Combat: Good Or Bad For Ns.

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  • HeymanHeyman Join Date: 2005-03-29 Member: 46895Members
    Combat added players, but it came with retard players too
  • IllusionZIllusionZ Join Date: 2005-06-02 Member: 52956Members
    Funny, i play NS every night after i get off work. I try to get a decent game in before bed but the last couple of days there has been like 1 ns server and a couple of co servers which all have BS flipping mods that no real ns player cares about. Battlefield 2 here i come *sighs*.....
  • snowsnow Join Date: 2003-08-26 Member: 20240Members
    i just think its odd that after a co map is over and an ns is up half the server doesnt know how to play.

    but yea classic only servers are out there for that reason <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-pjofsky+Jun 17 2005, 12:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pjofsky @ Jun 17 2005, 12:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Condizzle+Jun 17 2005, 08:59 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Condizzle @ Jun 17 2005, 08:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-pjofsky+Jun 17 2005, 11:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pjofsky @ Jun 17 2005, 11:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jun 17 2005, 06:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jun 17 2005, 06:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Cons

    False
    Classic has mods also which alter gameplay
    False, NOT teh con
    Totally and unequivocaly false.
    ROFLMGDAO - not. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    care to elaborate, or are you just going to say "uh, LOL, YOU'RE WRONG, BUT I WON'T CARE TO EXPLAIN MYSELF BECAUSE I DON'T NEED TO" <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    These are not false. They are your opinions. Don't show them as facts. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    lol ^ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    doubleplus loller
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Jun 17 2005, 03:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Jun 17 2005, 03:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-pjofsky+Jun 17 2005, 12:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pjofsky @ Jun 17 2005, 12:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Condizzle+Jun 17 2005, 08:59 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Condizzle @ Jun 17 2005, 08:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-pjofsky+Jun 17 2005, 11:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pjofsky @ Jun 17 2005, 11:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jun 17 2005, 06:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jun 17 2005, 06:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Cons

    False
    Classic has mods also which alter gameplay
    False, NOT teh con
    Totally and unequivocaly false.
    ROFLMGDAO - not. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    care to elaborate, or are you just going to say "uh, LOL, YOU'RE WRONG, BUT I WON'T CARE TO EXPLAIN MYSELF BECAUSE I DON'T NEED TO" <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    These are not false. They are your opinions. Don't show them as facts. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    lol ^ <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    doubleplus loller <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ^^ roffles ^^
  • KarunelKarunel Join Date: 2003-08-19 Member: 19979Members, Constellation
    edited June 2005
    I was going to answer something elaborate but bah, I'll just say that

    1) I hate CO
    2) Yes NS obviously has it's flaws and some of them don't come from CO, but that doesn't mean that CO isn't damaging NS (as in NS_ maps, dunno if the NS universe as a whole, I think that too, though).
    3) <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • CondizzleCondizzle Join Date: 2004-10-05 Member: 32107Members
    I hate it when I say stupid things that don't sound stupid at the time :\
  • Zombies_and_RobotsZombies_and_Robots Join Date: 2005-06-16 Member: 53992Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Condizzle+Jun 17 2005, 04:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Condizzle @ Jun 17 2005, 04:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I hate it when I say stupid things that don't sound stupid at the time :\ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    I do that sometimes, too.
  • CondizzleCondizzle Join Date: 2004-10-05 Member: 32107Members
    edited June 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-Zombies and Robots+Jun 17 2005, 07:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zombies and Robots @ Jun 17 2005, 07:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Condizzle+Jun 17 2005, 04:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Condizzle @ Jun 17 2005, 04:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I hate it when I say stupid things that don't sound stupid at the time :\ <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    I do that sometimes, too. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The problem is that I do it <b>all the time</b>.
  • Zombies_and_RobotsZombies_and_Robots Join Date: 2005-06-16 Member: 53992Members
    Think before you act <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • CondizzleCondizzle Join Date: 2004-10-05 Member: 32107Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Zombies and Robots+Jun 17 2005, 07:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zombies and Robots @ Jun 17 2005, 07:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Think before you act <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What is this 'think' you speak of? (Back on topic now)
  • DaJMastaDaJMasta Join Date: 2005-01-10 Member: 34750Members, Constellation
    I don't see combat as a problem for the mod at all. There are those who hate it, and that is fine and good, but I don't really understand why people think it killed classic.

    It has attracted a more CS like playerbase, yes, but then again they stick to combat because they're too impatient to play a good classic game. So that dosen't hurt classic...

    I do think having 10+ plugins on a server ruins alot of the game, probably moreso in combat, but it's another decision and you can't blame combat for making people make plugins for it. So this isn't an agruement against combat.

    Combat has only replaced classic as "the popular half" because it has recruited double the original playerbase. More people who join because of combat and don't play classic, dosen't weaken classic, it strengthens the mod.

    It may or may not be played as intended. I'll agree there is far too few vanilla combat games played, but to say combat was designed as a minigame/time waster for playing classic probably isn't true. Maybe a dev's opinion would clear it up.

    Combat = CS + NS..... ok..... what's your point? It makes it obvious that you don't like CS, but it really dosen't make an arguement either way to people considering NS seperate from CS. So it's slightly more alike, so what, does that make classic more like starcraft (im sure that's bad for some people)? Most importantly, how is this an arguement for or against combat?

    Combat made:
    Larger playerbase
    More mod variety
    A more supportive and active customization community
    A decent place to practice or mess around

    Combat did not:
    Weaken playerbase (more people isn't weaken, and if you say classic players have been decreasing, the game, especially the engine, aren't new, all games die out eventually.) *NOTE* this does not mean NS is dying, this means that older games will in time become less and less played as new ones show up.
    Destroy competitive NS (Because many leagues don't use it, how could it affect competitive NS? And if competitive NS is dying, why are there new seasons starting again?)

    Note, this thread seems to be the most orderly of the 3 on this page now... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Electrical_TapeElectrical_Tape Join Date: 2003-07-18 Member: 18257Members
    Combat brought in players. Quantity of players are what really matters to devs. You are deluding yourself if you think otherwise.

    Combat is good.
  • badebade Join Date: 2003-10-27 Member: 22040Members, Constellation
    OK, Ive read like a million of thease threads and now I've decided its time to comment! FFS PEOPLE! If someone wants to run an xtra levels server then ffs they can run an xtra levels server, dont complain about! Just dont join it, combat is a fun alternitive to classic, sure its alot noobier but hey its not supposed to be the same game, I dont see how people who have been in the community for years can go on about how co is taking over and ruining everything and that xtra levels suxzerz, there are still plenty of Classic unmodifed ns servers out there u can play on, So what if some combat servers have become like counterstrike! Some people farken like counterstrike! Let those people play on those servers, it dosent effect your ns playtime, its stupid to be bashing co and Xtra levels, The way I see it the people who run NS servers have the right to do whatever they darn well please to them, If u look at it the way alot of people look at xtra levels then you shouldnt be playing ns! See NS is a mod to half life, it complelty changes the game, how **** is that cmmon its messing up the good ol half life we shouldnt all be playing ns, i mean cmmon its some pretty stupid logic!!!! I for one cant see how people with several thousand posts and who have shared a fair many good opinions can be so thick headed (no offense). I would just like to see the co bashing stop! Just to summurize,

    DO NOT BASH CO! People have the right to play how they want!

    Let it all end

    Let it all end

    Let all the bashing and **** talk about co and modifications stop

    Im sick

    N

    Tired

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    IT

    SO

    !!!!!!!{STOP}!!!!!!!!
  • Minotaur0Minotaur0 Join Date: 2004-09-30 Member: 32017Members
    A short co_ round after a long ns_ round is always cool. But yeah, co_ gets boring as soon as there are no skulks anymore.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    I took a crap last night... when I looked in the pot afterwards it looked just like an anti-combat thread...
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Jun 18 2005, 03:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Jun 18 2005, 03:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I took a crap last night... when I looked in the pot afterwards it looked just like an anti-combat thread... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Did ya notice CWAG's sunglasses floating around in there too? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • curlydavecurlydave Join Date: 2003-10-21 Member: 21855Members
    Simple answer: Bad.

    I was under the impression that Combat was just to be used as a server filler so that you wouldn't have to deal with unbiased low-player games of normal NS. I guess that didn't happen.
  • Zombies_and_RobotsZombies_and_Robots Join Date: 2005-06-16 Member: 53992Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-curlydave+Jun 18 2005, 11:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (curlydave @ Jun 18 2005, 11:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Simple answer: Bad.

    I was under the impression that Combat was just to be used as a server filler so that you wouldn't have to deal with unbiased low-player games of normal NS. I guess that didn't happen. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Tis what happens on LunixMonster,
  • curlydavecurlydave Join Date: 2003-10-21 Member: 21855Members
    edited June 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-Zombies and Robots+Jun 18 2005, 01:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zombies and Robots @ Jun 18 2005, 01:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-curlydave+Jun 18 2005, 11:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (curlydave @ Jun 18 2005, 11:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Simple answer: Bad.

    I was under the impression that Combat was just to be used as a server filler so that you wouldn't have to deal with unbiased low-player games of normal NS. I guess that didn't happen. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Tis what happens on LunixMonster, <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    And TG, my two favorite servers. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> It's abused on most others though.
  • CheeseCheese Lork on the Clorf Join Date: 2003-12-15 Member: 24396Members, Constellation
    Mr. Topic Starter...i hate you <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • obuhobuh Not Quite Smart at NS Join Date: 2003-03-31 Member: 15072Members, Constellation
    I think that combat doesn't have a good influence on the game.

    And I like this kind of thread.
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    Combat enabled me to improve upon my aiming skills, particularly in early game before upgrading. I also like the fast paced action it provides, in particular if mp_combattime is less than 15 minutes (10 preferred).

    Yes, I am referring to playing on plain vanilla servers .... ... .. .

    So yes it's good for NS. It also is a breath of fresh air after a lengthy hard fought game of classic.
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