NEO_PhyteWe need shirtgons!Join Date: 2003-12-16Member: 24453Members, Constellation
Downloaded the demo, working on locating the full thing. It runs kinda poorly on my system, but I feel its playable, so I want.
Managed to get through the entire demo without losing a minion my second run through, which made me happy, first time through the boss halfling crushed a fair number. That big fat meany.
<!--quoteo(post=1639414:date=Jul 17 2007, 08:58 PM:name=Abra)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Abra @ Jul 17 2007, 08:58 PM) [snapback]1639414[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I disagree with you people saying greens are useless. They serve there purpose against larger foes. When tougher enemies get jumped by the greens a little animation plays with the enemy trying to get them of, not doing any real damage, while the greens do plenty damage, where browns would be AOE'd. Plenty of time to get in and do serious damage with your sword/axe/mace. Browns own anything small in numbers. Allso, why would you use reds on dwarfs? dwarfs are faster to take out with browns that you just spam forward. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I just recently discovered how useful my greens are on those slugs when I went thru the mines again.
PS, I like to watch the Dwarves burn, scream and wriggle. Fire amuses me, I know I can pwn with the browns, but I like fire.
I want the game, but cba paying full price for it, especially as I'm in a sort of 'saving mode' regarding money atm. I guess I won't get it before quite some time, as I want to get it on my X360 :X And console games are not only more expensive to begin with, they tend to be quite slow to drop in price. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=1639412:date=Jul 17 2007, 08:39 PM:name=PerfectionsFlaw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(PerfectionsFlaw @ Jul 17 2007, 08:39 PM) [snapback]1639412[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> .. I do however aggree with the greens being useless though. .. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They are quite usefull, I kinda grinded my +extra minions together :3 Try this against "Puff Beetles" (give green energy) in the Arena:
50% Greens / 50% Blues. If your max. minion count increases, you can go towards 25/5 and such. Hammer space when you enter the Arena to skip most of the intro you get. Put your Blues at the cobweb at the far left, put your Greens in front. Then lure the beetles toward the group of greens, you have to try out the amount which your group can survive. Any dying Greens(and Blues) will be resurrected by the blues at the back. Repeat.
The one thing in the game I miss is a (mini-)map, I'm a bit of a map######, not that good at orientating myself, had that since wolf3d, just wondering around all them corpses 'till I found the exit I overlooked :x
<!--quoteo(post=1640000:date=Jul 21 2007, 09:22 AM:name=Zaggy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Zaggy @ Jul 21 2007, 09:22 AM) [snapback]1640000[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> They are quite usefull, I kinda grinded my +extra minions together :3 Try this against "Puff Beetles" (give green energy) in the Arena:
50% Greens / 50% Blues. If your max. minion count increases, you can go towards 25/5 and such. Hammer space when you enter the Arena to skip most of the intro you get. Put your Blues at the cobweb at the far left, put your Greens in front. Then lure the beetles toward the group of greens, you have to try out the amount which your group can survive. Any dying Greens(and Blues) will be resurrected by the blues at the back. Repeat. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> that's nice early on, but later, you can just as well bring along 45 browns and 5 blues and just hold mouse1 to send in all your browns while you go in swinging your big glowing sword, and every beetle will be dead within 15 seconds
[WHO]ThemYou can call me DaveJoin Date: 2002-12-11Member: 10593Members, Constellation
I've been doing the tactic zaggy descibes with a 34/1 mix, and the guard posts right in front of the fence you enter from.
For dazzlers you can just put ~20 greens in the back. Then lure EVERY beetle into a big mob behind you all at once. When you get to the greens, GET AWAY FROM THE MOB. A couple of the beetles will do that jump + area attack maneuver. This attack hurts both the greens and the beetles. So in just a few short seconds you'll only be fighting like 6 beetles. Basically you're trading 20 greens for 75 blues in very short order.
NEO_PhyteWe need shirtgons!Join Date: 2003-12-16Member: 24453Members, Constellation
Finally got my grubby hands on the full game, its good stuff. Unless there's somewhere I've missed, I've narrowed down my quest options to the dwarven lands, but have been concentrating on improving my gear. My mace has max enchantment, my armor is getting close, my helm still has a long ways to go.
And then I'll probably find the 3rd smelter right away and get to do it all over again.
Am I correct in determining that the beetles are the best arena fight for replenishing minions?
locallyunsceneFeeder of TrollsJoin Date: 2002-12-25Member: 11528Members, Constellation
Once you get max (green soul)regen armor and a good weapon you can just wade into the beetles and kill them quickly yourself. Sword with max fire damage works quite nicely.
NEO_PhyteWe need shirtgons!Join Date: 2003-12-16Member: 24453Members, Constellation
edited July 2007
<!--quoteo(post=1640868:date=Jul 27 2007, 02:44 PM:name=locallyunscene)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(locallyunscene @ Jul 27 2007, 02:44 PM) [snapback]1640868[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Once you get max (green soul)regen armor and a good weapon you can just wade into the beetles and kill them quickly yourself. Sword with max fire damage works quite nicely. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> My armor was a 50/50 mix of defense and regen, pure regen isn't worth it, unless putting everything into regen makes it work while you are getting beat on.
But yes, once you have pizzimp armor and weapon you can just wade on in, made grinding for the minions to throw into my helm a bunch quicker and easier.
In semirelated news, beat the game, 21% corruption. Regarding the plot twist near the end, once I got past the 'wait, what?', I must say that I appreciated the Overlord's work, its good to see a more subtle form of evil. That said, I cried a little inside at what I had to fight.
I can't figure out what you're referring to <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" /> is the ending different depending on how much corruption you have?
here's what it was for me with 0 corruption:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--coloro:#000000--><span style="color:#000000"><!--/coloro-->evil wizard shows up, dethrones me. I have to kill his minions, get mine back, and then kill him. end cutscene is my overlord having a cute picnic with his lady in a sunny green meadow.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->anything different for 21% corruption? how about 100%?
NEO_PhyteWe need shirtgons!Join Date: 2003-12-16Member: 24453Members, Constellation
edited July 2007
<!--quoteo(post=1641076:date=Jul 28 2007, 01:37 PM:name=DiscoZombie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DiscoZombie @ Jul 28 2007, 01:37 PM) [snapback]1641076[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I can't figure out what you're referring to <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" /> is the ending different depending on how much corruption you have?
here's what it was for me with 0 corruption:
anything different for 21% corruption? how about 100%? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Dunno about 100%, but I had the same ending. My system is technically too slow to run the game, but it runs surprisingly well, the only real slow points are loading screens and movies. Judging by how the outro went on my system, its actually made of up a series of short clips, which assumably can vary depending on your actions during the game. Don't remember what all clips I saw, but I did have the one you mentioned. <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--coloro:black--><span style="color:black"><!--/coloro-->As for some details to the ending, if you listen to the Evil Wizard, he is actually the former Overlord that the heroes had supposedly killed, he took over the Wizard's body and corrupted the other heroes that had worked together to defeat him. You were apparently one of those heroes, that had fallen and been left behind. During the final battle, when he first started talking, I was all 'oh god, is this a beat all the old bosses again bossfight?' until I realized he was just giving examples of how he corrupted the others.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Managed to get through the entire demo without losing a minion my second run through, which made me happy, first time through the boss halfling crushed a fair number. That big fat meany.
I disagree with you people saying greens are useless. They serve there purpose against larger foes. When tougher enemies get jumped by the greens a little animation plays with the enemy trying to get them of, not doing any real damage, while the greens do plenty damage, where browns would be AOE'd. Plenty of time to get in and do serious damage with your sword/axe/mace. Browns own anything small in numbers. Allso, why would you use reds on dwarfs? dwarfs are faster to take out with browns that you just spam forward.
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I just recently discovered how useful my greens are on those slugs when I went thru the mines again.
PS, I like to watch the Dwarves burn, scream and wriggle. Fire amuses me, I know I can pwn with the browns, but I like fire.
Corruption level 45%
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I do however aggree with the greens being useless though.
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They are quite usefull, I kinda grinded my +extra minions together :3
Try this against "Puff Beetles" (give green energy) in the Arena:
50% Greens / 50% Blues.
If your max. minion count increases, you can go towards 25/5 and such.
Hammer space when you enter the Arena to skip most of the intro you get.
Put your Blues at the cobweb at the far left, put your Greens in front.
Then lure the beetles toward the group of greens, you have to try out the amount which your group can survive.
Any dying Greens(and Blues) will be resurrected by the blues at the back.
Repeat.
The one thing in the game I miss is a (mini-)map, I'm a bit of a map######, not that good at orientating myself, had that since wolf3d, just wondering around all them corpses 'till I found the exit I overlooked :x
They are quite usefull, I kinda grinded my +extra minions together :3
Try this against "Puff Beetles" (give green energy) in the Arena:
50% Greens / 50% Blues.
If your max. minion count increases, you can go towards 25/5 and such.
Hammer space when you enter the Arena to skip most of the intro you get.
Put your Blues at the cobweb at the far left, put your Greens in front.
Then lure the beetles toward the group of greens, you have to try out the amount which your group can survive.
Any dying Greens(and Blues) will be resurrected by the blues at the back.
Repeat.
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that's nice early on, but later, you can just as well bring along 45 browns and 5 blues and just hold mouse1 to send in all your browns while you go in swinging your big glowing sword, and every beetle will be dead within 15 seconds
For dazzlers you can just put ~20 greens in the back. Then lure EVERY beetle into a big mob behind you all at once. When you get to the greens, GET AWAY FROM THE MOB. A couple of the beetles will do that jump + area attack maneuver. This attack hurts both the greens and the beetles. So in just a few short seconds you'll only be fighting like 6 beetles. Basically you're trading 20 greens for 75 blues in very short order.
And then I'll probably find the 3rd smelter right away and get to do it all over again.
Am I correct in determining that the beetles are the best arena fight for replenishing minions?
smack around some peasants, keep doing this until it tells you they have been suppressed. leave and come back.
Once you get max (green soul)regen armor and a good weapon you can just wade into the beetles and kill them quickly yourself. Sword with max fire damage works quite nicely.
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My armor was a 50/50 mix of defense and regen, pure regen isn't worth it, unless putting everything into regen makes it work while you are getting beat on.
But yes, once you have pizzimp armor and weapon you can just wade on in, made grinding for the minions to throw into my helm a bunch quicker and easier.
In semirelated news, beat the game, 21% corruption. Regarding the plot twist near the end, once I got past the 'wait, what?', I must say that I appreciated the Overlord's work, its good to see a more subtle form of evil. That said, I cried a little inside at what I had to fight.
Hopefully I've managed to avoid any spoilers. <_<
here's what it was for me with 0 corruption:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--coloro:#000000--><span style="color:#000000"><!--/coloro-->evil wizard shows up, dethrones me. I have to kill his minions, get mine back, and then kill him. end cutscene is my overlord having a cute picnic with his lady in a sunny green meadow.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->anything different for 21% corruption? how about 100%?
I can't figure out what you're referring to <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" /> is the ending different depending on how much corruption you have?
here's what it was for me with 0 corruption:
anything different for 21% corruption? how about 100%?
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Dunno about 100%, but I had the same ending. My system is technically too slow to run the game, but it runs surprisingly well, the only real slow points are loading screens and movies. Judging by how the outro went on my system, its actually made of up a series of short clips, which assumably can vary depending on your actions during the game. Don't remember what all clips I saw, but I did have the one you mentioned.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--coloro:black--><span style="color:black"><!--/coloro-->As for some details to the ending, if you listen to the Evil Wizard, he is actually the former Overlord that the heroes had supposedly killed, he took over the Wizard's body and corrupted the other heroes that had worked together to defeat him. You were apparently one of those heroes, that had fallen and been left behind. During the final battle, when he first started talking, I was all 'oh god, is this a beat all the old bosses again bossfight?' until I realized he was just giving examples of how he corrupted the others.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->