Protect Your Gorges!

InfinitumInfinitum Anime Encyclopedia Join Date: 2002-08-08 Member: 1111Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">Chubsy ubsy is defenseless!</div> I just QUIT a game in frustration.

Map: NS_Nothing
Side: Kharaa
Species: Gorge
Location: Cargo Bay Hive (Unbuilt)

Ok we start off in the powersilo, but instead of joining the mad rush to go attack the marine spawn I quickly race off towards the Cargo Bay hive. I like this hive mainly for a couple of reasons
1.) 2 easily blockable entrances early game. The vent can only be accessed by player stacking or jetpacks
2.) THREEEEEEEEEE resource towers
3.) If you own this hive you have a fairly secure position (Relatively)

So I got one resource tower up, then another, then the last so then it was time to build up some defenses. Around the corner comes Joe Marine with his @%^%$&^*^ LMG and proceeds to blow me off the face of the earth. So none to happy about that, I scream for people to head towards Cargo Bay hive to protect it. Wow, one single skulk runs and gets killed. I respawn hurry back kill that little SOB of a marine and re-evolve to a gorge to proceed with setting up defense. But of course its too late, the marines rush in kill all my wonderful turrets I scream something along the lines of "CAN'T YOU **obscenity** PROTECT YOUR GORGES OR YOUR STRUCTURES?!?"

Seriously what is wrong with people, if you SEE someone getting attacked or see a large number of structures getting killed at once DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!! The gorge is weak as all hell! He can't protect himself! Help the hive, by protecting your gorges! IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK? He is the bestower of the hives which in turn give you access to your precious Fades and Onos'!!! It's like the little fat kid in school who can't protect himself waiting for some cool kid to come stop his head getting flushed down the toilet every 5 minutes. You never know when that fat kid may bestow upon you LEGENDARY EVOLVING POWERS OF <b>1337</b> TO CRUSH ALL THE PUNY HUMANS INTO EXISTENCE!!!!!!



Weee I'm having <i>SO</i> much fun with NS!

Comments

  • StoneburgStoneburg Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8174Members
    Hehehee

    I agree 100%

    It is very sad when a gorg dies. I'm usually a gorg, and I get VERY sad when I die. Almost as sad as when a solo marine gets to knife one of my precious resource towers, while I am crying and screaming at the confused skulks to protect it.
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    o/~ I.. cry.. when Gorges deserve to die... o/~

    Seriously though.. Skulks? If you see a Gorge going ANYWHERE unattended, give him an escort. Until you get to two-hive, they can't defend themselves. It cost your team 13RP to *make* him a Gorge, and if he dies then that RP is wasted. Don't forget.. the Gorges are the ones who put up those nice Defensive Chambers to heal you when you're hurt. The Gorges are the ones who build hives, allowing you to go Fade. Gorges are the ones who build movement chambers, allowing you to get to Hives *fast* and grant you Adrenaline. Gorges are the ones who build Sensory, so you can cloak in the middle of a hall, wait for a Marine to bump into you, look confused, then lose it when you de-cloak by slashing him down where he stands.

    Though SOME Gorges do deserve to die.. mostly the ones who go Gorge to get the RP to go Lerk or (later in the game) Fade. Or those who won't listen when people are telling them to revert to Skulk, as only one or two Gorges are needed... half the team as Gorge kills their ability to build.


    <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo--> <<<b>CHOMPEH!!</b>>> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • MoNG_turdleMoNG_turdle Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9876Members
    crap man settle down its just a game, but i would agree that you protect gorges while they are building important structures.
  • InfinitumInfinitum Anime Encyclopedia Join Date: 2002-08-08 Member: 1111Members, Constellation
    Yes I am bringing hate to you all with a sub-heading involving the line chubsy ubsy..... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Y3tiY3ti Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7853Members
    Suck it up buttercup ^.^ *does a standard anime spin around and does the peace sign* o.o;

    No really, if you can't figure out that you build a resource noozle, then a o tower, then another and then a d chamber.. well let just say you deserve to die.

    And yes I usually play gorg <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> and lets face it they're not gonna help you!, so help yourself learn how to use the spit gun <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • InfinitumInfinitum Anime Encyclopedia Join Date: 2002-08-08 Member: 1111Members, Constellation
    Spitting is useless, you may as well try giving the marine a paper cut.

    Remember a gorge isn't an attack class and I only got enough points for 3 towers due to 'donations'. So I would have been screwed either way.
  • Y3tiY3ti Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7853Members
    Spitting is not useless <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> If you think it's useles you're useless! useless **obscenity** o.O
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    True. Spit's perfect for cleaning mines off of walls. That's about it. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    At two-hive, Gorge becomes a GREAT attack class for those with the skill to web the heck out of a group of Marines (Adrenaline is your FRIEND) then Healing Spray them to death. Does more damage than Spit at a lower Stamina cost, if I remember correctly. With a wider damage-field than a knife. So just web-web-web-web-spray-spray-web-web-web-web... keep it up, and you'll get a quad-kill with HS. Which is FUNNY to see pop up. Even more effective with a patient Skulk teamed up with you. Web them like crazy, and let the Skulk buzzsaw through 'em while you keep webbing. Can eventually (with enough webs) 'sew' a Marine down in place for a good long while. VERY fun to cocoon half the team, when their teammates come in to try and help them. Doesn't kill them so no respawn, opening up the Marine base to an easier attack. Have held four Marines in place indefinitely. Probably could have done more if all of them were in HA. LOTS of fun.


    <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo--> <<<b>CHOMPEH!!</b>>> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Mr_BeanMr_Bean Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7943Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->True. Spit's perfect for cleaning mines off of walls. That's about it<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    To bad it does not <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> (At least last time I checked 1.03)


    And yes I love the webbing the HA/HMG, I have a screeny somewhere of three HA I had webbed for nearly a full minute Swearing in the chat channel because of wittle me holding them there
  • Lt_WarhoundLt_Warhound Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7654Members
    Well, as a gorge, I have to laugh at your pain.

    First, you make no mention of asking for help BEFORE you needed it. Try talking to your team, arrange for cover in advance, before people get busy doing something they may not be willing to break away from. Or before they get too busy to notice your cries for help. Don't assume people will follow you around helping you, what, are they supposed to read your mind? Your average skulk is doing good to rush, a lot of them can't find the marine base, let alone a hive location - even with hive sight.

    Second, you built 3?!? RTs and no defenses? Baka. After the first tower went up, it was time to make an off chamber. You _know a marine was due to show up to scout the hive. If you didn't know it, then learn it. Gorge + Off chamber can take out the average LMG marine. Dodge a lot, keep the off chamber between you and the marine, healspray healspray healspray. If you had time to add in a def chamber, then you'd have had no trouble.

    Try working with your team, if you expect them to work with you. First step, communication.
  • MMZ_TorakMMZ_Torak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3770Members
    Gorge is <i>far</i> from defenseless. Firstly, a gorge with even one level of carapace can take on a lmg marine easily. Secondly, spit is a very good weapon against the lmg'er. Thirdly, like has been already stated, Res Tower, Off Chamber, Off chamber, Def Chamber. Learn it, live it, love it! Once you get web, gorges are almost as effective as skulks. With 3 levels of carapace, you can easily take out 2 marines, way more if you fight near off and def chambers. It's all about properly picking your killing ground and being aggressive.
  • DemerzelDemerzel Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9181Members
    i quit a map of eclipse the other day in disgust at the same situation, I got killed the first time evolving to gorge. So I ask skulks to screen the maint hive so I can set up defences. Several skulks proceed to the area. By the time I've respawned, got to maint hive, evolved to gorge and started to set up defences at hive I'm killed again by a pair of marines. The skulks have just charged off to hide in corners and get their personal score up.

    What a utter waste of about 70 rps. 2 evolutions to gorge, couple of offensive chambers and a resource tower wasted because the skulks won't protect the gorges early on.
  • hp_Siriushp_Sirius Join Date: 2002-11-21 Member: 9510Members
    So what your saying is you used an exploit "donation of RPs" and then you want to come **obscenity** about dying? sad. I expected more from you, given your previous posts.
  • AaronAaron vroom vroom der party startah Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7020Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--hp_Sirius+Nov 26 2002, 11:33 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (hp_Sirius @ Nov 26 2002, 11:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So what your saying is you used an exploit "donation of RPs" and then you want to come **obscenity** about dying? sad. I expected more from you, given your previous posts.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What on earth are you talking about??
  • DSYStaufDSYStauf Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4429Members
    edited November 2002
    <!--QuoteBegin--MMZ>Torak+Nov 26 2002, 01:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MMZ>Torak @ Nov 26 2002, 01:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Gorge is <i>far</i> from defenseless.  Firstly, a gorge with even one level of carapace can take on a lmg marine easily.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Easily? With level one carapace and nothing else? Come on! In a 1 on 1 showdown between a marine with lmg and a gorge with level 1 carapace (and one hive), I don't know about you, but I'm going to put my money on the marine; every time.
  • MMZ_TorakMMZ_Torak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3770Members
    A well known Alien bug where you can give all your RP to the rest of your team. Abuse of this or any bug is LAME.
  • MMZ_TorakMMZ_Torak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3770Members
    Yes, easily. A light armored Marine with an LMG better RUN if he sees me as a gorge! <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=21&t=12496&st=0&#entry148242' target='_blank'>Read This </a>if you doubt me. Gorges own.
  • DSYStaufDSYStauf Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4429Members
    I'm not saying that the gorge can't be used for killing marines, but in this thread we're takling about a lone gorge (no mass of defense and offense towers) and one hive (no web or babblers). Now, if you still say that the chances of a <b>lone</b> gorge winning against a basic marine are better than the marine winning, then I just don't get that. I'm not saying it can't happen, but if the marine isn't a moron (ie. runs up to the gorge and lets it using healing spray all over him; just stands while shooting and doesn't dodge the gorge spit) then the marine should have a significantly better chance of killing that gorge.
  • Y3tiY3ti Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7853Members
    I woulden't say that, but fi you know what you're doing, you can either kill the marine or scare him off.

    Jump alot, use the spit gun. and jump backwars and side to side when you jump. you can survive, he can not! Viva la resistance!
  • MMZ_TorakMMZ_Torak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3770Members
    Firstly, a gorge should not be caught without at least one OC. In such a circumstance, considering that both the gorge and the marine are of a competent skill level, if a gorge and a marine meet up early game, at the very least its a crap shoot. Gorges are not defenseless, and used properly, can hold their own alone vs. a "stock" marine. Once webs enter the equation, it starts to lean toward the gorge. That is until HA and HMG's come into play. Even than, a lone "heavy/heavy" is in trouble if he gets webbed.
  • HaydukeHayduke Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5048Members
    Another infuriating situation is when the skulks are protecting the gorges too much.

    Yesterday on eclipse almost all the skulks on my team were sitting around maintenance while the gorges built up a hive there. The gorges had plenty of defenses up yet the skulks kept sitting around even while the marines moved into eclipse.

    Offense is stronger than defense!
  • Y3tiY3ti Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7853Members
    I usually use a offensive defence... I.e I build random random O towers in hallways with 1 or 2 D chambers <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    I usually end up wit 30 kills(on a long enough game)
  • DoombringerDoombringer Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8679Members, Constellation
    This is what it sounds like.. when gorges die..
  • IncitatusIncitatus Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4316Members
    edited November 2002
    Personally I hate people like you who straight away run to a hive, become gorge and then sit there waiting being of absolutely no use to the team whatsoever. 9 out of 10 times a marine comes along when the gorge has build one RT or one OC and he dies wasting resources. There is absolutly no use in going gorge straight away. It is much better to run as a team all skulks to keep the marines busy and prevent them expanding. then when your 33/33 rush to a hive and start building but only then and not too many gorges. Not only is building much MUCH faster, but the marines are hours away from wandering in to a hive.

    And then you even want skulks to sit there and protect you! omg lol. yeah do that and let the marines expand to capture 20 resource nodes while your still saving for the hive. they'll have HMG and HA before you can go fade. pls guys if you ever find this guy in a game just let him die don't waste your time or effort.
  • MMZ_TorakMMZ_Torak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3770Members
    Incitatus, I couldn't agree more. The only thing worse is when 3 people go gorge as soon as the map starts. You can almost forget about getting a hive before Farmer Marine sets up his Sentry Crop.

    For the uninitiated: Gorges get a greater share of the resources taken in; however, that share is then devided among the active gorges. So more than 1 gorge before a second hive is taken is a massive drain on resources. One gorge is sufficient until the second hive is started.
  • InfinitumInfinitum Anime Encyclopedia Join Date: 2002-08-08 Member: 1111Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--hp_Sirius+Nov 27 2002, 01:33 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (hp_Sirius @ Nov 27 2002, 01:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So what your saying is you used an exploit "donation of RPs" and then you want to come **obscenity** about dying? sad. I expected more from you, given your previous posts.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No, I am telling you what happened. I got 2 donations from people on my team, I don't condone the act of donating to your gorges. It feels extremely cheap. But because of those donations I put up 3 towers instead of the one.

    The outcome would have been the same as well, I would have had 1 resource tower and at a quick estimate 1 offense tower. The marine also came around the backway where I wasn't planning to build OC's initially so I was screwed in any situation. This was like 2 minutes into the game mind you, so he was rushing out scouting/ramboing.

    After that I DID call for support, but noone came.

    Lt.Warhound: urasai baka-yaro.
  • Teufel_EldritchTeufel_Eldritch Join Date: 2002-01-28 Member: 124Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Incitatus+Nov 26 2002, 09:59 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Incitatus @ Nov 26 2002, 09:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Personally I hate people like you who straight away run to a hive, become gorge and then sit there waiting being of absolutely no use to the team whatsoever. 9 out of 10 times a marine comes along when the gorge has build one RT or one OC and he dies wasting resources. There is absolutly no use in going gorge straight away. It is much better to run as a team all skulks to keep the marines busy and prevent them expanding. then when your 33/33 rush to a hive and start building but only then and not too many gorges. Not only is building much MUCH faster, but the marines are hours away from wandering in to a hive.

    And then you even want skulks to sit there and protect you! omg lol. yeah do that and let the marines expand to capture 20 resource nodes while your still saving for the hive. they'll have HMG and HA before you can go fade. pls guys if you ever find this guy in a game just let him die don't waste your time or effort.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I disagree. If the skulks do thier job that gorge that you think is doing nothing can build the hive w/o distraction from the enemy. 7 times outta 10 if I rush to a hive location and get it going my team wins. More times than I can count my team has won due to the fact that I got a hive and resources up fast and/or locked down said hive. Mebbe Im just better than the other gorges that you have ran into, mebbe its just luck, but I can tell you with expierence that me rushing to a hive and getting it going is a great step towards victory.
  • coilcoil Amateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance. Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Warhound had the best response in here. As a Gorge, you *are* a commander of sorts... as such, inform your team where you're building up for a new hive - "I'm putting up a resource tower and defenses in Cargo Hive. Could someone come cover me, since I'll be putting up a hive soon? Also, if you see anything under attack over here, come help it!" Telling them you'll be putting up a hive is a good way to get their attention; they'll protect you if it's in their best interest (theoretically).

    The key is ask for help BEFORE you need it.
  • GenmaCGenmaC Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2002Members
    edited November 2002
    <img src='http://www.bol.ucla.edu/~mrolek/nsnuke.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>

    <span style='color:red'>Do not circumvent the swear filter, do no insult other board members.</span>
  • StoneburgStoneburg Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8174Members
    Wow, the quality of posts in this forum is going down at an insane rate <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Guys, try to *read* and *understand* posts before replying. Then take a moment to *think* about what you're saying.
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