Bcmp Decries Loss Of Canadian Sovereignty
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by Kirk Tousaw (30 Jul, 2005)
Help free Marc Emery from American tyrany
Imprisoned activist Marc Emery
Today the offices of the BC Marijuana Party, a registered political party in British Columbia, were caught up in a DEA-instigated raid. The raid is a dramatic example of the loss of Canadian sovereignty to the US drug war. The focus of the US drug war is marijuana, with over 750,000 annual possession charges laid and draconian penalties for possession, cultivation and sales of the plant. Until today, Canada took a different approach.
Unfortunately, the Canadian governement appears to have abdicated its sovereignty to the United States. Most Canadian (and, indeed, most Americans) do not agree with with the war on marijuana users. It is a dark day when Canadian municipal police officers are called upon to do the bidding of US masters.
This raid must serve as a call to arms. Canada is losing the ability to independently create its drug policy, despite reams of scientific and empirical evidence that prohibition is more dangerous than a regulated approach to cannabis distribution. The battle for freedom, equality and tolerance must be fought and won. We must not allow our Canadian way of life to be subjected to the whim of the US White House and its repressive policies.
The BCMP will continue to fight for the freedom of the cannabis community, both in Canada and abroad.
Contacts:
Kirk Tousaw, Campaign Manager
604.836.1420 (cell)
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Please Donate to Marc Emery's Legal Defense fund! Send contributions to:
CC Magazine
Box 15 - 199 West Hastings Street
Vancouver BC
V6B 1H4
Canada
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<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Canadian police acting under orders from US officials raided the headquarters of the British Columbia Marijuana Party (BCMP) in Vancouver on the morning of Friday, July 22.
The search warrants were authorized at the highest levels of the provincial government in concert with a cross-border US-Canada law enforcement pact created by a US-authored Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters treaty (MLAT) between the US and Canada.
The US has issued extradition orders for Marc Emery, who was arrested while traveling in Halifax to a hemp festival; two other Emery associates, including the media icon known as "Marijuana Man," were arrested in Vancouver.
Emery’s arrest was coordinated by Vancouver and Halifax drug agents working together with RCMP (Mounties) and DEA to surveil Emery’s cross-country movements minute by minute, according to statements made by Halifax police officials.
US officials claim that the investigation that led to the raid and arrests involved 50 DEA offices in many US states, as well as local and federal Canadian police forces.
In a major press conference held in Seattle, American officials accused Emery of "conspiracy to produce marijuana and distribute marijuana seeds, and money laundering."
The DEA and other agencies are claiming that by selling seeds to pot-growing Americans, Emery engaged in a criminal enterprise with the growers. In the eyes of his accusers, providing marijuana seeds is the same as selling marijuana produced from those seeds.
"Their activities resulted in the growing of tens of thousands of marijuana plants in America," claimed US federal attorney Jeff Sullivan. "[Emery] was involved, allegedly, in an illegal distribution of marijuana in [the United States.] He is a drug dealer."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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his business has funded hundreds of activists and he has given the last ten years of his life to the movement
our own government did this too us at the request of the DEA...disgusting
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by Kirk Tousaw (30 Jul, 2005)
Help free Marc Emery from American tyrany
Imprisoned activist Marc Emery
Today the offices of the BC Marijuana Party, a registered political party in British Columbia, were caught up in a DEA-instigated raid. The raid is a dramatic example of the loss of Canadian sovereignty to the US drug war. The focus of the US drug war is marijuana, with over 750,000 annual possession charges laid and draconian penalties for possession, cultivation and sales of the plant. Until today, Canada took a different approach.
Unfortunately, the Canadian governement appears to have abdicated its sovereignty to the United States. Most Canadian (and, indeed, most Americans) do not agree with with the war on marijuana users. It is a dark day when Canadian municipal police officers are called upon to do the bidding of US masters.
This raid must serve as a call to arms. Canada is losing the ability to independently create its drug policy, despite reams of scientific and empirical evidence that prohibition is more dangerous than a regulated approach to cannabis distribution. The battle for freedom, equality and tolerance must be fought and won. We must not allow our Canadian way of life to be subjected to the whim of the US White House and its repressive policies.
The BCMP will continue to fight for the freedom of the cannabis community, both in Canada and abroad.
Contacts:
Kirk Tousaw, Campaign Manager
604.836.1420 (cell)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Please Donate to Marc Emery's Legal Defense fund! Send contributions to:
CC Magazine
Box 15 - 199 West Hastings Street
Vancouver BC
V6B 1H4
Canada
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<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Canadian police acting under orders from US officials raided the headquarters of the British Columbia Marijuana Party (BCMP) in Vancouver on the morning of Friday, July 22.
The search warrants were authorized at the highest levels of the provincial government in concert with a cross-border US-Canada law enforcement pact created by a US-authored Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters treaty (MLAT) between the US and Canada.
The US has issued extradition orders for Marc Emery, who was arrested while traveling in Halifax to a hemp festival; two other Emery associates, including the media icon known as "Marijuana Man," were arrested in Vancouver.
Emery’s arrest was coordinated by Vancouver and Halifax drug agents working together with RCMP (Mounties) and DEA to surveil Emery’s cross-country movements minute by minute, according to statements made by Halifax police officials.
US officials claim that the investigation that led to the raid and arrests involved 50 DEA offices in many US states, as well as local and federal Canadian police forces.
In a major press conference held in Seattle, American officials accused Emery of "conspiracy to produce marijuana and distribute marijuana seeds, and money laundering."
The DEA and other agencies are claiming that by selling seeds to pot-growing Americans, Emery engaged in a criminal enterprise with the growers. In the eyes of his accusers, providing marijuana seeds is the same as selling marijuana produced from those seeds.
"Their activities resulted in the growing of tens of thousands of marijuana plants in America," claimed US federal attorney Jeff Sullivan. "[Emery] was involved, allegedly, in an illegal distribution of marijuana in [the United States.] He is a drug dealer."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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his business has funded hundreds of activists and he has given the last ten years of his life to the movement
our own government did this too us at the request of the DEA...disgusting
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Ha, i should create a discussion about alex jones <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Heh, canada has soverignty?
As far the war on drugs, that's a whole 'nother issue and just another war to fight for the government. It's always some god damn war we "HAVE" to fight. What the hell is so bad about pot anyways, why are they so afriad of it... its this just more "IT'LL MAKE YOU GO CRAZY!!!" kind of like how masturbation was viewed in the early 20th century, based on superstition and religious nonsense?
I want to join your cause - do you think you could make me one of those awesome sigs that dispell all of the lies that the american goverment would have you believe?
How is this even outrage-worthy?
I would also like a signature showing my enlightment to The Matrix. We're all fueling computers, you know.
Seriously I don't see the big deal here; this guy broke American laws and got what he deserved.
I wouldn't be outraged if an American in the NRA went to Canada to sell guns illegally and our government punished him on Canadian request.
BC Marijuana Party....pardon me for laughing, but most Americans see this and are sure to think it’s a joke.
Find something more important to worry about, I hear theres starving children in Africa that need rock concerts badly.
its an advert for a movie by the way
alex jones backs up what he says, does that mean i beleive or rely on everything he says, hell no, id love to get deeper on this but im missing about six keys right now and i hate on-screen keyboard
so why should emery be punished in america for something legal in canada? If we want to get into the fact that the laws are unjust we can
he ships plant seeds he isn't crack dealer and there are thousands of seed companies, the war on drugs targeted him because he made a difference in the struggle
i elect my government not yours so your enforcment should not effect me unless im in your country
"True, the Founding Fathers had provided for a specific right to bear arms, but the only reason they'd nothing to say to about the right to plant seeds (was)... because it never would have occurred to them that any state might care to abridge that right. After all, they were writing on hemp paper."
- Michael Pollan, quoting California flower grower, Will Fulton. Harper's Magazine, April
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Thank god someone summarized it. I was afraid I'd never get a clear explanation.
One big point is being missed, Marc is NOT american. As far as I can tell he has not spent any time or done anything significant IN america.
To me, this is a very big point. We now have canadian law enforcement arresting a canadian citizen at the request of the DEA, which is VERY different from arresting an amercian citizen who has fled to canada.
As a canadian, this does concern me. However, I expect nothing really to come of this. In this case canada will play sidekick to the DEA to keep america happy, especially with the strain our relations suffered with canada not supporting america on invading iraq.
Taken alone, this is an incident of the DEA "leaning" on canada to get this arrest. In the large picture though, this is just another line on the page of canadian-american relations, and a small line at that.
Diazo
As surely as reasa pointed out, if an American citizen had been exporting guns via mail to Canadian citizens, Canadian authorties may <i>ask</i> us to take him down, and we probably would. It's called world politics. Later on down the road when Canada needs something, like say, 100 M1A2 tanks or something, they can be like "remember the time...?"
its not his business WHO buys his seeds, he gets orders and fills them with his 100% legal business from which the canadian government has collected large amounts of tax money over the past 10 years
there are literaly thousands of seed companies that ship to the us, none of them have been usted like this...ever
he is the member of a recognized political party and has used the money from his business too fund that party and various legal fees for activists, he doesn't even own a house all his money goes right into the movement....this is why he ws targeted
Even within the USA there are such things. If I get an order form in my hands to sell a gun, then I have to know what the regulations are for gun sale in the state i'm shipping to.
I'm sure Columbians selling drugs to the US are perfectly innocent because they just got an order form too, right?
If he had an actual store in Canada where people had to walk in and buy the seeds then carry them back across the border then you'd have a point, but if HE'S the one shipping them across the border then he's the one at fault.
Umm Duh?
When the cop pulls you over for speeding you don't get out of a ticket by telling him everyone else was going just as fast as you were.
Why not go for the biggest fish in the pond, sets an example for all the little ones.
Honestly I think this man needs better things to do with his time, most Americans aren't going to respect a man who seems far too overzealous about smoking pot.
I find it hard to believe many Canadians respect this guy.
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Um--its NOT 100% legal if he sells these seeds to people in a country where they are banned. And when he gets an order form with a mailing address in the US, it is very much his responsibility to know what US customs laws say about mailing marijuana here. In fact, I'm guessing he DID know what US customs laws said, and intentionally filled out fraudulent customs forms to hide the fact he was shipping weed.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->there are literaly thousands of seed companies that ship to the us, none of them have been usted like this...ever<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thats because most seed companies dont include controlled substances in their shipments...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->there are literaly thousands of seed companies that ship to the us, none of them have been usted like this...ever<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thats because most seed companies dont include controlled substances in their shipments...
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seed companies ship seeds, please explain
What kind of seeds? Tomato?
Now this.
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Your hardly being controlled and regulated.
Blame your own government if you want, they didn't have to do what the US asked.
Of course that would be stupid because you're bound to need a favor from us in the future so why give us a reason to reject it over some petty politically active, law breaking, drug peddler.
One of those two things is legal for sale to everyone in the United States, regardless of age. One of those two things has caused a Canadian politician to be deported and arrested by United States' officials at the DEA.
(neither one is a good thing to purchase, so dont)
I'd say there is definite cause for outrage.
Indeed.
I've written many an angry letter to the Robitussin people to put larger warning labels on their cough syrup...but do they listen no!
I'm outraged. Grrrr.
One of those two things is legal for sale to everyone in the United States, regardless of age. One of those two things has caused a Canadian politician to be deported and arrested by United States' officials at the DEA.
(neither one is a good thing to purchase, so dont)
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US drug laws are silly. There, I said it. I think we can (mostly) all agree on that one.
But as long as US drug laws are in place, people still have to abide by them while conducting business in the US! How hard of a concept is that to grasp?
But as long as US drug laws are in place, people still have to abide by them while conducting business in the US! How hard of a concept is that to grasp? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree completely.
I think marijuana should be legalized, that being said, I hate pot heads....so very, very much.
I also hate people who become obsessed with marijuana, it becomes their entire lives, and consequently their lives become worthless and I wish a quick painless death upon them simply for the benefit of society.
You will still have these people whether marijuana is legal or not, it’s just with it being illegal we’re wasting money trying to stop something we can’t.
However as you said, as long as it is our law, you can be punished for breaking it.
One of those two things is legal for sale to everyone in the United States, regardless of age. One of those two things has caused a Canadian politician to be deported and arrested by United States' officials at the DEA.
(neither one is a good thing to purchase, so dont)
I'd say there is definite cause for outrage. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you break the laws of a foreign country while in said foreign country you face their legal system, not your own. Just because someone's travelling outside their place of citizenship doesn't give them some magical form of diplomatic immunity. That doesn't meant the law isn't stupid...but that doesn't mean you should break it either.
That said: I'm all for the legalization of marijuana...then the cops would have something remotely important to spend their time on. Like...I don't know...robberies, murders, rapes, heroin abuse, gang activity, child pornography, genetic engineering of dinosaurs on off-shore islands, foreign and domestic terrorism, arson, vandalism...
[exaggeration]"OMG, he's got a joint, open fire - take him down!"
*blam* *blam* *blam*
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It's not worse than tobacco or alcohol any times I've seen it used (and no, it wasn't by me; I abhor the idea of putting anything on fire in my mouth...unless it's a marshmallow).