"war Terrorists..."
ickaz
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<div class="IPBDescription">whats your opinion... why???</div> Do you even know why the terrorists are doing... that of which they are doing???...
Do you support the war on terrorists???...
Do you think theres a better way to handle the terrorists???
did you know that the reason they blow them selfs up... is not exactly because of their religion... but for the cause... they use the religion as an inspiration... in their religion it states that its wrong to kill... they belive they are not killing innocent people... but actualy killing the Jew army... The reason im saying this now... is because I got bashed... by a guy calling me ignorent on the situration on terror... just want to know what you know... why you support or dont support... and such...
(some of this I took out of an interview with a Terrorist)
Do you support the war on terrorists???...
Do you think theres a better way to handle the terrorists???
did you know that the reason they blow them selfs up... is not exactly because of their religion... but for the cause... they use the religion as an inspiration... in their religion it states that its wrong to kill... they belive they are not killing innocent people... but actualy killing the Jew army... The reason im saying this now... is because I got bashed... by a guy calling me ignorent on the situration on terror... just want to know what you know... why you support or dont support... and such...
(some of this I took out of an interview with a Terrorist)
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Brilliant!
<span style='color:red'>Sirus: If you're going to try and make a point, don't use sarcasm as a device. It's obnoxious, and counter-productive.</span>
As long as they believe it, it's A-OK!! Especially if they seem to be going against the religion they're using as an inspiration!!
<span style='color:red'>Sirus: Same for you.</span>
A) It's friggin' hot.
B) It's friggin' dry.
C) The tap water is sea water with 10% of its salt left.
To understand the cause of terrorism, you have to look at the socio-economic factors. For instance, the Middle East as a whole is full of impoverished, deeply religious, uneducated peasants who are under the power of a ruling elite.
It's widely known that poverty breeds crime. But when practically everybody's poor, you need to direct that anger towards an external force. That force happens to be the United States. We are, of course, the main force of globalism, the richest nation on the planet, and propogaters of good ol' American pie. That's who the people blame in the Middle East. They blame us because we're living the good life (for the most part) and they aren't.
Now, once you've given a poor, uneducated person a person or entity to blame, you also teach them how to channel that hate into something tangible. For instance, car bombings, suicide bombings, just general mayhem that actually in fact, does not help their situation, but cements them into a cycle of poverty, ignorance, and regressivism (I'm coining a new term).
The problem with the Middle East is that it's an impoverished place, and it doesn't seem to be shaking itself out of its poverty. The most promising country in the entire region is the United Arab Emirates. It boasts a modern economy, a progressive government, and a general abundance of wealth (comparatively, and even close to European standards). However, it's a small, net export country that can't really make an impact on the region as a whole, but you don't see many domestic stability issues as well.
Surprisingly enough, Iran is actually a modernizing country. Though it is under theocratic rule, there are elections and many elements of progressivism in terms of civil rights. I don't like the hard line stance that the US has taken towards it, though.
And finally..."Jew army"? Blowing yourself up and killing 40 civilians, many of them children, is considered an army? You know why Israel is militarized? Because there have been a series of wars in which Arab countries have attacked it and any sovereign nation that's worth a damn will fight back. You're already showing your prejudices just by saying, "Jew army". I've got news for you:
Israel requires that all of its Jewish citizens to serve in its army for a set period of time, yes, but there are still Christians and Muslims in the Israeli army. You aren't fighting a "Jew army", though it might be the majority, you're fighting the Israeli army. Else, we might as well call the US the "Christian army" since most of them are predominantly Christian.
Poverty begets crime (in this case, terrorism). And that, ladies and gentleman, is why there are so many terrorists in the Middle East.
While he did mention on it, I just want to second the fact about these people being uneducated.
There is no interent, no libraries, no real independant reporting, which means that the only source of information they have growing up is their leaders, and by they time they are older and can possibly get access to other sorts of information, their hatred of the "evil" that is America is so deeply rooted that their opinion will never change.
Diazo
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And in that, I gotta agree with him. Oh sure, they're completely, horribly wrong. But that's what they believe.
I don't actually think that ickaz is trying to defend the terrorists, but I'm having a hard time deciphering his post.
trying to use an example here...
This guy called Omar Marzouk who is a danish Comedian (from Egypt but raised in Denmark) went to Gaza to make a documentary... He wanted to find out what his point of veiw on the terrorists should be as a muslim...<img src='http://www.chortle.co.uk/edfest2004/pix/danish.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
info on Omar
<a href='http://www.chortle.co.uk/edfest2005/omar.html' target='_blank'>http://www.chortle.co.uk/edfest2005/omar.html</a>
the documentery movie
<a href='http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0443807/' target='_blank'>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0443807/</a>
So he went there... (its all on a dvd)... He talked to people on the streets... and actualy... the first guy he talked to... was a terrorist... he interviewed him... and thats where im using all my facts from...
I found it very interesting...
I dont know if this documentary has got english subtitles if any of you are interested?... but I will recommend seeing it...
its not like that thing about 9/11 that fat guy made <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
its only about "Omar" trying to figure out this this and this
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Rapier7 Posted: Jun 24 2005, 12:26 AM
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ickaz...
No offense, but you sound like some 14 year old guy living in a European country with very biased, ignorant views on America and Americans.
It's not even tangent to this discussion. We're talking about the effects of a militarized country, not the slander/ridicule of Arabs or the specifics of different forms of energy production, and even then, you obviously know very little about that.
Oh, and stop reading Chomsky and Zinn, here's what I think of the Israeli situation:
<img src='http://www.masada2000.org/occupation1.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
This post has been edited by Sirus on Jun 24 2005, 01:37 AM
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... Now this is what happend... After world war 2 the united kingdoms, united states, and france, gave that country to the Jews... they gave it... or simply took it and handed it over to the jews... now theres a somewhat repression of the people who lived there before... (the muslims...) their reaction to this is... terrorism... does not justify blowing them selfs up in the middel of the street... of cause... but this is one of the reasons why...
Only half of the victims were Jews. Stalin killed way more people with his Purges. But the Jews get Arab land because Hitler hated them the most.
I'm not willing to go into tremendous detail as to why I believe people become terrorists. Two of my cousins from Libya crossed into Iraq to fight our occupation. Though I don't consider them terrorists (there are many insurgents there who DON'T behead any random civilian they can find), I think they may've shared a lot of the same ideals as those who are giving up their lives with bombs strapped to themselves. My cousins weren't incredibly poor in the sense that they had food, (sometimes) water, and a roof. I believe that it's the spectrum of vision, rather than the poverty (though you could argue the lack of angle could be from poverty), is what inspires them to become "martyrs."
I, personally, am emotionally biased towards the Palestinian cause (not necessarily of Hamas), but choose to recognize Israel's right to exist after decades of sovereignty. Though I feel that a proven aggressive (arguably murderous during his military career) military leader shouldn't have been chosen to represent Israel and I don't condone the use of hellfire missiles on unarmored vehicles in civilian streeets, Israel has a right to defend its borders as a declared and widely accepted sovereign nation. But as I said, the Arab spectrum of views and information isn't vast. Palestinians can hear the other side of the story, but when night falls and in Israeli missile strikes a populated district, eliminating its target, plus a few civilians, what would make them care? The same goes for Iraq today. They can hear all day that this is for the better future, but the car bombs continue to go off, American bombs drop with the promise of victory, and their police forces are constantly under attack, what is to make them feel optimistic? It's different for us. We live in worlds where we have economic strength, where we have freedoms and liberties, where we can live our lives practically as we wish. It's easy for us as people to pat them on the back from thousands of miles away.
Another issue is the abuse of theocratic power. A lot Islamic leaders have their power because of theocratic fundamentalism. Islam carries a strong sentiment of resistance, and when a poverse Muslim population is subjected to daily bombings from a foreign force (note I consider Israel a foreign force only because they're generally depicted as such by Palestinians today), religious leaders won't hesitate to proclaim their own call to duty, taking advantage of the youth, the angst, and (as mentioned by another person) poverty. Take note of Sistani who played a large part in quelling a possible Shia rebellion in Iraq. He showed restraint and concern that's unparalleled by most major Islamic leaders today.
While I agree strongly that poverty is a (if not the) major factor in the current state of an entire region, I don't think the problem can be addressed that simply. While poverty may be the factor bringing upon all these other issues, solving the poverty issue isn't going to solve all those issues.