OK I just foudn out about this thread and I think it's time for an injection of me in to it.
Things remind people of good times and bad times. You still have the memories but over time they will get pushed to the back of your mind. Something can remind you of those times which will bring back the memorys and all the feelings associated with it.
Yes cyndane people still have the memorys. And that is the most important thing. But people forget about things. I am reminded daily about events. Some times I am reminded events I have forgotten about.
Thats the way most people are worried about losing their memorys of events. Because they may lose the only reminder of the event. Since the topic is about home lets take that. You might move away. You might pass by your old home and be reminded of all the good times you had. If your house has been replaced with a dentist office it really isn't going to be the same.
I've been round my old school recently and it brings back all feelings of nostalgia. If the school was destroyed I would still probably remember some things but nowhere near as much just wandering round and going "ooo I remember destroying the school pc there with sand". I sure as hell wouldn't have remembered that if I hadn't been round.
Something that seems to have been pushed to the side here is that it isn't just about losing the house. It's about losing your neighbours and friends who may live next door. Great you may see them again but it isn't the same as you being neighbours is it.
At least people are being compensated though. Just look at whats happening in zimbabwe at the moment to see how bad it can be
While I acknowledge and understand that many people are attached to a house because of the memories, I am not one of those people. Personally I wouldn't choose that as an arguing point.
What I would argue is that the property is something I purchased. It is <b>mine</b>. It doesn't have to have any sentimental value, any memories attached to it, or any importance to me. Until I say otherwise, it's mine and nobody else can have it.
Having it stolen from me is definitely unAmerican. Remember, people had to own land to <b>vote</b> in America. Land is, and was, a very important part of being an American citizen. It is part of having freedom: the ability to have land on which to do as one pleases. Threatening that is threatening the foundation of all the rest of America's freedoms.
Just because a payment is given doesn't make the theft "right", either.
Good grief, it's only been around two hundred years, and people are already forgetting what makes America great. Stop squandering and relinquishing freedom!
Cyndane, frankly, nobody cares what you went through. I don't care if somebody put a gun to your head and said, "move out or die" because that doesn't happen (legally) in the United States. Take your sob story somewhere else.
We're talking about imminent domain, which, in past times, was used to buy people's land for stuff like roads and public utilities. Not upper income housing or a shopping mall.
Imminent domain was intended for PUBLIC use, not PRIVATE enterprise. The way it's being used now is unconstitutional, and it's another case of corporate players trodding over the average Joe. Got a friend on the zoning and development board? You get cheap property so you can build whatever you want to make money.
I don't care about the psychological implications of your home or your homeland, let's get some facts down:
You're being paid less than what your house and land is worth. You have to factor in the cost of relocation, time, effort, and it won't be the same. The government is seizing land for private use, not public.
This type of abuse from the Federal government is simply unconstitutional and there's no way you can defend what they're doing.
on one hand, I personally am not really too attached to anything location-based. The money the government compensates you when they force you to move out is a lot - my dad's best friend had to sell his condo in Brooklyn to the city and he pretty much didn't have to work a day after 45. I'd kill to have the government pay me enough to never have to work again, and IMO if you wouldn't, you're either already rich or insane. =P and when I've moved from childhood residences before, it has only increased the sentimentality, because it's not as easy to get sentimental about something you still have...
on the other hand, I understand how people have memories attached to places. I think the REAL disquieting thing here, though, is the very IDEA that now the government can now take away the place you live for a new reason. It's another small hit to our personal freedom - the freedom to live exactly where we want. It makes us wonder whether they'll keep doing these small, insignificant infringements on our liberties, til we have none left. I *am* scared of the government, but I'm not that kinda conspiracy theorist...
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 23 2005, 05:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 23 2005, 05:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm not saying I didn't care that I got thrown out, I am saying I know better then to grow attached to materialistic things not matter how sentimental they are. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Just curious - what's wrong with becoming attached to things? I always thought doing so was pretty much human nature, anyway.
<!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Jun 28 2005, 02:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Jun 28 2005, 02:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jun 23 2005, 05:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jun 23 2005, 05:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm not saying I didn't care that I got thrown out, I am saying I know better then to grow attached to materialistic things not matter how sentimental they are. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Just curious - what's wrong with becoming attached to things? I always thought doing so was pretty much human nature, anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well it's obvious she's a robot and we are all inferior beings right? Doing stupid things like treasuring my grandmother's 70 year old picture albums and that one tree I helped my father plant when I was 5, or that part of the floor where the carpet is all bunched up and part of it is ripped and it's been like that as long as you can remember. That's a defect right? It's my fault I care about things like that, and because I do, somehow, I am less of a person than her. Right?
<!--QuoteBegin-Comprox+Jun 23 2005, 06:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Comprox @ Jun 23 2005, 06:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Cyndane, it's not just losing your house.
It's: - having to spend the time moving, taking time off other activites (work, play, etc) - spend time finding a new house thats subtable - your new location might force a change of lifestyle (new school, extra hour on drive to work, etc) - hassle of changing your address and maybe phone number on all your forms. Phone, credit cards, TV, internet, insurance, subscriptions and so forth - your mail. Oh god, we moved and months later mail was still being re-routed and moved - insurance on other things. We moved, our car insurance went up since we now lived in a "high risk" area. Does their payments account for that? - and the worst one. If you are unlucky and get possesion date AFTER you lose possesion of your current house, you get to move it all into storage and then out again! It's like 2 moves in 1! w0000 (done this before, ugh)
They had better be paying double what that house and land is worth just for those reasons, but then you have your sentimental reasons which you guys are already duking out on which come into play also. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Also may lose friends/friendly people near by, or enemies(good thing I guess).
There are times when I'm less than proud to work for the US Government. This is one of those times. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Things remind people of good times and bad times. You still have the memories but over time they will get pushed to the back of your mind. Something can remind you of those times which will bring back the memorys and all the feelings associated with it.
Yes cyndane people still have the memorys. And that is the most important thing. But people forget about things. I am reminded daily about events. Some times I am reminded events I have forgotten about.
Thats the way most people are worried about losing their memorys of events. Because they may lose the only reminder of the event. Since the topic is about home lets take that. You might move away. You might pass by your old home and be reminded of all the good times you had. If your house has been replaced with a dentist office it really isn't going to be the same.
I've been round my old school recently and it brings back all feelings of nostalgia. If the school was destroyed I would still probably remember some things but nowhere near as much just wandering round and going "ooo I remember destroying the school pc there with sand". I sure as hell wouldn't have remembered that if I hadn't been round.
Something that seems to have been pushed to the side here is that it isn't just about losing the house. It's about losing your neighbours and friends who may live next door. Great you may see them again but it isn't the same as you being neighbours is it.
At least people are being compensated though. Just look at whats happening in zimbabwe at the moment to see how bad it can be
What I would argue is that the property is something I purchased. It is <b>mine</b>. It doesn't have to have any sentimental value, any memories attached to it, or any importance to me. Until I say otherwise, it's mine and nobody else can have it.
Having it stolen from me is definitely unAmerican. Remember, people had to own land to <b>vote</b> in America. Land is, and was, a very important part of being an American citizen. It is part of having freedom: the ability to have land on which to do as one pleases. Threatening that is threatening the foundation of all the rest of America's freedoms.
Just because a payment is given doesn't make the theft "right", either.
Good grief, it's only been around two hundred years, and people are already forgetting what makes America great. Stop squandering and relinquishing freedom!
We're talking about imminent domain, which, in past times, was used to buy people's land for stuff like roads and public utilities. Not upper income housing or a shopping mall.
Imminent domain was intended for PUBLIC use, not PRIVATE enterprise. The way it's being used now is unconstitutional, and it's another case of corporate players trodding over the average Joe. Got a friend on the zoning and development board? You get cheap property so you can build whatever you want to make money.
I don't care about the psychological implications of your home or your homeland, let's get some facts down:
You're being paid less than what your house and land is worth.
You have to factor in the cost of relocation, time, effort, and it won't be the same.
The government is seizing land for private use, not public.
This type of abuse from the Federal government is simply unconstitutional and there's no way you can defend what they're doing.
on the other hand, I understand how people have memories attached to places. I think the REAL disquieting thing here, though, is the very IDEA that now the government can now take away the place you live for a new reason. It's another small hit to our personal freedom - the freedom to live exactly where we want. It makes us wonder whether they'll keep doing these small, insignificant infringements on our liberties, til we have none left. I *am* scared of the government, but I'm not that kinda conspiracy theorist...
Just curious - what's wrong with becoming attached to things? I always thought doing so was pretty much human nature, anyway.
Just curious - what's wrong with becoming attached to things? I always thought doing so was pretty much human nature, anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well it's obvious she's a robot and we are all inferior beings right? Doing stupid things like treasuring my grandmother's 70 year old picture albums and that one tree I helped my father plant when I was 5, or that part of the floor where the carpet is all bunched up and part of it is ripped and it's been like that as long as you can remember. That's a defect right? It's my fault I care about things like that, and because I do, somehow, I am less of a person than her. Right?
It's:
- having to spend the time moving, taking time off other activites (work, play, etc)
- spend time finding a new house thats subtable
- your new location might force a change of lifestyle (new school, extra hour on drive to work, etc)
- hassle of changing your address and maybe phone number on all your forms. Phone, credit cards, TV, internet, insurance, subscriptions and so forth
- your mail. Oh god, we moved and months later mail was still being re-routed and moved
- insurance on other things. We moved, our car insurance went up since we now lived in a "high risk" area. Does their payments account for that?
- and the worst one. If you are unlucky and get possesion date AFTER you lose possesion of your current house, you get to move it all into storage and then out again! It's like 2 moves in 1! w0000 (done this before, ugh)
They had better be paying double what that house and land is worth just for those reasons, but then you have your sentimental reasons which you guys are already duking out on which come into play also. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Also may lose friends/friendly people near by, or enemies(good thing I guess).
When I retire, I'm founding a PMC.