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GreyFlcn
Join Date: 2006-12-19 Member: 59134Members, Constellation
Join Date: 2006-12-19 Member: 59134Members, Constellation
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Another variety is an obs for a quick scan or two and phase tech very early on, then most often followed by armlab and a1 anyway.
Basically MT is something you either get straight away, or much later on (post two hives) unless you're swimming in res.
i usually go for armslab+armor 1 followed asap by phasegates
you will need the upgrades when the fades pop up, or at lest they will be very helpful
mt is a great gimmick but not strictly needed as the other options
aa is great, but if you not rushing for ha/jp you can afford to get aa later into the game when you have secured a stable res-base
Another important mile stone is w2, which is when your SGs can start doing some proper damage to fades. Never underestimate the effect of w2. Sometimes you need to choose between w2 and AA, and it depends somewhat on the hive you are going to push and whether or not you push at all. If you're going to take down the hive with shotguns then w2 would be more important than AA. The new patch (3.2) changes this a bit though since it's easier for marines post two hives, which leads me to believe that going the AA route (over a timely w2 tech) is a safer bet than before in case you need to choose.
in order of being built.
Phase 1:
1 IP
Armory
Obs
arms lab
Phase 2:
phase tech (as soon as this is done i immediatly lock down 2 hives with pg's and elec rts
nades
armour 1
aa
probably another IP or 2, depends on how the rines are going.
Phase 3: (this can be in random order)
rest of the arms lab updates (weaps 1, 2, 3 then armour upgrades)
mt
proto (HA, JP or both, depending on res income)
Hand grenades would nearly always be my first upgrade!
I like to get Arms Lab and A1 up and running straight away, and then I would tend to drop an Obs in the field since you can't scan when upgrading anymore <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
this is how i play.
in order of being built.
Phase 1:
1 IP
Armory
Obs
arms lab
Phase 2:
phase tech (as soon as this is done i immediatly lock down 2 hives with pg's and elec rts
nades
armour 1
aa
probably another IP or 2, depends on how the rines are going.
Phase 3: (this can be in random order)
rest of the arms lab updates (weaps 1, 2, 3 then armour upgrades)
mt
proto (HA, JP or both, depending on res income)
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Assuming thats sequencial.
Isn't it kind of a waste not to have Arms Lab and Armor 1 in the same "Phase" ?
W1 should never come before A1. One less bullet to kill a skulk is not a good trade off for being able to survive more than 1 parasite + 2 bites. As for the AA, most teams either rush it for early HMGs, or upgrade when their second hive push is in doubt. MT is useful, but it's expensive and time-consuming. Even if you rush it, by the time it's done upgrading, aliens are no longer all skulks.
IPs
Armoury
(small pause)
Obs + Pg tech
(small pause)
Armslab + A1
(tiny pause)
MT
(small pause)
W1
AA
W2, A2 (i seem to cap here most games) W3, A3
Summary: I usually lower prioritize AA and get MT + Upgrades.
My main reason for this is because AA has a very high probability (and is a prime target) of getting killed (atleast in the 8 vs 8 game i play), which loses 40 res and 3 minutes. Upgrades don't "fade away" like that, just the structure needs to be rebuilt. Also, I find that people know what they are doing are better with Shotguns and MT rather than HMG and no intel.
Just my $0.02 for this old thread <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />.
1. Arms Lab + Armor 1 (40 res)
2. Advanced Armory (30 res)
3. Motion Tracking (35 res)
Since Armor 1 will make the 3rd bite a must, armor 1 comes first. then AA as it is essential to kill onos or good fades, also researching HAs and JPs. MT is optional. Note that MT may help ur team react faster, they wont make you win. Although sometime its good to have MT when u locked down 2 hives, u may want to avoid sneaky gorges building hive and rush. i will get MT if i have spare res and i think that i am not asked to scan for sometime.
However, for most of the time, Granedes or phase tech will be the very first tech i research before a1.
2. Hand Nades
3. Armor 1
4. Phase Tech
5. Weapon 2
6. AA
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To kill an onos, you don't need AA, you need <u>teamwork</u>. And if you want to kill a fade, SGs with weapon 2 are really enough.
I know what you'll tell me: "I said "good" fades". I would just answer you that a good fade never die <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
To kill an onos, you don't need AA, you need <u>teamwork</u>. And if you want to kill a fade, SGs with weapon 2 are really enough.
I know what you'll tell me: "I said "good" fades". I would just answer you that a good fade never die <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
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wow did i just saw the word teamwork? this is what i hardly find in pubs <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":0" border="0" alt="wow.gif" /> . i wonder how many people would be smart enough to close the door the onos is going to pass through, even the comm is yelling out mad. thats why u need AA with hmgs for those who know what they are doing/aiming. one hive onos maybe easy. how about for those in the time of 2 hives? how to deal with stomping? "wheres the jp?" they gonna ask. it will soon be over if u didnt even have AA by the time 2nd hive comes up. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> more importantly, its easy to get ejected if u dun have AA in the appropriate time. so would u waste ur time explaining whats your brilliant plan of teamwork or just hand out some jp hmgs to those minority who know how to aim? for the sake of convenience i usually choose the latter one.
i dun know what kind of perfect fade u encounter, but usually good fades die eventually in my games, although they always own a lot before they die <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
In a large game I think PGs are much less necassary. Also if you successfully relocate to a strategic location you may not need them at all. I recently comm'd a 10 on 10 game where we emergency relocated in between two hives (the room outside sat comm hive right next to cargo). We went pretty much the whole game without PGs and didn't even notice they were missing. I don't think I even put one down til we were already seiging the last hive.
<edit> As a side note walking>>>phase gates if you are relatively close to a location because its much easier to get raped while your troops phase in one by one as opposed to a whole team walking in together and laying down fire.
It depends on the map you play and the team you have. Normally it'd be C->A->->->->B. Sometimes some teams like to get MT first however, but it's always quickly followed by armslab and armor 1.
Another variety is an obs for a quick scan or two and phase tech very early on, then most often followed by armlab and a1 anyway.
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QFT
Armour 1 first always on the armslab. Also try and take structure placement into account!
Also use hotkeys as much as possible when comming. Hand nades are usefull now as well... Heh.
Early means:
* few weapons
* hardly any ups (this includes armor ups)
* there still slow as hell and can be heared a mile away.
* baserush like hell. They got no res to save for beacons.