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<!--quoteo(post=1613802:date=Mar 12 2007, 11:47 AM:name=pardzh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(pardzh @ Mar 12 2007, 11:47 AM) [snapback]1613802[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Oh, and Xerxes was creepy as hell. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> RuPaul != creepy, no matter how you cut it.
<!--quoteo(post=1613839:date=Mar 12 2007, 03:10 PM:name=Moving_Target0)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Moving_Target0 @ Mar 12 2007, 03:10 PM) [snapback]1613839[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Summary of the whole thread and / or movie:
I personally thought this movie could have been a lot better had they tried to make it have more plot than it did. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I honestly think that the removal of any and all plot made the movie BETTER. All to often they try to put plot into a movie that is really all about killing stuff, and it just removes key time that could be filled with blood.
<!--quoteo(post=1613214:date=Mar 10 2007, 08:44 AM:name=moultano)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(moultano @ Mar 10 2007, 08:44 AM) [snapback]1613214[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Somehow, I don't think that Greeks went to war in leather speedos. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Tell that to the homosexual community!!! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
Edit, apparently the 3 letter word for homosexual is banned =\
What exactly did you WANT for a plot? You have an awesome actor who played the narrator and told the story of the hero of the Spartan people. This is classic stuff as far as plot lines go. What, you want more character interaction? Some kinda subterfuge?
First, deep character fleshings never work well in a feature film - there's just not enough time. Most often you just end up hurting yourself with it.
Second, the movie is based on a historic battle. I figure if they'd tried to be any more creative then they were, you'd all be screaming that it wasn't historically accurate enough.
I really don't see this "plotless" argument. If 300 had no plot, name me a movie that DID so I can be enlightened.
<!--quoteo(post=1613884:date=Mar 12 2007, 06:10 PM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Mar 12 2007, 06:10 PM) [snapback]1613884[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> RuPaul != creepy, no matter how you cut it. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Uhh... Ru Paul creeps me out <i>every</i> way I cut it.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I honestly think that the removal of any and all plot made the movie BETTER. All to often they try to put plot into a movie that is really all about killing stuff, and it just removes key time that could be filled with blood.
Yah, it wasn't a good movie, but it was fun! <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> You mean there was literally no plot whatsoever? Um, the writing may not have been great, but I don't think you paid much attention.
<!--quoteo(post=1613304:date=Mar 10 2007, 01:30 PM:name=Zig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Zig @ Mar 10 2007, 01:30 PM) [snapback]1613304[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> You must not know about the battle of thermopylae. The premise alone makes it worth seeing. Thermopylae is one of the most legendary battles in military history. It's basically YOUR fault you're not interested. Pay attention in history class! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
QTF. The Battle of Thermopylae is perhaps one of the most epic ones from recorded human history on this planet. Reminds me of some NS battles on the marines...
I just wish all three last showings on Saturday at every theater in the city weren't sold out after I got out of work. Stupid having to work on my birthday... BTW, that shows how lame the critics in my city were for giving it only two stars! CJ movie critics = suck, 300 = rules (apparently).
<!--quoteo(post=1613902:date=Mar 13 2007, 12:53 AM:name=Rob)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rob @ Mar 13 2007, 12:53 AM) [snapback]1613902[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> What exactly did you WANT for a plot? You have an awesome actor who played the narrator and told the story of the hero of the Spartan people. This is classic stuff as far as plot lines go. What, you want more character interaction? Some kinda subterfuge?
First, deep character fleshings never work well in a feature film - there's just not enough time. Most often you just end up hurting yourself with it.
Second, the movie is based on a historic battle. I figure if they'd tried to be any more creative then they were, you'd all be screaming that it wasn't historically accurate enough.
I really don't see this "plotless" argument. If 300 had no plot, name me a movie that DID so I can be enlightened. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't mean add more plot. I meant improve the current one.
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<!--quoteo(post=1615053:date=Mar 16 2007, 08:47 PM:name=Gwahir)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gwahir @ Mar 16 2007, 08:47 PM) [snapback]1615053[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> well I for one really liked the whole point of the movie. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Just saw it tonight, thought it was magnificent.
<!--quoteo(post=1615065:date=Mar 17 2007, 04:47 AM:name=Gwahir)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gwahir @ Mar 17 2007, 04:47 AM) [snapback]1615065[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and the moral it taught. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Running around without your shirt on and wearing a red cape makes you kick ######?
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<!--quoteo(post=1615065:date=Mar 16 2007, 09:47 PM:name=Gwahir)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gwahir @ Mar 16 2007, 09:47 PM) [snapback]1615065[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Zig, I think you may think I was bein sarcastic, I wasn't.
I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and the moral it taught. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I know, I just quoted your post for emphasis I guess.
Hmm... What really strikes me is how many ignorant, buzzword-frenzied, two-bit critics are drawing parallels to present day political events.. The battle depicted in the movie (which is a depiction of the battle depicted in the <i>comic</i>..) was fought in ancient Greece. So I guess these people are saying that Frank Miller... created the Battle of Thermopylae? Bandwagon liberals can be truly ridiculous sometimes. It's perfectly natural and American to want to start a fuss over our administration. I can get pretty indignant myself.
But it's a completely separate thing to throw common sense, basic historical knowledge, and respect for the true purpose of Frank Miller's art (dramatization of a historical event, and nothing more) to the winds and claim that there's some kind of parallel between a work of historical fiction of which the subject is around 2500 years old, and Bush making war on Arabs.
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<!--quoteo(post=1615077:date=Mar 16 2007, 11:20 PM:name=Gwahir)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gwahir @ Mar 16 2007, 11:20 PM) [snapback]1615077[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> wasn't saying anything like that more just the general principle that there are some things that are worth fighting and dying for. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, I just read a stupid review at Rotten Tomatoes and had to go on a little tirade, mostly to myself...
<!--quoteo(post=1615083:date=Mar 16 2007, 11:20 PM:name=Zig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Zig @ Mar 16 2007, 11:20 PM) [snapback]1615083[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Yeah, I just read a stupid review at Rotten Tomatoes and had to go on a little tirade, mostly to myself...
<!--quoteo(post=1615083:date=Mar 17 2007, 02:20 AM:name=Zig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Zig @ Mar 17 2007, 02:20 AM) [snapback]1615083[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Yeah, I just read a stupid review at Rotten Tomatoes and had to go on a little tirade, mostly to myself...
That site needs a "Is the reviewer a dip[expletive]?" button. Then again, I suppose you can pull whatever you want out of things nowadays; I know over at the imdb messageboards there's people that sing undying praises about Signs...and that one of my college professors had a student relate a poem written about events in the civil war reflecting on (very specific) examples of the Gulf War.
<!--quoteo(post=1615083:date=Mar 17 2007, 03:20 AM:name=Zig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Zig @ Mar 17 2007, 03:20 AM) [snapback]1615083[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Yeah, I just read a stupid review at Rotten Tomatoes and had to go on a little tirade, mostly to myself...
If this guy had any idea how stupid he's making himself look he would hopefully dive off a bridge. Half the crap he complains about is honest fact from history.
I found <a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/03142007/entertainment/movies/iran_blasts_300_movies_andy_soltis.htm" target="_blank">this</a> to also be of interest. It seems like everybody wants to complain about something nowadays. Nevermind that Iran hasn't been called Persia for more that 50 years and that the attempt to associate themselves with ancient empires is like all Americans pretending to be Iroquois or Apache (now they'll want to say that they're descended from Xerxes and Darius...). Some things are symbols and some things are things, I don't get what's wrong with people (I can tell you that when I was sitting there I was thinking "I don't think Xerxes really looked like that, but it does make him sound and look eviler" and not "Dude, that's totally Iran, let's go bomb them").
Oh yea, the marauding giant was a euphemism for Big Oil and the Spartan's spears were representative of American patriotism! Plus the guys carrying Xerxes' throne were symbols for liberals willing to please the Middle Eastern world, dirty communists!
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The battle scenes? Good.
Anything involving storyline and/or dialog? sucks.
I personally thought this movie could have been a lot better had they tried to make it have more plot than it did.
Oh, and Xerxes was creepy as hell.
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RuPaul != creepy, no matter how you cut it.
<!--quoteo(post=1613839:date=Mar 12 2007, 03:10 PM:name=Moving_Target0)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Moving_Target0 @ Mar 12 2007, 03:10 PM) [snapback]1613839[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
Summary of the whole thread and / or movie:
The battle scenes? Good.
Anything involving storyline and/or dialog? sucks.
I personally thought this movie could have been a lot better had they tried to make it have more plot than it did.
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I honestly think that the removal of any and all plot made the movie BETTER. All to often they try to put plot into a movie that is really all about killing stuff, and it just removes key time that could be filled with blood.
Yah, it wasn't a good movie, but it was fun!
Somehow, I don't think that Greeks went to war in leather speedos.
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Tell that to the homosexual community!!! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
Edit, apparently the 3 letter word for homosexual is banned =\
First, deep character fleshings never work well in a feature film - there's just not enough time. Most often you just end up hurting yourself with it.
Second, the movie is based on a historic battle. I figure if they'd tried to be any more creative then they were, you'd all be screaming that it wasn't historically accurate enough.
I really don't see this "plotless" argument. If 300 had no plot, name me a movie that DID so I can be enlightened.
RuPaul != creepy, no matter how you cut it.
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Uhh... Ru Paul creeps me out <i>every</i> way I cut it.
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I honestly think that the removal of any and all plot made the movie BETTER. All to often they try to put plot into a movie that is really all about killing stuff, and it just removes key time that could be filled with blood.
Yah, it wasn't a good movie, but it was fun!
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You mean there was literally no plot whatsoever? Um, the writing may not have been great, but I don't think you paid much attention.
Tell that to the homosexual community!!! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
Edit, apparently the 3 letter word for homosexual is banned =\
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The one, that means cigarette or the one, that means joyfully?
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Edit: BOTH
You must not know about the battle of thermopylae. The premise alone makes it worth seeing. Thermopylae is one of the most legendary battles in military history. It's basically YOUR fault you're not interested. Pay attention in history class! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
QTF. The Battle of Thermopylae is perhaps one of the most epic ones from recorded human history on this planet. Reminds me of some NS battles on the marines...
I just wish all three last showings on Saturday at every theater in the city weren't sold out after I got out of work. Stupid having to work on my birthday... BTW, that shows how lame the critics in my city were for giving it only two stars! CJ movie critics = suck, 300 = rules (apparently).
What exactly did you WANT for a plot? You have an awesome actor who played the narrator and told the story of the hero of the Spartan people. This is classic stuff as far as plot lines go. What, you want more character interaction? Some kinda subterfuge?
First, deep character fleshings never work well in a feature film - there's just not enough time. Most often you just end up hurting yourself with it.
Second, the movie is based on a historic battle. I figure if they'd tried to be any more creative then they were, you'd all be screaming that it wasn't historically accurate enough.
I really don't see this "plotless" argument. If 300 had no plot, name me a movie that DID so I can be enlightened.
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I didn't mean add more plot. I meant improve the current one.
Just saw it tonight, thought it was magnificent.
The police are after me now...
I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and the moral it taught.
I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and the moral it taught.
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Running around without your shirt on and wearing a red cape makes you kick ######?
I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and the moral it taught. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I know, I just quoted your post for emphasis I guess.
Hmm... What really strikes me is how many ignorant, buzzword-frenzied, two-bit critics are drawing parallels to present day political events.. The battle depicted in the movie (which is a depiction of the battle depicted in the <i>comic</i>..) was fought in ancient Greece. So I guess these people are saying that Frank Miller... created the Battle of Thermopylae? Bandwagon liberals can be truly ridiculous sometimes. It's perfectly natural and American to want to start a fuss over our administration. I can get pretty indignant myself.
But it's a completely separate thing to throw common sense, basic historical knowledge, and respect for the true purpose of Frank Miller's art (dramatization of a historical event, and nothing more) to the winds and claim that there's some kind of parallel between a work of historical fiction of which the subject is around 2500 years old, and Bush making war on Arabs.
Yeah, I just read a stupid review at Rotten Tomatoes and had to go on a little tirade, mostly to myself...
<a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/03092007/entertainment/movies/persian_shrug_movies_kyle_smith.htm" target="_blank">http://www.nypost.com/seven/03092007/enter..._kyle_smith.htm</a>
Yeah, I just read a stupid review at Rotten Tomatoes and had to go on a little tirade, mostly to myself...
<a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/03092007/entertainment/movies/persian_shrug_movies_kyle_smith.htm" target="_blank">http://www.nypost.com/seven/03092007/enter..._kyle_smith.htm</a>
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Yeah... the Hitler thing was a nice touch. This man is an idiot.
Yeah, I just read a stupid review at Rotten Tomatoes and had to go on a little tirade, mostly to myself...
<a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/03092007/entertainment/movies/persian_shrug_movies_kyle_smith.htm" target="_blank">http://www.nypost.com/seven/03092007/enter..._kyle_smith.htm</a>
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That site needs a "Is the reviewer a dip[expletive]?" button. Then again, I suppose you can pull whatever you want out of things nowadays; I know over at the imdb messageboards there's people that sing undying praises about Signs...and that one of my college professors had a student relate a poem written about events in the civil war reflecting on (very specific) examples of the Gulf War.
Yeah, I just read a stupid review at Rotten Tomatoes and had to go on a little tirade, mostly to myself...
<a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/03092007/entertainment/movies/persian_shrug_movies_kyle_smith.htm" target="_blank">http://www.nypost.com/seven/03092007/enter..._kyle_smith.htm</a>
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If this guy had any idea how stupid he's making himself look he would hopefully dive off a bridge. Half the crap he complains about is honest fact from history.
Oh yea, the marauding giant was a euphemism for Big Oil and the Spartan's spears were representative of American patriotism! Plus the guys carrying Xerxes' throne were symbols for liberals willing to please the Middle Eastern world, dirty communists!
Woot for totally making things up.
All wars are basically the same, so it's very easy to draw parallels between them all!
It's like coincidences, you will find many if you look too hard enough at anything!
300 is already #176 in the IMDB top 250. Heh.
I was <i>not</i> displeased.
not to be confused with IRL.