Jetpack+welder+health Kits = Dead Hive

Flak50CFlak50C Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7247Members
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<div class="IPBDescription">exploit or legit strategy?</div> I've seen similar things done with people getting on top of hives before, but today I played a game where this guy was ridiculous.

He'd fly over all our defenses, land directly atop the hive and start welding. The commander spammed health kits. He was virtually unkillable.

The skirt of the hive extends so far out acid rockets barely touched him. He killed our hives around 4 times (mostly the same one, we just rebuilt it) before the game ended.

At one point I had to de-evolve from a fade to a skulk just to get there to kill him, because acid rockets weren't damaging him at all... I'd see "+4 health" from the kits the commander was dropping after a volley of 5 rockets...

Its not like we were ignoring the hives either... one time he killed it we had 3 fades shooting at him...
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  • ShockehShockeh If a packet drops on the web and nobody&#39;s near to see it... Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    How about, go FUBAR their base, seeing as their comm (and a large portion of their rez) are currently revolving around this one guy.

    And what were the Lerk's doin? Snoozin? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • Flak50CFlak50C Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7247Members
    the two lerks we had were attacking their base... which coincidentally was on the other side of the map... by time they got back the hive was dead anyway from the welder...
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  • MadjaiMadjai Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2986Members
    couldnt you blink on top of the hive and rip him a new one?
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  • AhnteisAhnteis teh Bob Join Date: 2002-10-02 Member: 1405Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    This is why I refuse to give out jetpacks as a commander. Stunts like this DIScourage teamwork among marines and instead reward "yee-hah" rambo tactics. If only you could build offense chambers on the ceiling. =(
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  • Crazy_DogCrazy_Dog Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2701Members
    Try Building a tower on top the hive <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    In the refinery we were building siege cannons atop one hive <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • TheGunslingerTheGunslinger Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8126Members
    Important Fact: OCs shoot through hives.
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  • KhaimKhaim Join Date: 2002-06-28 Member: 841Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    you can also build OCs on top of hives
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  • DuoGodOfDeathDuoGodOfDeath Join Date: 2002-08-01 Member: 1044Members
    or before he kills it get 5 lerks and poison him till he just falls over like a dead fly :/
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  • JujiJuji Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9153Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->At one point I had to de-evolve from a fade to a skulk just to get there to kill him, because acid rockets weren't damaging him at all... I'd see "+4 health" from the kits the commander was dropping after a volley of 5 rockets...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I don't see how you can call this an exploit just because what he did forced you to de-evolve to a skulk to kill him.
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  • domesticxdisputedomesticxdispute Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2300Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Madjai+Nov 24 2002, 05:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Madjai @ Nov 24 2002, 05:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->couldnt you blink on top of the hive and rip him a new one?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Blinking on top of hive = stuck in hive
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  • InjuryInjury Mahou Shoujo Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 7992Banned
    I have to say I think this is an effective way of the Marines to destroy Hives. However, actual Jetpackers that can get into a Hive room before being torn a new one are few and far between, at least from what I've seen. So now the Marines have a new Anti-Kharaa strategy. Perhaps in the next version the Hive would secrete some corrosive acid to Marines touching it, all in all you have to admit the Marines did an effective job of neutralizing that Hive.
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  • othellothell Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4183Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Yes. Its a great tactice. I learned it just after NS came out and I wish I was able to use it more, but the truth is that if the aliens know wtf they're doing (e.g. continual containment), it wont happen.

    I'm tired of people getting their rears handed to them and then come here moaning and groaning because they were out played. Get a life people. That marine used everything he had the way they were meant to be used. If you strategy is not working try something different.
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  • Bicycle_Repair_ManBicycle_Repair_Man Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7926Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--Madjai+Nov 24 2002, 05:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Madjai @ Nov 24 2002, 05:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->couldnt you blink on top of the hive and rip him a new one?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Blinking on top of hive = stuck in hive<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yep, blinkin to the hive gets ya stuck...
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  • TenSixTenSix Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7932Members
    How about if a Lurk could fly into your base and start chmping away at your CC while you could only hit him for a piddly 4 damage every clip? That would suck wouldnt it?
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  • Bicycle_Repair_ManBicycle_Repair_Man Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7926Members
    How did the acid rocket only do 4 damage?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • SkorneSkorne Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9144Members
    If Aliens have a gorg near and have their second hive, get the gorg to start spamming mass Webs into the marine, that will give time for skulks to rush up there and stop marine. For those of you that don't know, Web paralizes the marine if hit directly and the effects stack. So instead of connecting the webs, just shoot it right at the marine. Simple.
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  • V_MANV_MAN V-MAN Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 6217Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--TheGunslinger+Nov 24 2002, 11:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TheGunslinger @ Nov 24 2002, 11:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Important Fact: OCs shoot through hives.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Wrong!! I use the jet pack and weld the hive tactic all the time and never get hit by the OCs below, their spit just hits the hive and doesn't pass through.

    Besides I see nothing wrong with this tactic it's a cheap (resource wise that is) way of taking out a hive and coming back from the death. At the very least it forces the aliens to divert units from a base siege away to defend the hive.
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  • Rabid_LlamaRabid_Llama Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4340Members
    I think this tactic is legitimate, as it would work "in real life" in this situation. If an actual marine had an actual jetpack and got on top of an alien hive with a welder, he would do some serious damage.
    An idea for how to stop it: if you've seen someone do it, and want to stop their next run, put some webbing up above your closest OC/DC farm. Hopefully he'll fly into it, be stopped, and die in a rain of acid. Then again, I don't know how webs treat jetpacks, or midair marines, and if he had his welder out and running, he might just torch straight through it.
    Just an idea. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • V_MANV_MAN V-MAN Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 6217Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Rabid Llama+Nov 25 2002, 02:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rabid Llama @ Nov 25 2002, 02:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->if he had his welder out and running, he might just torch straight through it.
    Just an idea. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Works like a charm <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • TestamentTestament Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4037Members
    I love jetpacks. Sadly comm's never research them. :/
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  • DemerzelDemerzel Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9181Members
    jetpacking marines can be very effective and very annoying. As an alien, killing one takes a fair bit of time and patience. As a comm, listening to peeps demand "Give me a jetpack" from 10s into the game can be annoying enough to never research them to spite them even though it might help. Especially as most will never use it for such an attacking tactic butjust to zoom around the map like a mad thing.
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  • TestamentTestament Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4037Members
    I use Jetpack to clear out infestations in vents alot of the time. I also use it to defend the base too. Skulks don't expect you hiding up in that vent/up on that pipe.
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  • sendersender Join Date: 2002-11-12 Member: 8337Members
    WTF some skulk made it into our base and managed to take out our Command Chair. We were winning too! This is lame, where is the teamwork in that? In future patches please remove the ability to bite the command chair. Thanks.
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  • GODLESSCOMMIEGODLESSCOMMIE Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5608Members
    edited November 2002
    <!--QuoteBegin--Rabid Llama+Nov 25 2002, 02:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rabid Llama @ Nov 25 2002, 02:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->put some webbing up above your closest OC/DC farm. Hopefully he'll fly into it, be stopped, and die in a rain of acid. Then again, I don't know how webs treat jetpacks, or midair marines, and if he had his welder out and running, he might just torch straight through it.
    Just an idea. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    the one time I ran into a web with a jetpack I fell to the ground and cursed( I thought I could hit one fly away and repeat)
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  • MadjaiMadjai Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2986Members
    youre supposed to aim above the hive when blinking, so youll hit the roof and land on the hive.
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  • SrCumferenceSrCumference Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3740Members
    Sender: There's a major difference here, all the commander needs to do is hop outta the chair and pop a round or two into the skulk and it's gone. There is no defense whatsoever for that skulk, there is, however, a plethora of things preventing that marine from being killed as easily. The comparison is very flawed.

    About the whole jetpack thing: Jetpack = flying. Flying = Fly. Fly + spider = dead fly
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  • Bicycle_Repair_ManBicycle_Repair_Man Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7926Members
    If you can't aim right at the marine, aim at the ceiling or next to him with the acid rocket.
    It should do more than 4 damage and kill him rather quick as he doesnt have ha!
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  • WykedWyked Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9158Members
    it doesnt help, and hopefully in a future patch this will get fixed.. ive done this tactic once.

    I jp'd to the top of a hive, sat there and welded it to death.. had 5 OC's 2 fades and a skulk all trying to kill me and i would take very small amounts of damage.. by the time the hive died i had taken about 30 points..

    I think its the same problem you get with humans in the vents and the hitboxes getting all messed up. It is cheap, and a respectable player shouldnt be doing it, because taking that little damage from near direct hits with acid and a skulk biting me the whole time means there is a bug somewhere.
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  • zodazoda Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7175Members
    good marines wiht jetpacks drive me insane
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  • othellothell Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4183Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--Wyked+Nov 24 2002, 11:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wyked @ Nov 24 2002, 11:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->it doesnt help, and hopefully in a future patch this will get fixed.. ive done this tactic once.

    I jp'd to the top of a hive, sat there and welded it to death.. had 5 OC's 2 fades and a skulk all trying to kill me and i would take very small amounts of damage.. by the time the hive died i had taken about 30 points..

    I think its the same problem you get with humans in the vents and the hitboxes getting all messed up. It is cheap, and a respectable player shouldnt be doing it, because taking that little damage from near direct hits with acid and a skulk biting me the whole time means there is a bug somewhere.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    LOL.... Thought police coming to get us. Please. Jetpacking up to the top of a hive is very effective. I've done it often, but ya know what?? I've died from it often too. Wanna know why? Because the other team did more than just look up there and say "uhhh.... I cant get to him. Where's the next marine?"
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