<div class="IPBDescription">When playing NS....</div> I personally play at 1280x960 with 4xAA and 8x Anisotropic Filtering. It´s not necessery(sp?) at such a resolution but my computer handles it and my game looks beautiful.
despite having geforce4 4400, i have to run in 1280x960 to get 60ish fps (i only have a 1Ghz athlon, not enough to put the geforce4 to full power). And i cant live without 60fps.
<!--QuoteBegin--Typhon+Nov 26 2002, 08:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Typhon @ Nov 26 2002, 08:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->despite having geforce4 4400, i have to run in 1280x960 to get 60ish fps (i only have a 1Ghz athlon, not enough to put the geforce4 to full power). And i cant live without 60fps.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I too have a GeForce 4 Ti 4400, but I also have a 2 ghz P4. I can probably put it at anything I want, but I'm too lazy and my monitor is too small. (17").
I run 1024x768 (my desktop resolution) with maxed out everything.
I've got a GeForce3 Ti 200, and I have great FPS. Not sure what it is off the top of my head, but it's never been choppy once.
BTW, I also have my brightness at the default level - my roommates think I'm crazy because they have theirs up all the way, which basically takes out all the darkness. I've gotten used to it being dark, I suppose, because I don't have any trouble.
i cant tell which is best, some times when ive been playing, checked 1280x960, and every 45 secs or so, i would get one skipped frame, i dont know if that happens all the time, but for the couple of minutes i check it happened about 2-3 times, looks great, im surprised the HL engine is so good
Edit. new comp, 2.1ghz 512 ram, geforce 2 64 mb video card. think im good for 1280x960?
Half-life engine is ok... although there are games where the graphics look better and yet you get better fps Unreal Tournament 2003 for example... Although Half-life engine has something in it that people love...
I use 800X600... windowed <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> I love windowed mode, I can alt-tab all I want with no delay, and read chat and such in the corners around the HL window (1280X1024 desktop resolution), and there's no real FPS hit that I notice. (to do it, just put -window in the NS shortcut command line. So it's something like hl.exe -game NS -window , and some other stuff. I think O_o)
The Old: 1280x960 @ 60 FPS on a GeForce 2 MX. You guys need to learn how to tweak those systems better <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> And recently: 1280x960 on Radeon 9700 Pro *drool* 100 FPS!
Hellbilly it finally let me post! By the way I'll give my specs in the morning for now im gonna go pass out, ltr.. So much posting to do, in so little time! <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::sentry::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/turret.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='turret.gif'><!--endemo-->
I run at 1600x1200x16bit no FSAA on my clunky old Voodoo5 5500. FPS run maxed at 70 most all the time (I have that max fps thingy set in HL) with the worst dips maybe down to 50fps. Of course I have an AthlonXP 1800 so the old V5 ain't CPU bound.
I think 1600x1200 rocks and I'll never go back to 1024x768 :>
<b>EDIT:</b> Whoops I'm full of it. I run 40-100fps depending on the amount of junk on the screen. Oh well no biggie the Radeon 9700 Pro is arriving today <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Actually -- please correct me if I am mistaken -- I have read that the "30 FPS human eye limit" is only applicable to recordings of real life and such.
This is due to the fact that cameras will record the motion blur no matter what speed, and when played back the video thus appears seamless. Computer games, however, do not have this motion blur effect because each frame is like a still image that is generated and displayed in rapid succession with successive still images. Without the motion blur effect of real life (you will see motion blurs in real life through your own eye because it has to compress however many infesitesimal moments into a single image), I guess that the 30 FPS limit doesn't hold as much water.
Please note that I read this ages ago and so I may have gotten details wrong, or the whole thing may be flat out wrong by itself. If someone is researching the subject, I would be interested to know what details might be found.
Honestly, I see little difference between 40 fps or so and 100 fps, as long as it's *smooth*. I'd prefer a solid 45 to one that ranged from 60 to 100. I could probably put out 100 fps with my Geforce2 TI if my monitor refreshed that fast (and turning off vsync doesn't make ANY sense to me -- regardless of how fast the eye can see, if the monitor can't draw it, why render it in the first place?)
I dunno anything about "motion blur" ... seems to me whether the frames are in a movie or in a video game, the human eye sensitivity limit would be the same, but I dunno.
One actual benefit to having a higher-than-30 framerate is that if the server lags, or your machine lags and your FPS takes a hit, you have some buffer before it drops to an unnacceptable level. In other words, if you get 60 FPS, you can take as much as a -30 FPS hit from lag or whatever, and still have at least 30 FPS.
Edit: I forgot to post my specs ... I run 1600x1200 on an athlon 1.1 w/ 512 RAM and a GeForce 2 GTS. Using the "timerefresh" console command, it reports anywhere from 70 to 112 FPS, depending on if there are particle systems in the area or not, etc. I'd say during actual play, the FPS varies between 30 and 60, but I'm guessing.
and a lovely -20 fps to boot <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
I use 1600*1200 and it's perfectly fine most of the time, the LERK gas really slows it down though...
I only have a 1.2Ghz Athlon, Geforce 2 GTS and a 19" monitor, my PC is unfrotunately cronically ill, it'll probably die soon. If I ever shut down the PC it just refuses to boot up again, I press the power button the power led turns on for 1-2 seconds then it just dies. Strangely enough if you press the power button a couple of hundred times it eventually boots up (Im serious, once took me 1 hour and 35 minutes for me to turn on the PC!!!)
I never turn off the PC unless it crashes to avoid having to try to get it on again, but sometimes it just dies after being on a couple of days. And then it's almost impossible to get started again. I'd buy a new PC but I'll see how long this piece of junk lasts. Cause it's still fast enough and mostly stable.
I figure it's probably the motherboards fault I've got an ASUS A7M266 and I've read about LOADS of others having the same problem with this board. It's **obscenity** I'll never buy an ASUS mother board again.
<!--QuoteBegin--RazorClaw+Nov 27 2002, 12:41 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RazorClaw @ Nov 27 2002, 12:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I use 1600*1200 and it's perfectly fine most of the time, the fade gas really slows it down though...
I only have a 1.2Ghz Athlon, Geforce 2 GTS and a 19" monitor, my PC is unfrotunately cronically ill, it'll probably die soon. If I ever shut down the PC it just refuses to boot up again, I press the power button the power led turns on for 1-2 seconds then it just dies. Strangely enough if you press the power button a couple of hundred times it eventually boots up (Im serious, once took me 1 hour and 35 minutes for me to turn on the PC!!!)
I never turn off the PC unless it crashes to avoid having to try to get it on again, but sometimes it just dies after being on a couple of days. And then it's almost impossible to get started again. I'd buy a new PC but I'll see how long this piece of junk lasts. Cause it's still fast enough and mostly stable.
I figure it's probably the motherboards fault I've got an ASUS A7M266 and I've read about LOADS of others having the same problem with this board. It's **obscenity** I'll never buy an ASUS mother board again.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I once had that problem before, solution for me was..
Open tower Air compressor / air in a can will do fine Blow out all the dust, and blamo! Running perfect.
Well I do have 3 4” exterior fans, and 1 2” exterior, point is it collects a lot of dust.
PIII 500 MHz TNT 2 Max fps: approx. 45 Min fps: at least 5 (especially in a heavily barricaded marine base)
Talk about pain. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
*edit* Oh yeah because of my heavily out-dated system I am forced to play on a resolution of 800*600, otherwise it just wouldn?t be bearable... aahhh well but there still is christmas! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--xpoc`99th+Nov 27 2002, 12:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (xpoc`99th @ Nov 27 2002, 12:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I once had that problem before, solution for me was..
Open tower Air compressor / air in a can will do fine Blow out all the dust, and blamo! Running perfect.
Well I do have 3 4” exterior fans, and 1 2” exterior, point is it collects a lot of dust.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Perhaps I should try that... there are quite a considerable amount of dust in some places, especially close to the CPU one can hardly see the components under the dirt. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Whoever says that you can't see more then 35fps in a game should play the game and use the fps_max setting. Try 30, 60, and 100. You will notice a difference if your PC can handle it.
I run at 1024x768x32, 2xFSAA, 8xAnistropy, fps_max at 85. My monitor is 17", but 1024x768 is the highest resoulution I can go at 85hz. 60hz looks like crap and makes my eyes burn.
i got a 2200MHZ pentium4 512MB RAM with GeForce 2 GTS 64 MB and 17 inch monitor. that graphic card is actually an upgrade would you believe. it started with a MX and my friend gave me the GTS he got for his 500MHZ computer coz now he has better stuff. once DOOM3 comes out i will get all the best equipment and will make the 3d engine i'm creating really take advantage of that hardware since my current graphic card is not enough to handle the features.
i play at 1024 x 768 x 32bit with trilinear activated but no anti-aliasing and no vertical synchronization and i don't let the frame rate limit of half-life be low enough to affect it. i don't know the frames per second i get coz i don't know how to display it. funny thing is that if you disable vsync in half-life games you notice a frame skipping type of effect. it's really annoying. i can't get rid of it. i thought it was the sound buffer being too big but that's not it. i never notice my frame rate suffer in NS except when lots or lerk gas is on screen or when i'm spectator flying through the void.
EDIT- flying through the void doesn't seem to be slow anymore. i really thought it was slow before though. i must be going crazy.
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All thanks to my SiS card...oh happy days!
(get around 40 - 60 fp/s in this mode...anything in Open GL mode ill get < 15 fp/s...and for anything higher in Direct 3d mode ill get 15 - 22 fp/s)
I too have a GeForce 4 Ti 4400, but I also have a 2 ghz P4. I can probably put it at anything I want, but I'm too lazy and my monitor is too small. (17").
I've got a GeForce3 Ti 200, and I have great FPS. Not sure what it is off the top of my head, but it's never been choppy once.
BTW, I also have my brightness at the default level - my roommates think I'm crazy because they have theirs up all the way, which basically takes out all the darkness. I've gotten used to it being dark, I suppose, because I don't have any trouble.
Edit. new comp, 2.1ghz 512 ram, geforce 2 64 mb video card. think im good for 1280x960?
I love windowed mode, I can alt-tab all I want with no delay, and read chat and such in the corners around the HL window (1280X1024 desktop resolution), and there's no real FPS hit that I notice.
(to do it, just put -window in the NS shortcut command line. So it's something like hl.exe -game NS -window , and some other stuff. I think O_o)
And recently: 1280x960 on Radeon 9700 Pro *drool* 100 FPS!
I think 1600x1200 rocks and I'll never go back to 1024x768 :>
<b>EDIT:</b> Whoops I'm full of it. I run 40-100fps depending on the amount of junk on the screen. Oh well no biggie the Radeon 9700 Pro is arriving today <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
This is due to the fact that cameras will record the motion blur no matter what speed, and when played back the video thus appears seamless. Computer games, however, do not have this motion blur effect because each frame is like a still image that is generated and displayed in rapid succession with successive still images. Without the motion blur effect of real life (you will see motion blurs in real life through your own eye because it has to compress however many infesitesimal moments into a single image), I guess that the 30 FPS limit doesn't hold as much water.
Please note that I read this ages ago and so I may have gotten details wrong, or the whole thing may be flat out wrong by itself. If someone is researching the subject, I would be interested to know what details might be found.
Looking Glass,
Firedrake
I could probably put out 100 fps with my Geforce2 TI if my monitor refreshed that fast (and turning off vsync doesn't make ANY sense to me -- regardless of how fast the eye can see, if the monitor can't draw it, why render it in the first place?)
Human Eye "Specs"
Motion blur at: 24 fps (NTSC Film)
Limit of optical capacity: 72 fps (which is why 75Hz is the "minimum refresh rate")
Perceptual ability: 200+fps (You'll react, but won't "see" it)
Resolution: 20000+ dpi, 7+ billion colours
- M4H
I got always over 70fps.
AMD AthlonXP 1800+, GeForce4Ti 4200..
One actual benefit to having a higher-than-30 framerate is that if the server lags, or your machine lags and your FPS takes a hit, you have some buffer before it drops to an unnacceptable level. In other words, if you get 60 FPS, you can take as much as a -30 FPS hit from lag or whatever, and still have at least 30 FPS.
Edit: I forgot to post my specs ... I run 1600x1200 on an athlon 1.1 w/ 512 RAM and a GeForce 2 GTS. Using the "timerefresh" console command, it reports anywhere from 70 to 112 FPS, depending on if there are particle systems in the area or not, etc. I'd say during actual play, the FPS varies between 30 and 60, but I'm guessing.
Visiontek GF3 64mb DDR Ram
512MB pc/2100 DDR Ram
k7 T-bird 1.4Ghz Clocked to 1.6
and a lovely -20 fps to boot <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
it sux0rs
I only have a 1.2Ghz Athlon, Geforce 2 GTS and a 19" monitor, my PC is unfrotunately cronically ill, it'll probably die soon. If I ever shut down the PC it just refuses to boot up again, I press the power button the power led turns on for 1-2 seconds then it just dies. Strangely enough if you press the power button a couple of hundred times it eventually boots up (Im serious, once took me 1 hour and 35 minutes for me to turn on the PC!!!)
I never turn off the PC unless it crashes to avoid having to try to get it on again, but sometimes it just dies after being on a couple of days. And then it's almost impossible to get started again. I'd buy a new PC but I'll see how long this piece of junk lasts. Cause it's still fast enough and mostly stable.
I figure it's probably the motherboards fault I've got an ASUS A7M266 and I've read about LOADS of others having the same problem with this board. It's **obscenity** I'll never buy an ASUS mother board again.
I only have a 1.2Ghz Athlon, Geforce 2 GTS and a 19" monitor, my PC is unfrotunately cronically ill, it'll probably die soon. If I ever shut down the PC it just refuses to boot up again, I press the power button the power led turns on for 1-2 seconds then it just dies. Strangely enough if you press the power button a couple of hundred times it eventually boots up (Im serious, once took me 1 hour and 35 minutes for me to turn on the PC!!!)
I never turn off the PC unless it crashes to avoid having to try to get it on again, but sometimes it just dies after being on a couple of days. And then it's almost impossible to get started again. I'd buy a new PC but I'll see how long this piece of junk lasts. Cause it's still fast enough and mostly stable.
I figure it's probably the motherboards fault I've got an ASUS A7M266 and I've read about LOADS of others having the same problem with this board. It's **obscenity** I'll never buy an ASUS mother board again.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I once had that problem before, solution for me was..
Open tower
Air compressor / air in a can will do fine
Blow out all the dust, and blamo! Running perfect.
Well I do have 3 4” exterior fans, and 1 2” exterior, point is it collects a lot of dust.
TNT 2
Max fps: approx. 45
Min fps: at least 5 (especially in a heavily barricaded marine base)
Talk about pain. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
*edit* Oh yeah because of my heavily out-dated system I am forced to play on a resolution of 800*600, otherwise it just wouldn?t be bearable... aahhh well but there still is christmas! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Open tower
Air compressor / air in a can will do fine
Blow out all the dust, and blamo! Running perfect.
Well I do have 3 4” exterior fans, and 1 2” exterior, point is it collects a lot of dust.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Perhaps I should try that... there are quite a considerable amount of dust in some places, especially close to the CPU one can hardly see the components under the dirt. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I run at 1024x768x32, 2xFSAA, 8xAnistropy, fps_max at 85. My monitor is 17", but 1024x768 is the highest resoulution I can go at 85hz. 60hz looks like crap and makes my eyes burn.
i play at 1024 x 768 x 32bit with trilinear activated but no anti-aliasing and no vertical synchronization and i don't let the frame rate limit of half-life be low enough to affect it. i don't know the frames per second i get coz i don't know how to display it. funny thing is that if you disable vsync in half-life games you notice a frame skipping type of effect. it's really annoying. i can't get rid of it. i thought it was the sound buffer being too big but that's not it. i never notice my frame rate suffer in NS except when lots or lerk gas is on screen or when i'm spectator flying through the void.
EDIT- flying through the void doesn't seem to be slow anymore. i really thought it was slow before though. i must be going crazy.
"fps_max" will set the max allowed framerate.