Vac - Valve Anti Cheat

midspacemidspace Join Date: 2005-01-07 Member: 33605Members, Constellation
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<div class="IPBDescription">Dumb Question Time</div> The FAQ points it out.

<!--QuoteBegin-FAQ+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (FAQ)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Natural Selection v3.0 final should ship with VALVe software's Anti-Cheat support (VAC). The team will also work with other cheat protection software authors on request. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Searching for it is useless, because it is so small, it hides in the cracks between all the tiles where all the Forum Pages go to bathe.

Everytime I look for a Secure Game of NS, it does not exist.

A pose an important question to you my dear readers out there on the frontier reaches, seeking to play honest game, and still rack up the head count.

What has happened to our dear beloved VAC?
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  • coriscoris Join Date: 2003-07-08 Member: 18034Members, Constellation
    VAC isn't updated anymore anyway, but NS doesn't support it. Maybe NS:S Will?
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  • tankefugltankefugl One Script To Rule Them All... Trondheim, Norway Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8641Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    Actually, VAC2 is going through its beta phase, and will according to Valve support third party mods when the beta is over. So we'll just have to wait and see.
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  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-midspace+Jun 29 2005, 06:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (midspace @ Jun 29 2005, 06:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The FAQ points it out.

    <!--QuoteBegin-FAQ+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (FAQ)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Natural Selection v3.0 final should ship with VALVe software's Anti-Cheat support (VAC). The team will also work with other cheat protection software authors on request. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Searching for it is useless, because it is so small, it hides in the cracks between all the tiles where all the Forum Pages go to bathe.

    Everytime I look for a Secure Game of NS, it does not exist.

    A pose an important question to you my dear readers out there on the frontier reaches, seeking to play honest game, and still rack up the head count.

    What has happened to our dear beloved VAC? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    there really arent that much cheaters
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  • tankefugltankefugl One Script To Rule Them All... Trondheim, Norway Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8641Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    Anti-cheat also cuts down on the cheat accusations, whether there are cheats or not.
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  • joeejoee Join Date: 2005-06-18 Member: 54113Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-TOmekki+Jun 29 2005, 09:23 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TOmekki @ Jun 29 2005, 09:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-midspace+Jun 29 2005, 06:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (midspace @ Jun 29 2005, 06:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The FAQ points it out.

    <!--QuoteBegin-FAQ+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (FAQ)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Natural Selection v3.0 final should ship with VALVe software's Anti-Cheat support (VAC). The team will also work with other cheat protection software authors on request. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Searching for it is useless, because it is so small, it hides in the cracks between all the tiles where all the Forum Pages go to bathe.

    Everytime I look for a Secure Game of NS, it does not exist.

    A pose an important question to you my dear readers out there on the frontier reaches, seeking to play honest game, and still rack up the head count.

    What has happened to our dear beloved VAC? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    there really arent that much cheaters <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    i kind of doubt that but we'll see i guess, it's not like anyone really will take time to make cheats for ns, since the only ones are really slightly modified ogc hooks
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  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-tankefugl+Jun 29 2005, 09:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tankefugl @ Jun 29 2005, 09:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Anti-cheat also cuts down on the cheat accusations, whether there are cheats or not. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    true, but then the blame carries to something else

    ~rates
    ~scripts
    ~modelhax
    ~msn messenger wallhack
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  • joeejoee Join Date: 2005-06-18 Member: 54113Members
    edited June 2005
    nm
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  • coriscoris Join Date: 2003-07-08 Member: 18034Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-tankefugl+Jun 29 2005, 03:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tankefugl @ Jun 29 2005, 03:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Actually, VAC2 is going through its beta phase, and will according to Valve support third party mods when the beta is over. So we'll just have to wait and see. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Isn't that only for source?
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  • DuoGodOfDeathDuoGodOfDeath Join Date: 2002-08-01 Member: 1044Members
    VAC one was a horrible failure. I doubt VAC 2 will hardly make a difference in the anti-cheat community. It will probably only slow down the coders of cheats nothing more :/
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  • puzlpuzl The Old Firm Join Date: 2003-02-26 Member: 14029Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    VAC2 will replace VAC on HL1 systems.
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  • Jmmsbnd007Jmmsbnd007 Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9793Banned, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-tankefugl+Jun 29 2005, 09:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tankefugl @ Jun 29 2005, 09:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Anti-cheat also cuts down on the cheat accusations, whether there are cheats or not. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No, it won't. For every anti-cheat device out there, there's always either an anti-anti-cheat (cheating-death-death for example), or cheats that can evade and make it past the current anti-cheat.
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  • EmanonEmanon Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16254Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-tankefugl+Jun 29 2005, 09:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tankefugl @ Jun 29 2005, 09:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Anti-cheat also cuts down on the cheat accusations, whether there are cheats or not. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Not to sure about that, my fellow server ops and myself have been accused of cheating even with the icon next to our name.
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  • joeejoee Join Date: 2005-06-18 Member: 54113Members
    unless the cs multihooks work for ns as well, i dont think people would honestly bother recoding a hook entirely for NS

    maybe the basic wallhacks would work but the whole esp \ aimbot \ etc might not
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  • DuoGodOfDeathDuoGodOfDeath Join Date: 2002-08-01 Member: 1044Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-joee+Jun 29 2005, 07:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (joee @ Jun 29 2005, 07:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> unless the cs multihooks work for ns as well, i dont think people would honestly bother recoding a hook entirely for NS

    maybe the basic wallhacks would work but the whole esp \ aimbot \ etc might not <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Any CS hack would work for NS. I doubt a Aimbot for say CS/DOD/TFC would work in NS but I do know there are some for NS.
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  • coriscoris Join Date: 2003-07-08 Member: 18034Members, Constellation
    I thought any OGC-hook with vecs for the ns models / hitboxes would work?
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  • digzdigz be still, maggot Join Date: 2002-05-07 Member: 588Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    Um, general discussion anyone?
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  • Fatal_ErrorFatal_Error Join Date: 2005-01-15 Member: 35840Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-joee+Jun 29 2005, 03:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (joee @ Jun 29 2005, 03:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i dont think people would honestly bother recoding a hook entirely for NS <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well, then, you'd be, VERY, VERY, surprised.
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  • joeejoee Join Date: 2005-06-18 Member: 54113Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Fatal Error+Jun 29 2005, 06:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fatal Error @ Jun 29 2005, 06:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-joee+Jun 29 2005, 03:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (joee @ Jun 29 2005, 03:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i dont think people would honestly bother recoding a hook entirely for NS <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well, then, you'd be, VERY, VERY, surprised. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    aren't they just ogc hooks with a small editing thing done for ns
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  • KenichiKenichi This is not a pie. Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2941Members, NS1 Playtester
    edited June 2005
    Actually, there are OGC type prorams specifically designed for NS. They hold many different wallhack modes, esp modes, and many different vecs. They are very sophisticated. Just because you havn't seen it, don't assume they don't exist. They do.

    The better cheaters don't get caught, because they don't blatently cheat. Remember that.
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  • joeejoee Join Date: 2005-06-18 Member: 54113Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Kenichi+Jun 29 2005, 09:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi @ Jun 29 2005, 09:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Actually, there are OGC type prorams specifically designed for NS. They hold many different wallhack modes, esp modes, and many different vecs. They are very sophisticated. Just because you havn't seen it, don't assume they don't exist. They do.

    The better cheaters don't get caught, because they don't blatently cheat. Remember that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    the question is 1. how long ago were they made and 2. would vac2 catch them

    a hack from like a year ago will still work in ns
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  • devicenulldevicenull Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15967Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    Vac2? I give it a day before its broken. Valve won't be able to update fast enough.
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  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    That's not what anticheat does either. It forces the cheaters to get the latest versions, meaning lazy buggers wont be able to play on that server. The lazy cheaters tend to be the biggest buttfaces so it's all good.
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  • airyKairyK Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11126Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-devicenull+Jun 29 2005, 10:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (devicenull @ Jun 29 2005, 10:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Vac2? I give it a day before its broken. Valve won't be able to update fast enough. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I heard its already been broken :/
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  • AlcapwnAlcapwn &quot;War is the science of destruction&quot; - John Abbot Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17590Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-joee+Jun 29 2005, 02:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (joee @ Jun 29 2005, 02:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> unless the cs multihooks work for ns as well, i dont think people would honestly bother recoding a hook entirely for NS

    maybe the basic wallhacks would work but the whole esp \ aimbot \ etc might not <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Not untill NS ends up on the "My Games" List anyway... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • joeejoee Join Date: 2005-06-18 Member: 54113Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-WaterBoy+Jun 30 2005, 12:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (WaterBoy @ Jun 30 2005, 12:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-joee+Jun 29 2005, 02:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (joee @ Jun 29 2005, 02:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> unless the cs multihooks work for ns as well, i dont think people would honestly bother recoding a hook entirely for NS

    maybe the basic wallhacks would work but the whole esp \ aimbot \ etc might not <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Not untill NS ends up on the "My Games" List anyway... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    that's the double edged sword of people actally playing your mod
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  • KaliKali Join Date: 2002-07-01 Member: 858Members
    I hope NS Source will use VAC2.
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  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Kali+Jun 30 2005, 01:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kali @ Jun 30 2005, 01:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I hope NS Source will use VAC2. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Agreed.
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  • KenichiKenichi This is not a pie. Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2941Members, NS1 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Kenichi+Jun 29 2005, 09:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi @ Jun 29 2005, 09:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Actually, there are OGC type prorams specifically designed for NS. They hold many different wallhack modes, esp modes, and many different vecs. They are very sophisticated. Just because you havn't seen it, don't assume they don't exist. They do.

    The better cheaters don't get caught, because they don't blatently cheat. Remember that. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    the question is 1. how long ago were they made and 2. would vac2 catch them

    a hack from like a year ago will still work in ns<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Ones from even back in 1.0 were rather good. However, they were just simple CS ogc changed with NS vecs. The current ones are rather advanced, and are spankin new.

    Do hacks from a year ago still work? dunno.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I heard its already been broken :/<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Considering its still a BETA I don't think this phrase is valid.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->  I hope NS Source will use VAC2.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    If what valve says is true about it, there is no reason NS3.0 shouldnt work on it. We shall see.
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  • UrbanConflictUrbanConflict Join Date: 2004-01-01 Member: 24939Members, Constellation
    edited July 2005
    Unfortunately, there are more features for Natural Selection hacks Ive seen than most Counter-Stike ones. Health ESP, Structure ESP, Class ESP, just crazier stuff.
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  • RitcheyRitchey Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3661Members, Constellation
    edited July 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-puzl+Jun 29 2005, 01:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (puzl @ Jun 29 2005, 01:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> VAC2 will replace VAC on HL1 systems. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    actually they'll both be running
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