douchebagatronCustom member titleJoin Date: 2003-12-20Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
so i downloaded vista off of microsoft's msdn academic alliance dealio and im installing it now. its been at this window of just a blueish screen that says "installing windows" for about 30 minutes now. is this normal? theres no progress bar or anything. it aleady copied a bunch of files to my computer. every once in a while the dvd spins up again for a few minutes
my free copy of vista is coming in the mail, and I have to decide whether to install it =p so a few questions...
do you have to reinstall all your software/games when you upgrade XP to Vista? or does it migrate all your stuff from one OS to the next? I know in the past we've always had to reinstall everything when upgrading an OS but I figure it couldn't hurt to ask...
You can techinically migrate an XP install to Vista, but it's really not a good idea. It's probably going to be all weird and junky at best or unstable and broken at worst. It's good to do clean wipes of your current OS every once in a while; it's an even better idea to start off clean when you move to a new OS.
Frankly I don't even understand why game developers even develop for DX, openGL is nicer in so many ways. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because DirectX has many, many more features? Is more complete? Is better coded? There is a reason why all the games that are currently seen as "the next big thing" in graphics all use DX.
<!--quoteo(post=1614250:date=Mar 14 2007, 11:00 AM:name=Quaunaut)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Quaunaut @ Mar 14 2007, 11:00 AM) [snapback]1614250[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Because DirectX has many, many more features? Is more complete? Is better coded? There is a reason why all the games that are currently seen as "the next big thing" in graphics all use DX. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think it's more marketing than anything else. Like Max said in another thread, most good engines are abstracted out enough that the renderer and OS specific stuff is moved into smaller modules. They use DirectX more since the games are targeted at Windows more than DirectX being superior.
<!--quoteo(post=1614242:date=Mar 14 2007, 08:41 AM:name=DiscoZombie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DiscoZombie @ Mar 14 2007, 08:41 AM) [snapback]1614242[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> my free copy of vista is coming in the mail, and I have to decide whether to install it =p so a few questions... <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Has anyone even bought Vista? Like.. everyone I talk to have gotten it free from this or that or some-f-in-how.
Where was I when they were giving away free Vistas?!
After using Vista for a month or so, I am extremely happy with it and have no complaints.
Certain software, e.g. Nero, caused a lot of issues with older versions, however after upgrading everything I have absolutely no complaints at all - everything seems to work fine.
Frankly I don't even understand why game developers even develop for DX, openGL is nicer in so many ways. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I am no coder, however from listening to interviews with people I trust (Carmack for one), DX has improved by leaps and bounds. True, in the days of HL1 OGL blew DX out of the watter, however at this point it looks like DX9 is supperior. I say nothing about DX10 as there are basicly no DX10 cards out yet, and thus is mostly a non issue.
On the note of OSes?
Well, I "upgraded" from 2K to XP Pro last night so that I could make Jade Empire (And a few other games) run, and so that I would finaly actualy have security updates again (sigh).
I will probably not be "upgrading" to Vista untill I am forced to by games. Each of my "upgrades" (Dos->DOS&3.11->95->2K->XP) have been done by the necesity of games. Of all of the OSes I have run I enjoyed DOS and 2K the most so far, simply due to the ability to make it do what I want and STILL run games easily (thus why I don't run linux, I don't feel like putting in the extra effort).
So long as you know what you are doing you generaly can get windows to stop acting stupid, however I have not spent enough time infront of a Vista box to learn how (first thing I did when XP started showing up was learning how to reconfigure it). So Vista probably isn't that bad, it jsut needs to be configgured correctly. There are lots of reports of games running poorly in Vista, my suggestion is going to the offical forums for each of the games you are interested in and checking to see what poeple are sayign so far.
On that note, any one know how to make the stuff on the side of the Control Panel in XP to go away? And how to change the quick links on download/file opening windows to point where I want them to?
<!--quoteo(post=1614255:date=Mar 14 2007, 11:27 AM:name=AnarkiThreeXSix)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(AnarkiThreeXSix @ Mar 14 2007, 11:27 AM) [snapback]1614255[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Has anyone even bought Vista? Like.. everyone I talk to have gotten it free from this or that or some-f-in-how.
Where was I when they were giving away free Vistas?! <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
mine was part of that deal where, if you bought a new XP PC between like November and March, you got a coupon for an upgrade copy of Vista when it came out. They were really slow with making good on the coupons...
@Thansal, I kinda miss the DOS days too - though I will *never* miss... BOOT DISKS. config.sys and autoexec.bat can burn in hell tbh. It was nice having a sweet and simple directory structure though.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I am no coder, however from listening to interviews with people I trust (Carmack for one), DX has improved by leaps and bounds. True, in the days of HL1 OGL blew DX out of the watter, however at this point it looks like DX9 is supperior. I say nothing about DX10 as there are basicly no DX10 cards out yet, and thus is mostly a non issue.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Because DirectX has many, many more features? Is more complete? Is better coded? There is a reason why all the games that are currently seen as "the next big thing" in graphics all use DX.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, I'd really like to read this John Carmack interview. Seeing as how Doom3/Quake4 both use OpenGL, as well as Unreal Engine 1, 2 and 3.
id and Epic are the gods of making engines, and they use OpenGL. If DX is so much better coded, then why is it that Quake and Unreal engines are the engines licensed by so many other companies to make their games?
I am not getting vista until at LEAST SP1. There is currently no motivaing reason to switch to DX10 unless you want to play 1. halo 2, or 2. shadowrun, and you can get those games on the xbox without screwing your computer over.
<!--quoteo(post=1614485:date=Mar 15 2007, 05:24 AM:name=Redford)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Redford @ Mar 15 2007, 05:24 AM) [snapback]1614485[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I am not getting vista until at LEAST SP1. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Ditto. Erm, my gaming mag tested several dozen games on vista, indicating if they worked or not, anyone interested or shouldn't I bother scanning it in? :/
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
<!--quoteo(post=1614423:date=Mar 14 2007, 07:53 PM:name=Caboose)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Caboose @ Mar 14 2007, 07:53 PM) [snapback]1614423[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> So, I'd really like to read this John Carmack interview. Seeing as how Doom3/Quake4 both use OpenGL, as well as Unreal Engine 1, 2 and 3.
id and Epic are the gods of making engines, and they use OpenGL. If DX is so much better coded, then why is it that Quake and Unreal engines are the engines licensed by so many other companies to make their games? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
just search for DX. he talks about the fact that they are not planing on using DX10 for quakewars, however he is happy with DX9 (and thus DX10, as what is in DX9 will be in DX10).
thar yah go <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=1614507:date=Mar 15 2007, 01:31 AM:name=Rover)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rover @ Mar 15 2007, 01:31 AM) [snapback]1614507[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Ditto. Erm, my gaming mag tested several dozen games on vista, indicating if they worked or not, anyone interested or shouldn't I bother scanning it in? :/ <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
would be interesting to hear which games worked and which ones didn't, but you don't have to bother actually scanning it :>
sounds like waiting for SP1 is the way to go at any rate...
<!--quoteo(post=1614485:date=Mar 15 2007, 03:24 AM:name=Redford)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Redford @ Mar 15 2007, 03:24 AM) [snapback]1614485[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I am not getting vista until at LEAST SP1. There is currently no motivaing reason to switch to DX10 unless you want to play 1. halo 2, or 2. shadowrun, and you can get those games on the xbox without screwing your computer over. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Bah. You just reminded me that Shadowrun is a multiplayer game. Grr...
But I agree. I'll stay with XP until it no longer is viable to do so. I used Windows 98 until I bought my first game that required XP (UT2004). Although I'm tempted to get Vista because of the games that come with it. The penguin thing is hilarious.
<!--quoteo(post=1614595:date=Mar 15 2007, 06:45 AM:name=Jimmeh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jimmeh @ Mar 15 2007, 06:45 AM) [snapback]1614595[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> You know, I'll doubt they'll release a SP.
With the auto update, what's the point of producing large packs containing all the updates when people have probably already got them? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1614620:date=Mar 15 2007, 03:04 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Mar 15 2007, 03:04 PM) [snapback]1614620[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> XP has auto updates too. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this included in SP2, which was released ~3 years ago?
<!--quoteo(post=1614648:date=Mar 15 2007, 01:22 PM:name=Jimmeh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jimmeh @ Mar 15 2007, 01:22 PM) [snapback]1614648[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this included in SP2, which was released ~3 years ago?
And there hasn't been another SP since. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I thought it was in SP1 or something. maybe they are a thing of the past, I don't know. I think they like to use service packs now and then because so many people don't even bother with automatic updates. they probably figure that releasing a big service pack with a buncha important or useful updates will make their lazy user base download the important stuff. also with service packs, they can start selling later versions of the OS with the important updates pre-installed...
I'm always hesitant about downloading updates... especially ones relating to DRM (which seems to be most of them these days). I'm sure every update I download makes it harder to get around DRM, which I really want to do <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
Seemed rather pointless I think... Upgrading to Vista that is. I see substantial changes from Dos --> Win 3.x (I skipped Win 1.0) --> Win 95 --> Win XP And everything between 95 and XP being like yearly expansion pack or something.
Going Win XP --> Vista... I don't know, the only thing I see coming out of this is making programs on my computer running more awkward and eating my RAM.
douchebagatronCustom member titleJoin Date: 2003-12-20Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
you waited until xp to upgrade from 95? wow. you know 95 didnt support dvd drives or usb? 98 was much better than 95 and well worth the upgrade. second edition especially.
<!--quoteo(post=1614649:date=Mar 15 2007, 05:29 PM:name=DiscoZombie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DiscoZombie @ Mar 15 2007, 05:29 PM) [snapback]1614649[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I'm always hesitant about downloading updates... especially ones relating to DRM (which seems to be most of them these days). I'm sure every update I download makes it harder to get around DRM, which I really want to do <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" /> <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I am curious about this, its the one thing thats still putting me off buying vista. I am fine with microsoft trying to stop people pirating vista, but not with them trying to play policeman with everything else. Lets face it, almost everyone here probably has at least some "pirated"music, and even if you haven't downloaded a game or two, you will probably have been given one by a friend so you could check it out and see if it was worth getting. And what about those TV shows you download cause you missed them on free to air, or maybe movies a friend brings over. Basically my question is, does vista start becoming a pain in the rear if you want to maintain your "quality of life"with your pc <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=1614768:date=Mar 15 2007, 11:54 PM:name=CarbonI4)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CarbonI4 @ Mar 15 2007, 11:54 PM) [snapback]1614768[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I am curious about this, its the one thing thats still putting me off buying vista. I am fine with microsoft trying to stop people pirating vista, but not with them trying to play policeman with everything else. Lets face it, almost everyone here probably has at least some "pirated"music, and even if you haven't downloaded a game or two, you will probably have been given one by a friend so you could check it out and see if it was worth getting. And what about those TV shows you download cause you missed them on free to air, or maybe movies a friend brings over. Basically my question is, does vista start becoming a pain in the rear if you want to maintain your "quality of life"with your pc <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have no problems with DRM on Vista at all. Regardless of how questionable the content may be.
<!--quoteo(post=1614703:date=Mar 15 2007, 04:58 PM:name=6john)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(6john @ Mar 15 2007, 04:58 PM) [snapback]1614703[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> you waited until xp to upgrade from 95? wow. you know 95 didnt support dvd drives or usb? 98 was much better than 95 and well worth the upgrade. second edition especially. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Back then, people used this thing called CD-Rom. Heck, I bought most of my movie on VCD. But yeah, you're right, I forgot about 98. My point still stands about xp -> vista though. It looks like people will migrate to Vista only because Microsoft released it and will shift its supports, not because of any particular features.
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
<!--quoteo(post=1614775:date=Mar 15 2007, 08:21 PM:name=Jimmeh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jimmeh @ Mar 15 2007, 08:21 PM) [snapback]1614775[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I have no problems with DRM on Vista at all. Regardless of how questionable the content may be. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
basically.
Things that are already ripped are not effected by DRM, thus pirating is still just about as easy as ever. However, if you buy something legally, DRM is there to make it harder for you to media shift it. Yah, love that DRM.
Just a headsup for those who wants a customized XP installation, you may want to take a look at <a href="http://www.nliteos.com/nlite.html" target="_blank">Nlite</a>. I haven't tried it, but it seems like what you're searching for <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
As for Vista, i must have been away when they gave all these free copies out <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" /> so i haven't really tried it, though the vista upgrade guide tells me that my soundcard (Which is onboard... on my nforce4 mobo) isn't supported, and my netdriver isn't either (nor is the on onboard >_<) so it'll be a while before i upgrade, unless those **** at the computer store decides to give me a new laptop, since the one i've bought there is getting screwy and wierd.
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do you have to reinstall all your software/games when you upgrade XP to Vista? or does it migrate all your stuff from one OS to the next? I know in the past we've always had to reinstall everything when upgrading an OS but I figure it couldn't hurt to ask...
how are the bugs these days? mostly squashed?
Ugg, that's terrible.
Frankly I don't even understand why game developers even develop for DX, openGL is nicer in so many ways.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because DirectX has many, many more features? Is more complete? Is better coded? There is a reason why all the games that are currently seen as "the next big thing" in graphics all use DX.
Because DirectX has many, many more features? Is more complete? Is better coded? There is a reason why all the games that are currently seen as "the next big thing" in graphics all use DX.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think it's more marketing than anything else. Like Max said in another thread, most good engines are abstracted out enough that the renderer and OS specific stuff is moved into smaller modules. They use DirectX more since the games are targeted at Windows more than DirectX being superior.
my free copy of vista is coming in the mail, and I have to decide whether to install it =p so a few questions...
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Has anyone even bought Vista?
Like.. everyone I talk to have gotten it free from this or that or some-f-in-how.
Where was I when they were giving away free Vistas?!
Certain software, e.g. Nero, caused a lot of issues with older versions, however after upgrading everything I have absolutely no complaints at all - everything seems to work fine.
Ugg, that's terrible.
Frankly I don't even understand why game developers even develop for DX, openGL is nicer in so many ways.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I am no coder, however from listening to interviews with people I trust (Carmack for one), DX has improved by leaps and bounds. True, in the days of HL1 OGL blew DX out of the watter, however at this point it looks like DX9 is supperior. I say nothing about DX10 as there are basicly no DX10 cards out yet, and thus is mostly a non issue.
On the note of OSes?
Well, I "upgraded" from 2K to XP Pro last night so that I could make Jade Empire (And a few other games) run, and so that I would finaly actualy have security updates again (sigh).
I will probably not be "upgrading" to Vista untill I am forced to by games. Each of my "upgrades" (Dos->DOS&3.11->95->2K->XP) have been done by the necesity of games. Of all of the OSes I have run I enjoyed DOS and 2K the most so far, simply due to the ability to make it do what I want and STILL run games easily (thus why I don't run linux, I don't feel like putting in the extra effort).
So long as you know what you are doing you generaly can get windows to stop acting stupid, however I have not spent enough time infront of a Vista box to learn how (first thing I did when XP started showing up was learning how to reconfigure it). So Vista probably isn't that bad, it jsut needs to be configgured correctly. There are lots of reports of games running poorly in Vista, my suggestion is going to the offical forums for each of the games you are interested in and checking to see what poeple are sayign so far.
On that note, any one know how to make the stuff on the side of the Control Panel in XP to go away? And how to change the quick links on download/file opening windows to point where I want them to?
Has anyone even bought Vista?
Like.. everyone I talk to have gotten it free from this or that or some-f-in-how.
Where was I when they were giving away free Vistas?!
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mine was part of that deal where, if you bought a new XP PC between like November and March, you got a coupon for an upgrade copy of Vista when it came out. They were really slow with making good on the coupons...
@Thansal, I kinda miss the DOS days too - though I will *never* miss... BOOT DISKS. config.sys and autoexec.bat can burn in hell tbh. It was nice having a sweet and simple directory structure though.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Because DirectX has many, many more features? Is more complete? Is better coded? There is a reason why all the games that are currently seen as "the next big thing" in graphics all use DX.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, I'd really like to read this John Carmack interview. Seeing as how Doom3/Quake4 both use OpenGL, as well as Unreal Engine 1, 2 and 3.
id and Epic are the gods of making engines, and they use OpenGL. If DX is so much better coded, then why is it that Quake and Unreal engines are the engines licensed by so many other companies to make their games?
I am not getting vista until at LEAST SP1.
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Ditto. Erm, my gaming mag tested several dozen games on vista, indicating if they worked or not, anyone interested or shouldn't I bother scanning it in? :/
So, I'd really like to read this John Carmack interview. Seeing as how Doom3/Quake4 both use OpenGL, as well as Unreal Engine 1, 2 and 3.
id and Epic are the gods of making engines, and they use OpenGL. If DX is so much better coded, then why is it that Quake and Unreal engines are the engines licensed by so many other companies to make their games?
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<a href="http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200701/N07.0109.1737.15034.htm" target="_blank">Link</a>
just search for DX. he talks about the fact that they are not planing on using DX10 for quakewars, however he is happy with DX9 (and thus DX10, as what is in DX9 will be in DX10).
thar yah go <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
Ditto. Erm, my gaming mag tested several dozen games on vista, indicating if they worked or not, anyone interested or shouldn't I bother scanning it in? :/
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would be interesting to hear which games worked and which ones didn't, but you don't have to bother actually scanning it :>
sounds like waiting for SP1 is the way to go at any rate...
With the auto update, what's the point of producing large packs containing all the updates when people have probably already got them?
I am not getting vista until at LEAST SP1. There is currently no motivaing reason to switch to DX10 unless you want to play 1. halo 2, or 2. shadowrun, and you can get those games on the xbox without screwing your computer over.
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Bah. You just reminded me that Shadowrun is a multiplayer game. Grr...
But I agree. I'll stay with XP until it no longer is viable to do so. I used Windows 98 until I bought my first game that required XP (UT2004). Although I'm tempted to get Vista because of the games that come with it. The penguin thing is hilarious.
You know, I'll doubt they'll release a SP.
With the auto update, what's the point of producing large packs containing all the updates when people have probably already got them?
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XP has auto updates too.
XP has auto updates too.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this included in SP2, which was released ~3 years ago?
And there hasn't been another SP since.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this included in SP2, which was released ~3 years ago?
And there hasn't been another SP since.
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I thought it was in SP1 or something. maybe they are a thing of the past, I don't know. I think they like to use service packs now and then because so many people don't even bother with automatic updates. they probably figure that releasing a big service pack with a buncha important or useful updates will make their lazy user base download the important stuff. also with service packs, they can start selling later versions of the OS with the important updates pre-installed...
I'm always hesitant about downloading updates... especially ones relating to DRM (which seems to be most of them these days). I'm sure every update I download makes it harder to get around DRM, which I really want to do <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
I see substantial changes from Dos --> Win 3.x (I skipped Win 1.0) --> Win 95 --> Win XP
And everything between 95 and XP being like yearly expansion pack or something.
Going Win XP --> Vista... I don't know, the only thing I see coming out of this is making programs on my computer running more awkward and eating my RAM.
I'm always hesitant about downloading updates... especially ones relating to DRM (which seems to be most of them these days). I'm sure every update I download makes it harder to get around DRM, which I really want to do <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
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I am curious about this, its the one thing thats still putting me off buying vista. I am fine with microsoft trying to stop people pirating vista, but not with them trying to play policeman with everything else. Lets face it, almost everyone here probably has at least some "pirated"music, and even if you haven't downloaded a game or two, you will probably have been given one by a friend so you could check it out and see if it was worth getting. And what about those TV shows you download cause you missed them on free to air, or maybe movies a friend brings over. Basically my question is, does vista start becoming a pain in the rear if you want to maintain your "quality of life"with your pc <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
I am curious about this, its the one thing thats still putting me off buying vista. I am fine with microsoft trying to stop people pirating vista, but not with them trying to play policeman with everything else. Lets face it, almost everyone here probably has at least some "pirated"music, and even if you haven't downloaded a game or two, you will probably have been given one by a friend so you could check it out and see if it was worth getting. And what about those TV shows you download cause you missed them on free to air, or maybe movies a friend brings over. Basically my question is, does vista start becoming a pain in the rear if you want to maintain your "quality of life"with your pc <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
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I have no problems with DRM on Vista at all. Regardless of how questionable the content may be.
you waited until xp to upgrade from 95? wow. you know 95 didnt support dvd drives or usb? 98 was much better than 95 and well worth the upgrade. second edition especially.
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Back then, people used this thing called CD-Rom.
Heck, I bought most of my movie on VCD.
But yeah, you're right, I forgot about 98. My point still stands about xp -> vista though. It looks like people will migrate to Vista only because Microsoft released it and will shift its supports, not because of any particular features.
I have no problems with DRM on Vista at all. Regardless of how questionable the content may be.
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basically.
Things that are already ripped are not effected by DRM, thus pirating is still just about as easy as ever. However, if you buy something legally, DRM is there to make it harder for you to media shift it. Yah, love that DRM.
As for Vista, i must have been away when they gave all these free copies out <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" /> so i haven't really tried it, though the vista upgrade guide tells me that my soundcard (Which is onboard... on my nforce4 mobo) isn't supported, and my netdriver isn't either (nor is the on onboard >_<) so it'll be a while before i upgrade, unless those **** at the computer store decides to give me a new laptop, since the one i've bought there is getting screwy and wierd.