War in Lebanon
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Of course, the Hisbolah started this conflict by kidnapping two israelian soldiers BUT you can't stop kidnappers by bombing roads, bridges, etc. They'll still find a way to escape, maybe they even already were far away when the attack begun.
Total overreaction by Israel.
Southern Lebanon has been basically a terrorist state within a nation for awhile now. Periodically launching missiles into Israeli villages, kidnapping settlers, and sending in suicide bombers.
Israel has stated that its goal in this operation is to completely dismantle Hezbollah in Lebanon. Perhaps if the Lebanese government wasn't so corrupt they would use their military to help Israel rid their land of the terrorists. Of course they won’t because they would much rather discreetly support Hezbollah in their war with Israel and then sit on their hands like innocent children and cry when Israel blows up something in their cities.
Up until kidnapping Israeli soldiers for no other reason then provocation became the cool thing to do, Israel had been very peaceful and conciliatory. But for moronic radicals driven by nothing but an unrealistic ideology nothing but the complete and utter destruction of Israel will satisfy them. Even though they have as much chance of defeating Israel as Stephen Hawking does versus Mike Tyson in a cage match.
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The amount of Arab-Israeli hostility in the mideast is a frighteningly monstrous entity, only increasing as time wears on. With the current wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the nuclear weapons debacle in Iran rattling the hornets nest, so to speak, we are seeing considerably more influence from western powers in the region, and this current engagement between Israel and Lebanon seems to me like Israel's attempt to make it very clear to its neighbors that it most certainly still has fangs, and has no intention of being "Wiped off the map" any time soon.
Yeah right, that sounds about fair.
The Israeli behave like fascists. Their actions are a disgrace to mankind.
So Israel invades a soveregn nation while bombing the infrastructure needed to support that country's population to smitherens, while bombing the hell out of another neighbour's infrastructure. To retrieve two kidnapped soldiers.
Yeah right, that sounds about fair.
The Israeli behave like fascists. Their actions are a disgrace to mankind.
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Yeah because this is the very first act of provocation by Hezbollah directed toward Israel and not the most defiant in a long string of attacks that have been ongoing for a decade. Take a look at Israelis history; they are extremely protective of their citizens and soldiers.
You need to look at the bigger picture here. Literally days before Hezbollah kidnapped the two soldiers, terrorists in Gaza kidnapped one Israeli soldier prompting Israel to mobilize. Now when the same thing happens literally days later, it would make the Israeli government look very weak and hypocritical not to act in a similar fashion.
The Israelis have a right to self-defense. The world, let alone Israel, should not tolerate a <b>terrorist</b> organization to control the entire southern portion of a “sovereign” nation. This is a problem that has been festering for years. Lebanon is both unable and unwilling to remove Hezbollah from its territory, thus in the interests of national security, Israel must do it for them.
At the moment Syria is being bombed, Lebanon is being bombed, Lebanon has been invaded and a large-scale invasion is being planned on the same. 500,000 are fleeing their homes in Lebanon and those who cannot flee are without food and water because of the demolishing of infrastructure.
In the west bank there is a shortage of water and food since the bombings earlier this summer, and parts of it is still impossible to access for aid deliveries due to a destroyed infrastructure.
Israel is a war-mongering fascist machine and no amount of stick-and-stone throwing by those driven from their homes can justify their offensive military actions, terrorising of the civilian population of all their neighbours and ethnical cleansing in Israel proper.
P.S. And calling Isreal 'very peaceful and conciliatory' is uninformed and extremely biased.
Israel is a war-mongering fascist machine
P.S. And calling Isreal 'very peaceful and conciliatory' is uninformed and extremely biased.
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Oh, OK, thank you for your informed and completely unbiased contribution. Anyone else with some non-delusional rational opinions care to weigh in?
Edit: Also I'd like to see some proof of Syria being bombed in this recent conflict, I can't find anything to support that, and I have been following this conflict very closely, I think you just made that up.
Also please back up your claims of so called "ethnic cleansing" that Israelis have engaged in.
As delicious as the irony of using WWII Nazi metaphors in comparison to Israel is, it helps if they aren't bullshit.
[edit] Whatever, you believe dirving 500,000 people in Lebanon from their homes and bombing the entire southern part of the country to be justifiable. Meanwhile I'll stand by my opinion of Israel being a war-mongering fascist country.
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Well what do you propose Israel do? Should they do nothing when their soldiers are kidnapped? How would you have reacted? Keep in mind that Southern Lebanon is controlled by Hezbollah (a terrorist organization sworn to the destruction of Israel) not the Lebanese government. Not that the Lebanese government cares about Israel, just making sure you know the difference.
Also I'm still waiting for evidence to back up your claims of Syria being bombed and Israel engaging in ethnic cleansing, which is just a nice way of saying genocide.
So if Swedish terrorists kidnapped two american citizens, would you consider USA bombing Stockholm to bits and landing troops there to be a justifiable response?
And ethnical cleansing is getting rid of an unwanted element in the society, whether that is driving them off or killing them outright.
like pluto. fedex ships to pluto, right?
Also, it was the roads from lebanon to syria that were bombed, there was one road left untouched, supposidly to allow civilians to get out.
It's also Hizballah, and Hezb'Allah <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
Christ, you'd think they'd decide on spelling =/
The reason the lebanese government won't do anything against them, is because in the late 80's the hizballah removed/tried to israel, along with the US and french forces and another (I can't for the life of me remember), from lebanon.
And as the Shia communities official army, could possible eclipse the lebanon army.
MORE EDITS! -> The status of terrorist organisation is still alleged, although its easy for the media to distort any action by muslim armed forces to terrorism following the events so far this century.
I dont think you're getting this. They've bombed half a country to bits and forced 500 000 people to flee. That's the entire city of Stockholm.
So if Swedish terrorists kidnapped two american citizens, would you consider USA bombing Stockholm to bits and landing troops there to be a justifiable response?
And ethnical cleansing is getting rid of an unwanted element in the society, whether that is driving them off or killing them outright.
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I don't think you get it. The kidnapping of the two soldiers is only one in a long, long list of attacks and transgressions Hezbollah has launched from Southern Lebanon. Think of it as the straw that broke the camels back.
No shit this war has forced civilians to flee, maybe if I was entirely ignorant of history that fact would impress me. Show me a war that didn't affect civilians negatively in some way. Are you saying no nation should ever defend itself because it might screw up the lives of civilians?
Also Israel has not bombed Beirut to bits, nor has it put troops in the capital, so stop exacerbating. Do you get your news from Al Jazeera?
I'm afraid your post only gets 1 out of a possible 5 Stars of David: <a href="http://israeldownvotes.ytmnd.com/" target="_blank">http://israeldownvotes.ytmnd.com/</a>
Also Israel has not bombed Beirut to bits
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It only looks like they have, because it was never fixed up after the last time.
It only looks like they have, because it was never fixed up after the last time.
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I'm afraid this is ignorant and untrue. Beirut has undergone extensive reconstruction since the civil war more than 10 years ago, and now its getting demolished again.
Personally I wish the USA would get an ###### kicking just to smack bush in the face. The fact that we butt into other countries business and we try to control the world is complete and utter BS..
I swear im gonna move to Aussie land.. no one messes with them and their country isnt made up of Power hungry Nazis
fake edit: if syria and iran jump in this war i bet everyone a million dollars we will jump in to help take out BALALALALALA
Olmy olmy olmy, by now I'd hope you know my sense of humour.
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Curse you <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" /> .
There was a humerous picture in the paper yesterday, showing:
Under the heading 'Nations not calling for a cease fire in Lebanon'
The flags of Israel - United Kingdom - United States are here
Under the heading 'Nations calling for a cease fire in Lebanon'
<Every other nation in the worlds flag>
Its a good thing though, that the media doesn't support this conflict, that may be whats needed to stay the hands of Blair and Bush.
This also may or may not be relevant, depending on what you believe, its one of Nostradamus' prophecies:
"Out of the country of Greater Arabia Shall be born a strong master of Mohammed,
He will enter Europe wearing a blue turban.
He will be the terror of mankind.
Never more horror. "
I don't know how much credibility is in his writings, but he was correct about the war with Napoleon, the American Revolution, the Civil War, the rise and the fall of Hitler, events in the British monarchy, and the assassinations of US presidents.
Remember his dates are off, since he read the stars, and - along with everyone else - believed the world spun on its axis perfectly and not with a wobble.
I know i shouldnt wish that upon my own country but its what we need to put ourselves in our own places. We are only 1 country/1 nation whatever you'd like to call it and we are trying to control the world, by bombing other countries and making them install a democracy goverment( if democracy is the word i just woke up) bush wants our goverment installed in every country just so its easier for him to control them.
If you think about it he is doing everything hitler did. He is on his way to it anyway. You got afgan, and iraq.
Considering these wars are stupid cause all the kids in these countries are going to grow up and hate us even more for killing their fathers in these wars.. its a never ending cycle. Personally I believe if Bush could he would just drop a few atomic bombs in the middleeast and say GG i win.
Hell if iran and syria dont shape up i see us going to war with them in the future, if we dont we will deff hit lebanon and help israel if either of the 2 countries jump in and try to stop them from taking out these terrorist.
As for north korea and talks I used to think their president wouldnt do anything to screw up his power on the throne but i dont think talks are going to stop him from testing missles out in the oceans along with ceasing his nuclear program. I'm not 100% sure but i think the talks are still going on but he has already stated he will not stop any of his programs.
No, USA needs an enemy to continue to allow it's leader's to do whatever it is they wish to do. Same with Israel. The only way their policies of isolation can survive is by being constantly in war. If there is no enemy - make one.
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Yeah, Israel doesn’t have any real enemies at all to worry about. In fact if there was ever a country with so little enemies that they had to start pissing off countries just to make some, it would be Israel. <img src="http://xs304.xs.to/xs304/06301/rolleyes.gif" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />
I mean aside from being invaded by nearly every Arab country twice I think they have some pretty friendly neighbors.
Here read up: <a href="http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0804479.html" target="_blank">http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0804479.html</a>
Also could you please explain what you mean by "policies of isolation"?
This also may or may not be relevant, depending on what you believe, its one of Nostradamus' prophecies:
"Out of the country of Greater Arabia Shall be born a strong master of Mohammed,
He will enter Europe wearing a blue turban.
He will be the terror of mankind.
Never more horror. "
I don't know how much credibility is in his writings, but he was correct about the war with Napoleon, the American Revolution, the Civil War, the rise and the fall of Hitler, events in the British monarchy, and the assassinations of US presidents.
Remember his dates are off, since he read the stars, and - along with everyone else - believed the world spun on its axis perfectly and not with a wobble.
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There's a lot fo Biblical evidence regarding this too. Whether you wish to refer to it as the end times/armageddon etc, the Middle East is a huge sign of that. Isaac's descendants, the Jewish nation, and Ishmael's decendants, the arabs, were cursed to war with one another without end. Ishmael was prophecied in Genesis 16:11b-12: <i>You shall name him Ishmael, for the Lord has heard of your misery. 12 He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers</i>. Although I'll state now I'm no expert, nor enthusiast of end times debate, nor am I proclaiming that the end is nigh. However, I do watch the Middle East closely, as many of the signs and implications originate for there.
I think Israel is acting on a true threat in going after Hizballah. However, I believe this for Iraq as well, but Israel (and the US) seem to allow much higher innocent casualties in the Middle East as Collateral Damage. I disagree with tjosan's blatantly skewed view of Israel, but I'm no fan of its actions. Arab casualties in these mid east conflicts are far too high on the civilian side, but the "Jewish/Christian" superpowers don't seem to show too much restraint. Just Yesterday I heard a report of two ambulances being hit in an air strike, and now the Red Cross refuses to go out of Beirut for fear of their personnel. With all the high tech weponry and recon Israel has, they can tell two ambulances when they see them.
I don't know what to say on this conflict as a whole, however. I don't care for the US's blind support of Israel, and we should be harsh on the civilian death toll, but it would seem hypocritical considering our actions in Iraq. I want terrorism to be uprooted, but these current actions will only anger some and add to the ranks. I know a philosophy change is needed in working against terrorists, but I don't think it's quite as clear cut as the peace activists try to point out.
In short, all I can do is pray for all sides, and pray that God helps the leaders of these nations to find the resolution that can stop the bloodshed of the innocents.
As such, I hearby upgrade this "conflict" to a "significant historical event."
There's a lot fo Biblical evidence regarding this too. Whether you wish to refer to it as the end times/armageddon etc, the Middle East is a huge sign of that. [...]
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Sorry, but this made me laugh.
I agree with the second half of your post though.
Isreal might weaken the Hisbollah, but they will gain a lot of new enemies. This war might stop the rocket attacks - it won't stop terrorist attacks, kidnapping, etc..
It makes me feel sick...'nuff said.
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Aside from feeling sick, the whole event makes me feel uninformed. This entire region is clearly full of history my highschool & college courses never covered.
There are times when this topic comes up between me & other people, and I find them using names like "Hamas" and "Hisbollah" interchangably. And I frankly don't know enough about either group to try to demonstrate a distinction of their methods or motives...