A new kind of water-cooling: HUMAN BLOOD

ScytheScythe Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 46NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation, Reinforced - Silver
edited June 2007 in Off-Topic
<div class="IPBDescription">Came to me in the shower.</div>Not really human blood. But it did come to me in the shower.

I was thinking that sometime soon I'm going to have to upgrade my computer and I was considering going the water-cooling route. I decided that I would build the whole system myself, putting my engineering degree to work. I then started to think of the various systems that existed and their limitations. The obvious one: Having each component in series along a tube had the limitation that the final component in the series didn't get much cooling since the coolant was pretty hot already. I started to think parallel and then this idea struck me:

<img src="http://xs216.xs.to/xs216/07226/coolingsystem.PNG" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

Why not model the cooling system based off the human circulatory system? My idea was to replace the lungs with a radiator and have the "aorta" channel the coolant from the heart with tubes of varying thickness depending on cooling need (wattage). The "heart" would be, at the most simple, a piston, wheel and rod arrangement. Ideally it'd more resemble a human heart somehow. The blocks that attach to the hot bits would be carefully designed, like human blood vessels, to make maximum surface area contact with minimum flow restriction. Similar care would be required in designing the heart valves.

Best case scenario: get one of those entirely synthetic artificial hearts that some Russian guy designed and have it throbbing on the top of the case. That'd be sweet.

Red colouring in the coolant, of course.

--Scythe--

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  • EpidemicEpidemic Dark Force Gorge Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17781Members
  • SamahSamah Australia Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16286Members, Constellation
    <3 Scythe <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
  • KungFuDiscoMonkeyKungFuDiscoMonkey Creator of ns_altair 日本福岡県 Join Date: 2003-03-15 Member: 14555Members, NS1 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos
    Does sound interesting. Build a prototype and keep a log to share with us <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    Call me when it actually uses blood and then we'll talk.
  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    I'm just curious as to whom is your heart coming from?
  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    I take it the outside of the case will look like this or something?

    <a href="http://kotaku.com/gaming/pc/the-most-disturbing-case-mod-ever-193860.php" target="_blank">http://kotaku.com/gaming/pc/the-most-distu...ever-193860.php</a>

    :p
  • ChookzChookz Join Date: 2003-09-13 Member: 20814Members, Constellation
    Smart.

    Very Smart.

    Wish an aussie didnt think of it first :O! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1630749:date=Jun 2 2007, 04:13 PM:name=Geminosity)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Geminosity @ Jun 2 2007, 04:13 PM) [snapback]1630749[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I take it the outside of the case will look like this or something?

    <a href="http://kotaku.com/gaming/pc/the-most-disturbing-case-mod-ever-193860.php" target="_blank">http://kotaku.com/gaming/pc/the-most-distu...ever-193860.php</a>

    <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
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    That guy <b>really</b> needs a girlfriend
  • XythXyth Avatar Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22312Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1630763:date=Jun 2 2007, 12:01 PM:name=Thaldarin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thaldarin @ Jun 2 2007, 12:01 PM) [snapback]1630763[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    That guy <b>really</b> needs a girlfriend
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    His parents did always tell him to <i>make</i> friends...
  • HybridclawHybridclaw Join Date: 2003-11-03 Member: 22271Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1630748:date=Jun 2 2007, 11:11 AM:name=Thaldarin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thaldarin @ Jun 2 2007, 11:11 AM) [snapback]1630748[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I'm just curious as to whom is your heart coming from?
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    He could borrow one of mine, i have eight <img src="http://www.pbreview.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_devil.gif" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />
  • KaineKaine Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1096Members, Constellation
    edited June 2007
    for starters don't use red food coloring. use some Nulon Red, or similar. I think Toyota use a red coolant, ask a dealer for some. Reason being you'll get your red color, corrosion inhibitor and anti-growth effects all at the same time. The pump idea is novel, but i think ultimately a bad idea. Even if you can make or find something that will function the way you want it to, maintaining all the seals will be a major concern... this is one application where leaks are unacceptable. Likewise, have you considered the tendency for a liquid to take the path of least resistance? what is there to regulate the flow so that each line gets the same amount (or even enough to cool their respective components sufficiently?)

    I'll also add that cooling your memory is really a waste of time. Your chipset is really more sensitive to heat and will provide better overclocking headroom than cooling your RAM will. I understand you want to design and build your own waterblocks. This is great.... but even more reason abandon the idea of watercooling your RAM and focus on the more heat sensitive points like your northbridge and PWM. Properly cooling your PWM (which will be a challenge in itself) can make the world of difference to your CPU temperatures.

    I strongly suggest you get on the OCAU forums and have a good read through Extreme Cooling. It will save you covering a lot of ground other people already have.

    Good luck <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    How does fluid-cooling work anyway? Seems like it'd be much harder to cool an entire board at once.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1630806:date=Jun 2 2007, 11:53 AM:name=Align)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Align @ Jun 2 2007, 11:53 AM) [snapback]1630806[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    How does fluid-cooling work anyway? Seems like it'd be much harder to cool an entire board at once.
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    It doesn't cool the board, it just cools whatever you have it hooked up to. Usually the PSU fan and maybe an intake fan is enough to cool capacitors and whatever that aren't colled by the water.
  • XythXyth Avatar Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22312Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1630812:date=Jun 2 2007, 03:40 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Jun 2 2007, 03:40 PM) [snapback]1630812[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    It doesn't cool the board, it just cools whatever you have it hooked up to. Usually the PSU fan and maybe an intake fan is enough to cool capacitors and whatever that aren't colled by the water.
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    Unless you submerge the entire computer in vegetable oil! Muahaha!
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    Mineral oil's a better choice, but it's a different theory if you're filling up the entire computer. By doing that you're using the oil as one giant heatsink instead of using the water as a heat transfer mechanism that is cooled by the radiator.
  • XythXyth Avatar Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22312Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1630825:date=Jun 2 2007, 05:45 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Jun 2 2007, 05:45 PM) [snapback]1630825[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Mineral oil's a better choice, but it's a different theory if you're filling up the entire computer. By doing that you're using the oil as one giant heatsink instead of using the water as a heat transfer mechanism that is cooled by the radiator.
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    Or you could combine the two. In theory, if you pumped oil off the top of the tank (where it would be warmer) then cooled it before inserting it into the bottom, you could keep your computer pretty cool.
  • ScytheScythe Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 46NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation, Reinforced - Silver
    edited June 2007
    <!--quoteo(post=1630805:date=Jun 3 2007, 04:23 AM:name=Kaine)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kaine @ Jun 3 2007, 04:23 AM) [snapback]1630805[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Likewise, have you considered the tendency for a liquid to take the path of least resistance?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    That's electricity. Water will flow from high to low pressure along whatever conduit it can. The ratio of the cross-sections will determine the flow rate along each tube, given a set pressure. Thanks for the anti-bacterial tip. I hadn't considered that.

    That picture was just a rough mock-up. I'm probably going to have a pipe going to the hard drives. Generally I find that the northbridge needs no cooling other than a heat sink and passive airflow about the case. No fan of its own. Perhaps since there'll be reduced general airflow I'll need to look at it specifically.

    I've got a number of ideas relating to the actual heart. One was having the entire thing sealed up tight, and using a ring of magnets that pull the piston up and down. Obviously this'd need some shielding or clever design to eliminate stray field.

    --Scythe--

    P.S. It's just occurred to me that making the blocks out of lead would be a good idea since it's soft and I can machine it at home. Like so:

    <img src="http://xs216.xs.to/xs216/07220/coolingblock.PNG" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

    Unfortunately it turns out that lead <a href="http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/tables/thrcn.html" target="_blank">conducts heat like crap</a> (thanks kaine) and it gets soft as low as 60 degrees.
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