I'd love to see that, actually. Watch the capitalists declare that the end is nigh. Maybe we could even have stockbrokers splattering their brains all over Wall Street again. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Nem0, Bob Geldof is actualy pushing for fair trade, using this campaign as political leverage for use on the G8, as we know he is inextricably linked with the make poverty history of white-band fame. <a href='http://www.makepovertyhistory.org/whatwewant/trade.shtml' target='_blank'>click</a>
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's simple really, change the rules. Now. It's an obvious solution - challenge and change the rules so they work for poor countries. Re-write them so poor countries can develop, build their own industries, grow stronger, and one day compete as equals. Rich countries used trade rules to protect themselves as they developed - which is how they got where they are now. Now we need to use trade rules to end world poverty as we know it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He also orchestrated a strong political influence which led to the following : <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Two weeks ago 280 million Africans woke up for the first time in their lives without owing you or me a penny from the burden of debt that has crippled them and their countries for so long. The deal struck by G7 Finance Ministers was a victory for the millions of people in the campaigns around the world. But the deal affects, immediately, only 18 countries. There are twice that number in need of help, including Nigeria. And though debt cancellation should be directed in ways that reduce poverty and improve governance it must not come with arduous economic strings attached.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The major change between live 8 and band aid that was originaly set up by Bob is that he has realised it is not enough to throw money at Africa, ground root politics/facilities/methods all need to be changed to empower the African people so that they do not have to rely on scraps from "their richer cousins" to survive.
Bob is a legend and i wish live8 every success in its goals. BTW 24Million people so far have signed the petition. GG G8 leaders if they refuse to see and accept what people have to say.. <img src='http://www.bobgeldof.info/bobstrip.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Just a side note, giving food direct to countries ruins their economies. Sure, some people can eat for a while, but then farmers have no where to sell their produce. As there is no demand they go out of business. When support food ends, there is nothing to fall back on.
Just came back from Live 8 London....AMAZING!!!
Not many things can top this event!
I really see now that Geldof is a hero of our time. The work he has done should be inspiring to all. He has a sound approach to solving the idea of poverty, he sees that there needs to be 4 things for Africa to recover including aid, debt relief, fair trade and government reform.
<!--QuoteBegin-Steel Troll+Jul 2 2005, 11:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Steel Troll @ Jul 2 2005, 11:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Nem0, Bob Geldof is actualy pushing for fair trade, using this campaign as political leverage for use on the G8, as we know he is inextricably linked with the make poverty history of white-band fame. <a href='http://www.makepovertyhistory.org/whatwewant/trade.shtml' target='_blank'>click</a>
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's simple really, change the rules. Now. It's an obvious solution - challenge and change the rules so they work for poor countries. Re-write them so poor countries can develop, build their own industries, grow stronger, and one day compete as equals. Rich countries used trade rules to protect themselves as they developed - which is how they got where they are now. Now we need to use trade rules to end world poverty as we know it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He also orchestrated a strong political influence which led to the following : <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Two weeks ago 280 million Africans woke up for the first time in their lives without owing you or me a penny from the burden of debt that has crippled them and their countries for so long. The deal struck by G7 Finance Ministers was a victory for the millions of people in the campaigns around the world. But the deal affects, immediately, only 18 countries. There are twice that number in need of help, including Nigeria. And though debt cancellation should be directed in ways that reduce poverty and improve governance it must not come with arduous economic strings attached.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The major change between live 8 and band aid that was originaly set up by Bob is that he has realised it is not enough to throw money at Africa, ground root politics/facilities/methods all need to be changed to empower the African people so that they do not have to rely on scraps from "their richer cousins" to survive.
Bob is a legend and i wish live8 every success in its goals. BTW 24Million people so far have signed the petition. GG G8 leaders if they refuse to see and accept what people have to say..<img src='http://www.bobgeldof.info/bobstrip.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> In terms of the world tho 24 million people is nothing... but still as a % of the G8 countries its a much bigger number.
I agree that they need constant pushing for it rather than in big events like this. Although i think the event makes people aware of the situation which helps things.
Shame those bands turned out to be made in Chinese sweat shops...
just a heads up, that petition probably won't mean much. Most, if not all, who sign it, probably sign it with good intentions, but do not plan on actually DOING anything about it.
This is just another media blitz. woo. Sorry guys, Nem0 pretty much hit the nail dead on. If you're recruiting the MTV crowd to "get up and do something" I'd ask for you to remember what happened at the 2004 election--nothing did.
People who are happy and complacent make for bad zealots. I don't see you dropping 20k/year to help those guys. I'm not going to, I don't even make 20k/year. Even after I do, I probably won't, and neither would you.
I probably won't post anymore because I'm probably worse of a pessimist than Nem0, and he seems to actually believe in something at all.
<!--QuoteBegin-Speed 2 Dave+Jul 2 2005, 05:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Speed 2 Dave @ Jul 2 2005, 05:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This is just another media blitz. woo. Sorry guys, Nem0 pretty much hit the nail dead on. If you're recruiting the MTV crowd to "get up and do something" I'd ask for you to remember what happened at the 2004 election--nothing did.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> In the 2004 election, people came out in record numbers. If you look at the chart, you'll notice an eleven percent increase in the turnout of people aged 18-24 - the biggest increase witnessed in any age group. These things work. As foolish as this MTV generation is, they watch their commercials and PSAs.
<!--QuoteBegin-big jim+Jul 2 2005, 05:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (big jim @ Jul 2 2005, 05:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Politics aside... why is it that two bands made up of old men were greater than the entire lineup put together in London?
The Who and Pink Floyd, just omg... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, The Who were absolutely brilliant (as were Pink Floyd). Paul McCartney was decent, but i've seen him perform a better set (That was a full one though, to be fair).
My only gripe was the lack of The Who/Pink Floyd/Joss Stone songs <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> They should have just kicked out the Killers and The Velvet Revolver and given those three bands more time on stage. They didn't even get to play Baba O'Riley <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Steel Troll+Jul 2 2005, 02:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Steel Troll @ Jul 2 2005, 02:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Its not entertainment for the G8 summit, its to raise awareness and make our voices heard <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> HAH, What a farse, toting to the rich like that, how about before spreading our taint to yet another country we take care of our own first, let europe, specifically Belguim for ruining africa, clean up their mess
<!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Jul 3 2005, 10:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Jul 3 2005, 10:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> HAH, What a farse, toting to the rich like that, how about before spreading our taint to yet another country we take care of our own first, let europe, specifically Belguim for ruining africa, clean up their mess <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Europe will never be able to help Africa while corrupt scumbags are in charge. <span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>(The African dicators are a problem, too.)</span>
I wonder. Has there ever been an altruistic movement that hasn't been called underhanded by the very people who should probably support it?
It's just like the socialist depression-era labor leaders: nobody, including the workers who were being organized, could fathom that such people weren't getting paid to coordinate the strikes and pickets, but yet there they were, not getting anything apart from the satisfaction of giving all they could give. There no goddamn harm in this, understand? There is no capitalist plot.
(but then, the artists are getting filthy rich. If you're going to blame anybody, blame Bob Geldof & Co.)
It helps - the MTV generation is not characterized by its attentiveness to world affairs. Maybe through this, young people will recognize Africa as a <i>continent</i> and not a just piece of ice on a chain proving how down your Soledad Brotha self is.
That's half the problem - the majority of people didn't even know about Africa's troubles before this thing.
<!--QuoteBegin-Dubbilex+Jul 3 2005, 10:59 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dubbilex @ Jul 3 2005, 10:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It helps - the MTV generation is not characterized by its attentiveness to world affairs. Maybe through this, young people will recognize Africa as a <i>continent</i> and not a just piece of ice on a chain proving how down your Soledad Brotha self is.
That's half the problem - the majority of people didn't even know about Africa's troubles before this thing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I think allot of people realize it, they just don't care.
America is a pretty apathetic country and not in the good way.
Velvet Revolver were the best <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-reasa+Jul 3 2005, 11:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (reasa @ Jul 3 2005, 11:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Dubbilex+Jul 3 2005, 10:59 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dubbilex @ Jul 3 2005, 10:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It helps - the MTV generation is not characterized by its attentiveness to world affairs. Maybe through this, young people will recognize Africa as a <i>continent</i> and not a just piece of ice on a chain proving how down your Soledad Brotha self is.
That's half the problem - the majority of people didn't even know about Africa's troubles before this thing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I think allot of people realize it, they just don't care.
America is a pretty apathetic country and not in the good way. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> To be fair, it's not just America.
Bloody hell, what is wrong with you naysayers! At least Geldof is trying to do something, condemn it all you want, but you can't ignore the facts that are blatantly in front of you, need I repeat the fact that a child dies every 3 seconds through extreme poverty.
Let me ask you, did you know about the G8 summit before Live 8 advertised it? If so did any of your friends or people you know? After this massive event was set up do you think that the G8 can't drop debts?
Don’t give me any of this "I wonder how much the Bob Geldof estate is worth?" because he has done more than anyone for this cause.
If you are going to criticise his actions then **** off and let the world try to recover without you
<!--QuoteBegin-Fog cartoons+Jul 3 2005, 12:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fog cartoons @ Jul 3 2005, 12:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Bloody hell, what is wrong with you naysayers! At least Geldof is trying to do something, condemn it all you want, but you can't ignore the facts that are blatantly in front of you, need I repeat the fact that a child dies every 3 seconds through extreme poverty.
Let me ask you, did you know about the G8 summit before Live 8 advertised it? If so did any of your friends or people you know? After this massive event was set up do you think that the G8 can't drop debts?
Don’t give me any of this "I wonder how much the Bob Geldof estate is worth?" because he has done more than anyone for this cause.
If you are going to criticise his actions then **** off and let the world try to recover without you <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> 1: A child dies every 3 seconds through to extreme poverty, mostly caused by the fact that corrupt governments across Africa are simply not giving the aid to the people that concerts like Live 8 provide. 2: All my friends and family knew about the G8 summit way before Live 8. Maybe if you kept up then you would've too.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Fog cartoons+Jul 3 2005, 12:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fog cartoons @ Jul 3 2005, 12:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Let me ask you, did you know about the G8 summit before Live 8 advertised it? If so did any of your friends or people you know? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> YES! Because some people realise that there are other channels on the TV besides VH1, and there are also things called "newspapers" and "internets" where news can be spread. Bob Geldoff is not the source of all information.
Yeah. The G8 isn't exactly a secret to people who read the newspapers.
Second, if the proceeds from this tour were going towards Africa relief there would be significantly less flak for him to catch - as valuable as exposure is (really, I am thankful that he would do that) the fact remains that money talks. I just worry that many of the people who pay for tickets believe that their money is going someplace more important than Bono's pockets; it's real easy to get caught up thinking that you're helping, when in actuality you're just seeing a few high-visibility bands and making the money men even richer.
If Geldof took one, two, (hell, is five too much to ask?) dollars per ticket and helped to fund relief efforts (you know - education, medical facilities, clothes), he could have just put millions of dollars towards righting some serious issues. Until he does that, this tour is a mockery of what it could be.
<!--QuoteBegin-Dubbilex+Jul 3 2005, 12:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dubbilex @ Jul 3 2005, 12:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yeah. The G8 isn't exactly a secret to people who read the newspapers.
Second, if the proceeds from this tour were going towards Africa relief there would be significantly less flak for him to catch - as valuable as exposure is (really, I am thankful that he would do that) the fact remains that money talks. I just worry that many of the people who pay for tickets believe that their money is going someplace more important than Bono's pockets; it's real easy to get caught up thinking that you're helping, when in actuality you're just seeing a few high-visibility bands and making the money men even richer.
If Geldof took one, two, (hell, is five too much to ask?) dollars per ticket and helped to fund relief efforts (you know - education, medical facilities, clothes), he could have just put millions of dollars towards righting some serious issues. Until he does that, this tour is a mockery of what it could be.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The tickets were free, the bands were not payed for performing.
Twenty years ago, we tried simply throwing money at the problem. Now, it is clear that just throwing money at the problem will not solve it. Live8 set out to raise awareness about the G8 summit and pressure those leaders in to doing something about it. Time will tell if it was a success, but the fact that Blair is going in to the meeting with such a hardline approach and 13 European countries have so far agreed to increase their income spent on aid to 0.7% counts for something.
Of course most of you guys will know what the G8 is, but many more people did not. Hell, i didn't know about the G8 summit until Live8 brought it to my attention. I know a load of other people in the same situation as me, and a number of them are going up to Edinburgh for the big march. If i wasn't commited to other things, i would probably be going with them.
Oof that was a rather argument-killing mistake on my part, then. Fair enough <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Do you think that everybody who went would give a dollar at the door? I couldn't see anybody having a problem with that, and it certainly would not hurt things. Hospitals and schools need to be built. People need clothes. Most places need electricity and water. Handing utilities to the rulers will not work - that was demonstrated clearly enough in Bosnia - but other steps can be taken and they should be taken.
Raising awareness is an important first step and, for that, I admire Geldof. I just don't admire the fact that he isn't yet taking the logical second step that is completely within his means.
Mugabe'd <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Where does the money (Dollars-Euro-Whatsoever) that those gentlemen have come from? (remember they live in crappy countries with zero economiacl power most of them) If they are so corrupt , who corrupts them? (Who pay $$$ in order to have economical benefits in those countries , like selling products at low prizes (Dumping) ?
Excuse my lame English , Im just a third-world newbie.
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<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's simple really, change the rules. Now.
It's an obvious solution - challenge and change the rules so they work for poor countries. Re-write them so poor countries can develop, build their own industries, grow stronger, and one day compete as equals. Rich countries used trade rules to protect themselves as they developed - which is how they got where they are now. Now we need to use trade rules to end world poverty as we know it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He also orchestrated a strong political influence which led to the following :
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Two weeks ago 280 million Africans woke up for the first time in their lives without owing you or me a penny from the burden of debt that has crippled them and their countries for so long. The deal struck by G7 Finance Ministers was a victory for the millions of people in the campaigns around the world. But the deal affects, immediately, only 18 countries. There are twice that number in need of help, including Nigeria. And though debt cancellation should be directed in ways that reduce poverty and improve governance it must not come with arduous economic strings attached.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The major change between live 8 and band aid that was originaly set up by Bob is that he has realised it is not enough to throw money at Africa, ground root politics/facilities/methods all need to be changed to empower the African people so that they do not have to rely on scraps from "their richer cousins" to survive.
Bob is a legend and i wish live8 every success in its goals. BTW 24Million people so far have signed the petition. GG G8 leaders if they refuse to see and accept what people have to say..
<img src='http://www.bobgeldof.info/bobstrip.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Just came back from Live 8 London....AMAZING!!!
Not many things can top this event!
I really see now that Geldof is a hero of our time. The work he has done should be inspiring to all. He has a sound approach to solving the idea of poverty, he sees that there needs to be 4 things for Africa to recover including aid, debt relief, fair trade and government reform.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's simple really, change the rules. Now.
It's an obvious solution - challenge and change the rules so they work for poor countries. Re-write them so poor countries can develop, build their own industries, grow stronger, and one day compete as equals. Rich countries used trade rules to protect themselves as they developed - which is how they got where they are now. Now we need to use trade rules to end world poverty as we know it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He also orchestrated a strong political influence which led to the following :
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Two weeks ago 280 million Africans woke up for the first time in their lives without owing you or me a penny from the burden of debt that has crippled them and their countries for so long. The deal struck by G7 Finance Ministers was a victory for the millions of people in the campaigns around the world. But the deal affects, immediately, only 18 countries. There are twice that number in need of help, including Nigeria. And though debt cancellation should be directed in ways that reduce poverty and improve governance it must not come with arduous economic strings attached.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The major change between live 8 and band aid that was originaly set up by Bob is that he has realised it is not enough to throw money at Africa, ground root politics/facilities/methods all need to be changed to empower the African people so that they do not have to rely on scraps from "their richer cousins" to survive.
Bob is a legend and i wish live8 every success in its goals. BTW 24Million people so far have signed the petition. GG G8 leaders if they refuse to see and accept what people have to say..<img src='http://www.bobgeldof.info/bobstrip.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
In terms of the world tho 24 million people is nothing... but still as a % of the G8 countries its a much bigger number.
I agree that they need constant pushing for it rather than in big events like this. Although i think the event makes people aware of the situation which helps things.
Shame those bands turned out to be made in Chinese sweat shops...
The Who and Pink Floyd, just omg...
This is just another media blitz. woo. Sorry guys, Nem0 pretty much hit the nail dead on. If you're recruiting the MTV crowd to "get up and do something" I'd ask for you to remember what happened at the 2004 election--nothing did.
People who are happy and complacent make for bad zealots. I don't see you dropping 20k/year to help those guys. I'm not going to, I don't even make 20k/year. Even after I do, I probably won't, and neither would you.
I probably won't post anymore because I'm probably worse of a pessimist than Nem0, and he seems to actually believe in something at all.
In the 2004 election, people came out in record numbers. If you look at the chart, you'll notice an eleven percent increase in the turnout of people aged 18-24 - the biggest increase witnessed in any age group. These things work. As foolish as this MTV generation is, they watch their commercials and PSAs.
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The Who and Pink Floyd, just omg... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, The Who were absolutely brilliant (as were Pink Floyd). Paul McCartney was decent, but i've seen him perform a better set (That was a full one though, to be fair).
My only gripe was the lack of The Who/Pink Floyd/Joss Stone songs <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> They should have just kicked out the Killers and The Velvet Revolver and given those three bands more time on stage. They didn't even get to play Baba O'Riley <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Nearly everyone there was singing 'I got soul but im not a soldier'
I'm not going to argue that anyone was bad, simply because everyone performed well, im not sure anyone can argue against that.
Mugabe'd
HAH, What a farse, toting to the rich like that, how about before spreading our taint to yet another country we take care of our own first, let europe, specifically Belguim for ruining africa, clean up their mess
Europe will never be able to help Africa while corrupt scumbags are in charge. <span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>(The African dicators are a problem, too.)</span>
It's just like the socialist depression-era labor leaders: nobody, including the workers who were being organized, could fathom that such people weren't getting paid to coordinate the strikes and pickets, but yet there they were, not getting anything apart from the satisfaction of giving all they could give. There no goddamn harm in this, understand? There is no capitalist plot.
(but then, the artists are getting filthy rich. If you're going to blame anybody, blame Bob Geldof & Co.)
That's half the problem - the majority of people didn't even know about Africa's troubles before this thing.
That's half the problem - the majority of people didn't even know about Africa's troubles before this thing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think allot of people realize it, they just don't care.
America is a pretty apathetic country and not in the good way.
That's half the problem - the majority of people didn't even know about Africa's troubles before this thing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think allot of people realize it, they just don't care.
America is a pretty apathetic country and not in the good way. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
To be fair, it's not just America.
Let me ask you, did you know about the G8 summit before Live 8 advertised it? If so did any of your friends or people you know? After this massive event was set up do you think that the G8 can't drop debts?
Don’t give me any of this "I wonder how much the Bob Geldof estate is worth?" because he has done more than anyone for this cause.
If you are going to criticise his actions then **** off and let the world try to recover without you
Let me ask you, did you know about the G8 summit before Live 8 advertised it? If so did any of your friends or people you know? After this massive event was set up do you think that the G8 can't drop debts?
Don’t give me any of this "I wonder how much the Bob Geldof estate is worth?" because he has done more than anyone for this cause.
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1: A child dies every 3 seconds through to extreme poverty, mostly caused by the fact that corrupt governments across Africa are simply not giving the aid to the people that concerts like Live 8 provide.
2: All my friends and family knew about the G8 summit way before Live 8. Maybe if you kept up then you would've too.
[edit] You have a dumb name lolz.[/edit]
YES! Because some people realise that there are other channels on the TV besides VH1, and there are also things called "newspapers" and "internets" where news can be spread. Bob Geldoff is not the source of all information.
Second, if the proceeds from this tour were going towards Africa relief there would be significantly less flak for him to catch - as valuable as exposure is (really, I am thankful that he would do that) the fact remains that money talks. I just worry that many of the people who pay for tickets believe that their money is going someplace more important than Bono's pockets; it's real easy to get caught up thinking that you're helping, when in actuality you're just seeing a few high-visibility bands and making the money men even richer.
If Geldof took one, two, (hell, is five too much to ask?) dollars per ticket and helped to fund relief efforts (you know - education, medical facilities, clothes), he could have just put millions of dollars towards righting some serious issues. Until he does that, this tour is a mockery of what it could be.
Second, if the proceeds from this tour were going towards Africa relief there would be significantly less flak for him to catch - as valuable as exposure is (really, I am thankful that he would do that) the fact remains that money talks. I just worry that many of the people who pay for tickets believe that their money is going someplace more important than Bono's pockets; it's real easy to get caught up thinking that you're helping, when in actuality you're just seeing a few high-visibility bands and making the money men even richer.
If Geldof took one, two, (hell, is five too much to ask?) dollars per ticket and helped to fund relief efforts (you know - education, medical facilities, clothes), he could have just put millions of dollars towards righting some serious issues. Until he does that, this tour is a mockery of what it could be.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The tickets were free, the bands were not payed for performing.
Twenty years ago, we tried simply throwing money at the problem. Now, it is clear that just throwing money at the problem will not solve it. Live8 set out to raise awareness about the G8 summit and pressure those leaders in to doing something about it. Time will tell if it was a success, but the fact that Blair is going in to the meeting with such a hardline approach and 13 European countries have so far agreed to increase their income spent on aid to 0.7% counts for something.
Of course most of you guys will know what the G8 is, but many more people did not. Hell, i didn't know about the G8 summit until Live8 brought it to my attention. I know a load of other people in the same situation as me, and a number of them are going up to Edinburgh for the big march. If i wasn't commited to other things, i would probably be going with them.
Do you think that everybody who went would give a dollar at the door? I couldn't see anybody having a problem with that, and it certainly would not hurt things. Hospitals and schools need to be built. People need clothes. Most places need electricity and water. Handing utilities to the rulers will not work - that was demonstrated clearly enough in Bosnia - but other steps can be taken and they should be taken.
Raising awareness is an important first step and, for that, I admire Geldof. I just don't admire the fact that he isn't yet taking the logical second step that is completely within his means.
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Where does the money (Dollars-Euro-Whatsoever) that those gentlemen have come from? (remember they live in crappy countries with zero economiacl power most of them)
If they are so corrupt , who corrupts them? (Who pay $$$ in order to have economical benefits in those countries , like selling products at low prizes (Dumping) ?
Excuse my lame English , Im just a third-world newbie.