but with rap music or just music in general <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> THAT on the other hand...ive seen brainwash kids.
Im just curious how many people have actually dreamed in video game, not you playing the game but in the game itself? I have and it was wierd.
heh it reminds me of something Mark of ConsumptionJunction.com once said
"Oh right the columbine theory, thats right, blame the guns, the music, the videogames hell anything other than there are a bunch of **** poor parents raising **** kids" (note YES I KNOW THE SITE IS SATIRE SO DONT CHICKITY CHECK ME), there still are parents who believe that crap cough cough religious right cough cough.
On a side note... I find MMORPGs interesting. People say gamers "leaving" the real world and enjoying a virtual world isn't healthy... but what do people prefering some imaginary world over something real have to say about the real world? Real Life sucks... thats what it says. Non-gamers suck. Take a look at the discussion forum topics. "Blah blah blah religion blah blah nationalism blah blah we're better then you blahrgle." It seems all that stuff drives people apart... yet games bring people together. at least thats how I've expirienced it.
Quick someone build a matrixy thing.
<!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /><!--endemo-->
On that note, I do not see why everyone is so quick to blame videogames for having people not having social skills.
Like sky said if someone spends forty hours a week playing a video game, there really isn't anything wrong with them, it is up to them to decide if it is real or not. Who knows, maybe their life really sucks and its a very fun and easy way to escape the crap they have to deal with all the time.
I have stated before and I will again, all people have their passions, and while people participate in these passions they will zone off and just enjoy what they are doing. Some people, it is driving, reading, flying, kniting, cleaning, and etc.
No one has the right to take away the passions that someone enjoys while they are not taking care of their "real life". That is just blantantly ignorant of peoples hobbies.
Everything's relative: time, space, even moral values and socially accepted behavior. For example, in Japanese culture, "drunk" means quiet and reserved, as opposed to our abnoxious, destructive drunken antics. So, when we talk about the "right" kinds of behavior in people, does that really mean that growing up as a complete extrovert, being captain of the team, being popular, graduating, and joining life as a productive member of society is "healthy," and the "right" way? Or does it simply mean that it's relatively chosen as our norm?
Looking back through history, we find that we're no strangers to the outcast ones who "break the mold," so to speak. In fact, many of the better contributors to the arts and sciences were even more recluse that those gamers who would be branded "unhealthy potmarks on an otherwise beautiful community" because some don't understand what makes these outcasts tick.
Anyway, that's a rabbit trail. In the end, bet on survival of the fittest.
Going out on a limb here, but I think that people who would consider an imaginary place to be their real home have more wrong upstairs than an addiction to videogames. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well think about it, when you spend 40 hours a week playing in that world, when you have a long list of 60+ friends that you spend all that time with, when you have a crafting busniess that you think about and manage with care, that <i>is</i> your life.
It's a natural, if unhealthy, response to something that you've allowed yourself to grow into. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
All I can say here is MMORGs are evil.
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