Bunny Hopping

SnipeydopeSnipeydope Join Date: 2005-03-09 Member: 44507Members
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Sorry i normally play marines and i wanted a change of scene so i decided to skulk and i saw every one else hopping around but when i tried it it didnt make any difference to my speed or anything. so was i doing it wrong? or had i just not noticeed a difference in speed or agility or something?
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  • Asal_The_UnforgivingAsal_The_Unforgiving Join Date: 2003-03-26 Member: 14903Members
    For one, it doesn't increase your agility at all. It makes you go faster....forward. And you were probably holding forward, which you shouldn't do. Strangely enough, that slows you down.
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  • SnipeydopeSnipeydope Join Date: 2005-03-09 Member: 44507Members
    so i just tap space over and over without holding forward?
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  • obuhobuh Not Quite Smart at NS Join Date: 2003-03-31 Member: 15072Members, Constellation
    <a href='http://www.othell.com/bhop/' target='_blank'>http://www.othell.com/bhop/</a>

    <a href='http://fidosrevenge.com/bhop/' target='_blank'>http://fidosrevenge.com/bhop/</a> (Check out the animated illustration)

    In NS, you have to hold crouch to bhop as skulk, to avoid sticking to the floor.
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  • Asal_The_UnforgivingAsal_The_Unforgiving Join Date: 2003-03-26 Member: 14903Members
    To bunnyhop, you have to understand the concept of the strafejump, which is holding a side-direction and jumping....a bunnyhop is a series of strafejumps, not a forward jump.
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  • kolokolkolokol Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9166Members
    Youll need this. I use this and my mousewheel. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    alias hop "+jump; wait; -jump; wait"
    alias +jumps "hop;hop;hop; +jump; wait"
    alias -jumps "-jump; wait;"

    Shove it in your config.cfg then bind your jump key or mwheel to hop. It will give you 3 jumps when you order one so you don't have to get the timing split second.
    For practice try putting ns_nothing on and bunny hopping around viaduct. Try turning the gravity off entirely to practice your strafing. Just by holding down lft or rgt and strafing the mouse you will see yourself accelerate in the air. Put the grav back on, but to 400 instead of 800. This will give you a little bit longer to press those keys before the next jump. Once you have the movements smooth put it back to 800 and just hop round from gen to via and back a few times.
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  • InnocuousInnocuous Join Date: 2004-02-18 Member: 26671Members
    When you bunnyhop be sure to hold crouch down, do not hold forward down, and alternate strafe keys in the direction you bhop.
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  • GamezLordGamezLord Join Date: 2003-02-12 Member: 13457Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-kolokol+Jun 9 2005, 06:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kolokol @ Jun 9 2005, 06:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Youll need this. I use this and my mousewheel. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    alias hop "+jump; wait; -jump; wait"
    alias +jumps "hop;hop;hop; +jump; wait"
    alias -jumps "-jump; wait;"

    Shove it in your config.cfg then bind your jump key or mwheel to hop. It will give you 3 jumps when you order one so you don't have to get the timing split second.
    For practice try putting ns_nothing on and bunny hopping around viaduct. Try turning the gravity off entirely to practice your strafing. Just by holding down lft or rgt and strafing the mouse you will see yourself accelerate in the air. Put the grav back on, but to 400 instead of 800. This will give you a little bit longer to press those keys before the next jump. Once you have the movements smooth put it back to 800 and just hop round from gen to via and back a few times. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Acctually you don't need it. Not even speaking of the no script alias servers. For me personally it's alot easier just using MWheel. When I bunnyhop I just keep scrolling down at the right moment and 95% of the time I don't miss.
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  • Asal_The_UnforgivingAsal_The_Unforgiving Join Date: 2003-03-26 Member: 14903Members
    Or you can keep it natural, like I do.

    Old anti-scripting veterans unite! <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • kolokolkolokol Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9166Members
    100% of the time i don't miss <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Asal The Unforgiving+Jun 9 2005, 07:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Asal The Unforgiving @ Jun 9 2005, 07:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Or you can keep it natural, like I do. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    or use mousewheel
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  • Asal_The_UnforgivingAsal_The_Unforgiving Join Date: 2003-03-26 Member: 14903Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-TOmekki+Jun 15 2005, 10:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TOmekki @ Jun 15 2005, 10:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Asal The Unforgiving+Jun 9 2005, 07:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Asal The Unforgiving @ Jun 9 2005, 07:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Or you can keep it natural, like I do. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    or use mousewheel <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That takes a lot of the skill out of the game, and personally I take pride in my ability to keep up without using Mwheel bhop, scripts, or anything of the sort.

    Call me old fashioned or dumb, but I'm content.
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  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Asal The Unforgiving+Jun 15 2005, 01:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Asal The Unforgiving @ Jun 15 2005, 01:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-TOmekki+Jun 15 2005, 10:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TOmekki @ Jun 15 2005, 10:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Asal The Unforgiving+Jun 9 2005, 07:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Asal The Unforgiving @ Jun 9 2005, 07:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Or you can keep it natural, like I do. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    or use mousewheel <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That takes a lot of the skill out of the game, and personally I take pride in my ability to keep up without using Mwheel bhop, scripts, or anything of the sort.

    Call me old fashioned or dumb, but I'm content. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    well yeah, i used to bhop with 3jumps in space, but mwheel feels more natural to me.
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  • BallistoBallisto Join Date: 2003-05-19 Member: 16503Members
    If you learn to bhop without scripts you get MUCH more flexibility and control. It's worth it.

    There's an ns map out there... something like ns_bunnyhop. It's got ideal spots to practice and walls covered in instructions.
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  • FlounderFlounder Join Date: 2004-09-12 Member: 31656Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Asal The Unforgiving+Jun 15 2005, 01:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Asal The Unforgiving @ Jun 15 2005, 01:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-TOmekki+Jun 15 2005, 10:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TOmekki @ Jun 15 2005, 10:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Asal The Unforgiving+Jun 9 2005, 07:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Asal The Unforgiving @ Jun 9 2005, 07:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Or you can keep it natural, like I do. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    or use mousewheel <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That takes a lot of the skill out of the game, and personally I take pride in my ability to keep up without using Mwheel bhop, scripts, or anything of the sort.

    Call me old fashioned or dumb, but I'm content. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Or, bind that jump script to your mousewheel.

    // jumps

    alias hop "+jump; wait; -jump; wait"
    alias +jumps "hop;hop;hop; +jump; wait"
    alias -jumps "-jump; wait;"

    bind space +jump
    bind mwheelup +jump
    bind mwheeldown +jumps


    //end jumps

    This way on bs_1 servers you can still use your mousewheel, but if you happen to stumble into a bs_0 server you get the 3jump benefit that pretty much everyone else in the room is using.

    And if you were wondering, all that jump script does is spam the jump command so you can concentrate on the movement of bhopping and not so much the timing.
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  • Asal_The_UnforgivingAsal_The_Unforgiving Join Date: 2003-03-26 Member: 14903Members
    I know what a jump script does, as does everyone else. I also know what a mousewheel binding does. But my mousewheel is taken. (Ever spammed a negligent comm with "Need orders" to get a res node? 200 requests in two seconds, AW YEAH!)

    In any case, I use my THUMB. AND NO SCRIPT. I don't do well, but I do have a bhop, and sometimes, it's nice to be able to say "I don't use any scripts."

    Know what I mean?
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  • RobertoRoberto Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14591Members, Constellation
    don't bind triplejump to mousewheel, it spams jump way too much and gets backlogged
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  • 2_of_Eight2_of_Eight Join Date: 2003-08-20 Member: 20016Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Roberto+Jun 23 2005, 01:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Roberto @ Jun 23 2005, 01:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> don't bind triplejump to mousewheel, it spams jump way too much and gets backlogged <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No no no, you bind "+jump" to mousewheel and spam it. You bind "3jump" to a key (space, ctrl, etc).
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  • RobertoRoberto Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14591Members, Constellation
    I bind 3jump to mouse3
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  • DystopiaDystopia Join Date: 2005-06-23 Member: 54496Members
    <a href='http://fidosrevenge.com/bhop/' target='_blank'>http://fidosrevenge.com/bhop/</a>

    Not made for NS, but easily adaptable.
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  • the_holethe_hole Join Date: 2004-01-03 Member: 25019Members, Constellation
    I use mousewheel and a 3jump, I just do one click of the wheel.. I've noticed this helps me when I bunnyhop without a script.. cause I still only do one, nicely timed, click.

    I'm not saying I'm just as good without the script, but a good 80% of my jumps are perfectly timed.
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  • MaxAmusMaxAmus UK Join Date: 2003-12-26 Member: 24779Members, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow
    scripts are for the weak gamers, that are to lazy to play the game they it was intended?

    when u downloaded ns, did it come with that script :? i think not.... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • DystopiaDystopia Join Date: 2005-06-23 Member: 54496Members
    Did it come with custom models and transparent minimaps with location names either?

    Or how about a **** attitude.
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  • stallioNstallioN Join Date: 2005-06-21 Member: 54363Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-MaxAmus+Jun 25 2005, 03:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MaxAmus @ Jun 25 2005, 03:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> scripts are for the weak gamers, that are to lazy to play the game they it was intended?

    when u downloaded ns, did it come with that script :? i think not.... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Some people like to save time and not die in base while they type
    "bind mwheelup +attack" and such.
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  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-MaxAmus+Jun 25 2005, 03:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MaxAmus @ Jun 25 2005, 03:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> scripts are for the weak gamers, that are to lazy to play the game they it was intended?

    when u downloaded ns, did it come with that script :? i think not.... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Default NS config


    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->bind space "+jump"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    So yes, it did in fact come with scripts.
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  • ZeroPainZeroPain Join Date: 2004-05-04 Member: 28470Members
    edited June 2005
    Or you can just wiggle walk <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    <!--c1--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1-->//Wigglewalk
    alias "speedup" "+moveleft;wait;-moveleft;+moveright;wait;-moveright;+moveleft;wait;-moveleft;+moveright;wait;-moveright;+moveleft;wait;-moveleft;+moveright;wait;-moveright;+moveleft;wait;-moveleft;+moveright;wait;-moveright;+moveleft;wait;-moveleft;+moveright;wait;-moveright;+moveleft;wait;-moveleft"
    alias "speed" "speedup;speedup;speedup;speedup"
    bind "SEMICOLON" "speed"<!--c2--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--ec2-->
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  • stallioNstallioN Join Date: 2005-06-21 Member: 54363Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Jun 25 2005, 04:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Jun 25 2005, 04:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-MaxAmus+Jun 25 2005, 03:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MaxAmus @ Jun 25 2005, 03:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> scripts are for the weak gamers, that are to lazy to play the game they it was intended?

    when u downloaded ns, did it come with that script :?  i think not.... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Default NS config


    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->bind space "+jump"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    So yes, it did in fact come with scripts. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That isn't a script O:
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  • sargeysargey Join Date: 2005-06-07 Member: 53325Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-obuh+Jun 8 2005, 03:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Jun 8 2005, 03:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <a href='http://www.othell.com/bhop/' target='_blank'>http://www.othell.com/bhop/</a>

    <a href='http://fidosrevenge.com/bhop/' target='_blank'>http://fidosrevenge.com/bhop/</a> (Check out the animated illustration)

    In NS, you have to hold crouch to bhop as skulk, to avoid sticking to the floor. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah, i got that second website of a guy in a server, it helped alot but i still need to do some things to master it. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • DystopiaDystopia Join Date: 2005-06-23 Member: 54496Members
    edited June 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-stallioN+Jun 25 2005, 06:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (stallioN @ Jun 25 2005, 06:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Jun 25 2005, 04:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Jun 25 2005, 04:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-MaxAmus+Jun 25 2005, 03:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MaxAmus @ Jun 25 2005, 03:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> scripts are for the weak gamers, that are to lazy to play the game they it was intended?

    when u downloaded ns, did it come with that script :?  i think not.... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Default NS config


    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->bind space "+jump"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    So yes, it did in fact come with scripts. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That isn't a script O: <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'm pretty sure Forlorn proved it is.

    AM I RIGHT
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  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-stallioN+Jun 25 2005, 06:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (stallioN @ Jun 25 2005, 06:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Jun 25 2005, 04:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Jun 25 2005, 04:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-MaxAmus+Jun 25 2005, 03:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MaxAmus @ Jun 25 2005, 03:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> scripts are for the weak gamers, that are to lazy to play the game they it was intended?

    when u downloaded ns, did it come with that script :?  i think not.... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Default NS config


    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->bind space "+jump"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    So yes, it did in fact come with scripts. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That isn't a script O: <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Okay, how about this then



    If scripts weren't intended to be in NS they wouldnt be
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  • Asal_The_UnforgivingAsal_The_Unforgiving Join Date: 2003-03-26 Member: 14903Members
    This isn't about scripting/anti-scripting, guys. I'm as bad as the next guy about that, but JEEZ. Enough of the hostility. Everyone plays their own way, and does so to the best of their ability. Some people choose not to script, some people choose to. It's the same as hacking or not, but with less drama, and less people who care.

    SO LAY OFF AND HELP THE POOR MAN BHOP!
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