Aliens Always Win, So Why Play The Game?

RodriguezRodriguez Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8199Members
Aliens ALWAYS win, so I'm playing less and less, just for the ambience if you know what I mean. Maybe once every week nowadays.

This game is getting old so fast.

And yes I suck as a marine, as almost everybody does. Get the point?

Bye (not reading answers to this post sorry)
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  • creaping_deathcreaping_death Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8008Members
    lol must be the sever his on
    True fully I find at the moment about 1 out of three games marines win

    <b> Disclaimer </b> this only goes by only my playing experience (don't have access to any real statistics)
  • MrBatmanMrBatman Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7176Members
    Too bad you're not reading answers to this post. You might learn something.

    I played 5 games tonight, and the marines won every single game. Of course two of them they deserved to win because the aliens were just playing stupidly, but the other three were hard-fought battles.
  • DunsbyDunsby Join Date: 2002-08-01 Member: 1042Awaiting Authorization
    <!--QuoteBegin--Rodriguez+Nov 23 2002, 05:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rodriguez @ Nov 23 2002, 05:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Aliens ALWAYS win, so I'm playing less and less, just for the ambience if you know what I mean. Maybe once every week nowadays.

    This game is getting old so fast.

    And yes I suck as a marine, as almost everybody does. Get the point?

    Bye (not reading answers to this post sorry)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Words of a ignarant little boy.
  • greydmiyugreydmiyu Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9234Members
    Aliens always win? Tell that to the 4 alien teams tonight that all lost. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • SK_TygerSK_Tyger Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8644Members
    "damn, i ve tried this game a only few weeks, but I'm not yet a killing machine...
    it must be a bug with the game because I'm the best....
    Ok, I stop playing..."


    Don't u think thath NS is just has just so many possibilities that everybody need time to be good ?


    U won't do anything in your life if u stop at the first trouble <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->


    SK_Tyger, who keeps on playing =)
  • Justin_CaseJustin_Case Join Date: 2002-08-08 Member: 1114Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--SK_Tyger+Nov 23 2002, 12:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SK_Tyger @ Nov 23 2002, 12:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->U won't do anything in your life if u stop at the first trouble <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I know you meant that in a nice way(well I think so anyway) but in most cases comments pisses people off much more than they help. On the other hand what do I know, maybe that was the intention.
    Think about it yourself, if you complain about something and someone says something like that, dont you get murderous feelings?
  • bitninebitnine Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9283Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Rodriguez+Nov 23 2002, 07:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rodriguez @ Nov 23 2002, 07:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Bye (not reading answers to this post sorry)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You'll be missed, sir.
  • HannebambelHannebambel Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5416Banned
    I also saw marines winning. And I also played marines sometimes and won.
  • Dark_QuartzDark_Quartz Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7950Members
    Why do I feel like hes gonna read them anyways? IMO, losing as marines gives you more experience and knowledge on what and what not to do. The marines won quite a bit when I was on their side(when I wasnt a com that is <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->). Hehe, I remeber when we rushed the aliens in the beginning of the game when it shoulda been the skulks instead. Irony can be a big kick in the pants at times <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->.
  • Jeb3diahJeb3diah Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 6044Members
    Not true, joined the server as a marine last night in the middle of a game on bast. Aliens had 3 hives, marines only had spawn and atmospheric processing (dual node room). Made our way to feedwater, seiged it, made our way to the train tunnels/lower junction where they forced us back all the way to feedwater. We advanced again, established a better base then rushed in and took refinery. Then it was pretty easy to sweep through the rest of the map to win.
  • TuftyTufty Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 6605Members
    yeah i agree there is a bug in the game, its the same with cs and dod and every other that i am not the best player at. it stands to reason that there must be a fault because how in the world could a player as good as me lose?





    (mmm can you just feel the sarcasm?)
  • BattousaixBattousaix Join Date: 2002-06-25 Member: 822Members
    Im getting tired of this kind of posts.... so many **obscenity** in the community nowadays..........
    Learn the game and the balance will come...
  • InjuryInjury Mahou Shoujo Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 7992Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin--Rodriguez+Nov 23 2002, 12:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rodriguez @ Nov 23 2002, 12:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This game is getting old so fast.

    And yes I suck as a marine, as almost everybody does. Get the point?

    Bye (not reading answers to this post sorry)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Of course the game is getting old, it has been aging since it came out. If you're bored of it, no one is stopping you from moving on, but you really shouldn't flame a mod on its home board.

    How can you say almost everyone sucks as a Marine? There are undoubtedly great Marine players out there, and I'm sorry if you haven't met one of them yet. They're a pleasure to have on your team and always make the gaming experience fun. If you expect to win all the time, this probably isn't the mod for you.

    We all have our great victories here and by heck, we take our share of drubbings. A few bad experiences doesn't make a mod bad, just because you can't win doesn't mean you can't have fun. Who said winning is always fun? I like decisive victories as much as the next guy, but frankly, winning isn't everything.

    P.S. Aku! Soku! Zan! ..The answer to everything, Himura-san.
  • UnknownUnknown Join Date: 1970-01-01 Member:
    Actually marines rule. Yesterday evening i was playing marine on a server, i had HMG and HA, and i killed 2 onos <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
    Too bad armor went to 0 and no one of the wealder guys knew that you can repair armors too and i got killed by a lerk =/

    But I enjoy losing sometimes. As a marine, of course. I love when the base is rushed by onoses, i hide below one of them and start stabbing with a knife, and they think theyre being killed by turrets. Lol. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • UngaBungaUngaBunga Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 6191Members
    edited November 2002
    The only time I've lost as an alien is when we've had incompetent gorges. I typically play as a Skulk to harass the marines and keep them from expanding. I love to play gorge but it seems that when I do go gorge then over 50% of the team ends up going gorge as well. That leads to imminent doom for the aliens.

    The real problem is that the first minutes of the game are the most critical. Poor decisions or indecision will cost precious time and often precious resources. I find it a complete waste of time to continue playing once it becomes obvious that such grievous errors have been and continue to be made. At least on the marines team you can vote a commander out... too bad the aliens can't vote people off of gorge. I can't tell you how many times I've played only to have some incompetent play as gorge and build solitary offense chambers scattered haphazardly around the map. I even had the displeasure to join an alien team the other day where they had already build 3 hives but not one upgrade chamber and only two extra resource collectors. With no resources available, having three hives did us absolutely no good. Meanwhile the marines had methodically taken key resource points and researched heavy armor and hmg. Needless to say that game was over despite the three hives.

    Marines stand a good chance when the aliens are crippled by inexperienced gorges. Otherwise, the only real hope that the marines have is that they can acquire an empty hive and enough resources to equip their team with ha/jetpack and hmg before the fades come knocking.
  • NumbersNotFoundNumbersNotFound Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7556Members
    It boils down to murphys law...

    Very rarely am I on the winning team (it happens, mostly on aliens, but it does happen)

    If i join marine, we lose, if i join aliens, we also lose.

    I know it's not me, because as marine i do what im' told and as alien i make defencies as a gorg and make hives etc.

    Just dumb luck i suppose.
  • LarofeticusLarofeticus Join Date: 2002-10-30 Member: 1764Members
    hmm most of the replies here seem to be "stfu whining newb" but, the past few days experience incline me to agree with the attitude "aliens always win" but modified, "aliens usually win" i'd say. I blame the carapace armor negation bug. I've experienced it from both sides, as a fade, I can do an insane amount of harm, much more than i should be able to do, and then casually blink away to heal. As a marine, when these fades come, there is almost nothing that can be done about it, save the gung ho suicide run, which really shouldn't be a nessecary tactic to have any hope of taking down a fade.

    Lately i've played marines 80% of the time, just to try and get them to win once. Sometimes I command, sometimes I don't. Sometimes my fellow marines have been very teamwork oriented, certainly much more than the opposing alien team. What i've learned, in a game where all sides have a basic knowledge of the game, and each is moderately skilled and teamwork oriented, the aliens will win 95% of the time. The main cause of this, in a conflict between a fade with statistics as it stands now and 2 - 3 marines with equipment avalable at a comperable time to when fades are, say shotguns, and a couple upgrades, the fade still has a greater than half chance of killing them all and surviving. The only way to make up for a tech mismatch like this is teamwork, but it shouldn't require clan level teamwork for a marine team to beat a group of pubbers.

    Oh, and don't call me a bad marine. That won't invalidate my point.
  • BedwettingTypeBedwettingType Join Date: 2002-07-26 Member: 1001Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--bitnine+Nov 24 2002, 10:00 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (bitnine @ Nov 24 2002, 10:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--Rodriguez+Nov 23 2002, 07:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rodriguez @ Nov 23 2002, 07:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Bye (not reading answers to this post sorry)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You'll be missed, sir.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You broke my sarcasm detector.
  • MithStriferMithStrifer Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8587Members
    edited November 2002
    Ummm sorry but I agree with him mostly everytime I have gone marines, I have lost, sometimes marines acutally do win. I was playing and I played for 6 games, Aliens won all 6. Even in one game, we had 2 hives covered with turrets and marines, they destroyed them, got Fades and it was over.

    I find it really hard when I see myself do good on marines say something like a 1.70 K:D Ratio, but when I go 36-1 with a Fade and then end the game 48-2, there is something wrong.

    And its not hard for Aliens to win when all they use is Acid Rocket and sometimes Umbra
  • SkWyReLSkWyReL Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9360Members
    <b>Here it is plain and simple:</b>

    The aliens will lose if they have no strategy and the humans do.
    The humans will lose if they have no strategy and the aliens do.
    The aliens will win if they both have a strategy.
    The humans will win if they have more players.
    It will be fun if we all shut up about this and play.



    .:SkWyReL:.
  • QUADQUAD Join Date: 2002-07-17 Member: 963Members
    edited November 2002
    Balance issue complaint threads like this are so common now, I say everyone should just bear no heed, don't waste those precious few seconds of your life trying to prove somthing that needs no proving. So for the last time, I say, It's not the balance that is the problem, <b>It is the skill of the players.</b>
  • LarofeticusLarofeticus Join Date: 2002-10-30 Member: 1764Members
    Quad you're wrong. When skill is equal, aliens win. It <b>IS</b> the balance.

    By your logic, everyone is a skilled alien, and nobody is a skilled marine.
  • ShockehShockeh If a packet drops on the web and nobody&#39;s near to see it... Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->By your logic, everyone is a skilled alien, and nobody is a skilled marine. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Unfortunately, that statement is to some extent true though.

    Because ALL the n00bs gravitate to marine, and sit whining for a HMG & Armour even though they can't kill a Skulk.
  • LarofeticusLarofeticus Join Date: 2002-10-30 Member: 1764Members
    Just because all "n00bs" are marines, doesn't imply all marines are "n00bs."
  • InjuryInjury Mahou Shoujo Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 7992Banned
    Even the manual (I'm assuming that <b>I'm</b> not the only one who enjoys reading manuals) recommends that new players - or newbies as you have it - join the Marines. Most of the experienced players are usually forced to go Kharaa due to the fact that being human is "more fun" or "cooler". It seems the majority of the games I join, everyone wants to be a Marine, teams end up 9-6 in the first fifteen minutes, then the Marines start leaving the game when they can't make any headway. While I'm sure there's experienced Marine players, the majority of people I recognize from my first few days of playing, are on the alien team at least 95% of the time.

    I happen to agree with Quad and Squirrel here, because the skill of the players really does matter. Obviously a Skulk making a beeline for your face is more likely to die than one patiently waiting on an overhang for you to pass by.

    P.S. Er... I was going to type more, but my roomates are dragging me out to lunch.
  • DraxoDraxo Join Date: 2002-11-22 Member: 9653Members
    Thats funny.. i only ever seen aliens win twice o.O

    every other time, marines won.. tho it is sometimes a pretty fought out battle
  • MithStriferMithStrifer Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8587Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Shockwave+Nov 23 2002, 02:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Shockwave @ Nov 23 2002, 02:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Because ALL the n00bs gravitate to marine, and sit whining for a HMG & Armour even though they can't kill a Skulk.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    All I ask for is mines <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> I'll stick with my LMG. I can take out Skulks out, Lurks and Gorges I just have trouble with Fades which you need HMG and HA.


    I think that Aliens should have to share there resources like the Marines do, cause I think thats what gives them a bit of a advantage. All they would have to do is lower the cost of Onos, Fades, and Lurks. An Alien can gain resoruces quick, the longer you stay alive the more you will get. Then you can easily turn into whatever you want. Defense Chambers help the aliens out alot too, being able to attack, kill some marines and go back for a heal, and repeat.
  • ShockehShockeh If a packet drops on the web and nobody&#39;s near to see it... Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    On a Fade note, I've just been accused of cheating, AGAIN!

    For cloaking as Fade and keep killing HMG/HA's by circle strafing them from behind, so I get in like 5-6 hits before they even get me in front of them.

    *Sigh*

    And I didn't say all Marines were n00bs. But a greater % of marines are n00b than the % of n00b aliens. Hence, marine teams tend to comprise more rambos. Who lose. Miserably. To me. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • MithStriferMithStrifer Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8587Members
    lol Well a noob Alien is way better then a noob marine.
  • ShockehShockeh If a packet drops on the web and nobody&#39;s near to see it... Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    Yeah, but that's probably because that n00b alien has just come from playing a Marine for a while, so he now knows the principles in advance.

    Like, the basics of the map layout (I get lost all the frikkin time STILL!)
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