<!--quoteo(post=1679120:date=May 22 2008, 12:19 AM:name=PAIN)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(PAIN @ May 22 2008, 12:19 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1679120"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I believe the ANSL and even NS could be brought back as long as people can control how they talk to each other. Maybe some of you are better than others. Does that really matter? Does it have to be rubbed in the other teams face of how much better you are than them. I'm not talking about anyone in paticular but I feel that this is one of the main problem with the game and the competitive scene. Just my opinion.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Taking this a bit offtopic, but why is it always competetive players getting blamed? I mean, at least in EU the most of the newbie abusers are people who have just learned how to play siege007 and think they're the top class now. Sure, clanners are more or less griefers too, but not as much as they're blamed.
<!--quoteo(post=1679112:date=May 21 2008, 04:58 PM:name=Milo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Milo @ May 21 2008, 04:58 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1679112"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Trash talking exists in every competitive game. It's just the nature of the beast. CS has about 100 times the trash talk that NS ever had, and they're still thriving. ANSL is dead because NS is dead. Plain and simple.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Do you think the trash-talking helped promote the NS competitive scene?
I'd play on the server, or try to when there are players on, but my days of learning how to bunny hop even worse because I'm populating dead servers are over...
<!--quoteo(post=1679302:date=May 23 2008, 02:50 PM:name=Emanon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Emanon @ May 23 2008, 02:50 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1679302"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Provide an example of any competative activity that doesnt have trash talk.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Lawn bowls.
The trash talk is symptomatic of the players, not the fact that they are playing competitively. If a tourney or league dealt out point penalties for personal insults and unsportsmanlike behaviour it would probably be more popular (not necessarily in terms of competitors, but in terms of NSPlayer interest.
Heh, my lawn bowls are worse than NS compet leagues. Golf is probably the closest I can think of mostly because of its non head to head action.
Obscure reference: This reminds me of the Celtics Cleveland game a few days ago, anyone see KG look up into the crowd and call them ######ing ######gots.....LOL
Anyhow, try the server....If you need some help financially or server setup let me know, I can probably chip in.
<!--quoteo(post=1679247:date=May 22 2008, 08:54 PM:name=Milo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Milo @ May 22 2008, 08:54 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1679247"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Some random pub admin? That's a pretty big answer for a 3 word question.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->LOL! WTF ever dude... Yes! You got me! I'm soooo nervous of a 20 man server that I am willing to donate to and support. What kind of logic is that ######? I'm done with this topic, say what you want. You win.
Best Regards, <BAD>Hunter<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--quoteo(post=1679163:date=May 22 2008, 08:53 AM:name=Mac1OMan)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mac1OMan @ May 22 2008, 08:53 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1679163"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Haha! Nervous? You must not know what I'm trying to say or who I am for that matter. <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Just from that, you should see that I'm supporting you. If anything, our server would be more inviting to the less skilled players. By all means go for it, I would love to see it work. (no sarcasm intended)
I might even consider donating to the cause and helping out if their was enough support. Don't judge someone without getting to know them. Go have fun on forums trying to revive the game a bit.
... Nervous? Get the ###### out. This isn't business, its a ######ing game. I'm here to enjoy it, and support the fun. I'm not a 'competitor'. Call me what you want though. Any supporter is better than making them an enemy.
In the end, everyone is welcome to our servers, so long as you can follow simple rules, and try to get along.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually I dont, who are you? Do you have some sort of "reputation" that we should be aware of?
<!--quoteo(post=1679302:date=May 23 2008, 01:50 PM:name=Emanon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Emanon @ May 23 2008, 01:50 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1679302"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Provide an example of any competative activity that doesnt have trash talk.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Chess?
I hope you do get it set it up. The more servers the better.
Well this is interesting indeed. A new server? For the hardcore people, not for casuals? Is there even a line anymore? Honestly, maybe like a year ago, but now how can anyone distinguish such groups...especially in the the USA. I am not trying to destroy the idea or anything, but it will fail epically. NS is not dead. That's for sure, but it is on its last leg. Futile attempts are demoralizing. Find a current server and become a part of it. That is the only option left in the NS community. The NS community needs to be solid. It does not need to expand to the point of only being a big empty shell. Let's make this clear. Over expansion stifles the entire community as a whole. If one does that then people will start to wonder where everyone went. Then they would soon lose interest in the entire game. Then more people will say, "hey let's make ourselves a new server, so we can go back to the good old days". The community would fall into a more serious downward spiral of losing its members. Those good old days are long gone buddy. If they come back they won't be because of your server. It would be because of NS2.
<!--quoteo(post=1678613:date=May 14 2008, 03:40 PM:name=Exile331)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Exile331 @ May 14 2008, 03:40 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1678613"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->bl1tz and I are thinking of buying a 20man public Chicago server due to the fact that there are only 2 classic servers that still run today. 1 of which is G4B2S, which it seems 99% of the skilled community is banned from, and the other is the <BAD> server. no pun intended.
We are simply wondering if there is anyone out there that would play on our classic-only server where there are no homo admins and you can actually play a good game of NS for once.
a "yes, i'd possibly play there" or a "no, i wouldnt play there." will suffice.
restating the fact that NS is dead/dying wont do anybody any good. in a sense this will help bring back the community of talented players.
cant tell you the number of times I want to play NS but there are no servers to play on, so i dont.
<!--quoteo(post=1679407:date=May 25 2008, 06:26 AM:name=maruchanlol)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(maruchanlol @ May 25 2008, 06:26 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1679407"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You know what, i would play there. Yep.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Would that justify it though? I mean in the sense of having a whole new server for aroun 30 people. You may 30 people or so who say they are going to play on the server, but you have 24 hours in a day and seven days a week. It could hardly ever be filled at a decent level. It simply won't work. This is simply not possible anymore. It would have been possible last summer, but not now.
<!--quoteo(post=1679409:date=May 25 2008, 09:04 AM:name=Westwood)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Westwood @ May 25 2008, 09:04 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1679409"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->to be honest: I dont know whats meant with "Classic" You mean Servers wehre only "ns" maps are played, or do you mean the "classic" NS 1.4 ?
Greetings from Vienna<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I believe they mean NS maps only. That is how I have understood it.
<!--quoteo(post=1679074:date=May 21 2008, 01:30 AM:name=PAIN)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(PAIN @ May 21 2008, 01:30 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1679074"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Maybe that's the reason the ANSL is dead now? Everytime I watched a scrim there would be nothing but trash talk. No kind of sprtsmanship. No good gmae after it was over. Even the American Vs Euro scrim there were people changing their names to try and offend people. Sorry, I'm a little off topic.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If people cannot handle the rhetoric that often comes with a defeat they have no business competing in ANYTHING, nevermind online FPS.
<!--quoteo(post=1679420:date=May 25 2008, 03:18 PM:name=Firewater)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Firewater @ May 25 2008, 03:18 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1679420"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If people cannot handle the rhetoric that often comes with a defeat they have no business competing in ANYTHING, nevermind online FPS.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The point that Pain is trying to make is the loss of sportsmanship or gamemanship or whatever it may be called. The loss of such is a loss to all. Bad mouthing people is one thing, but if you lose the sportsmanship in the game then it leaves a horrific taste in everyones' mouth who are trying to have fun. Henceforth, the fun is ruined. If the fun is ruined then people leave. The only ones left are the pathetic few who thrive upon non-sportsmanlike gaming. The organization they belong to becomes an abomination in a sense. Even then those few who thrive on such leave because they can't stand not making others' game experience suffer by being a jerk. Mean comments etc. are one thing, but unsportsmanlike gaming is totally another. That is the point being stressed.
You do not seem to have a firm grasp of the concept of gamesmanship versus sportsmanship, nor did you interpret PAIN's comment correctly.
He is speaking of his distaste for the name calling, and bad-mouthing which is inherent with ANY competitive sport. This is called gamesmanship.
Also people play this game for fun, this is true. However people play competitively to (guess what) COMPETE. Competition can become fierce. Somepeople were not cut out for such play, and that's why they stick to pubs.
What you call unsportsmanlike, is what I call gamesmanship. And that's why I am a competitive player, and you are not.
Sorry man we beat you to it. We just reached an agreement with the BAD clan and bought a ALL NS server so come and test ours and see how it goes your welcome any TIME!
64.94.238.43:27015 <BAD> Clan Server 3 (NS ONLY) We are not in the clan we just wanted a popular name to draw attention to the server.
<!--quoteo(post=1679444:date=May 25 2008, 06:39 PM:name=Milo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Milo @ May 25 2008, 06:39 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1679444"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->He is speaking of his distaste for the name calling, and bad-mouthing which is inherent with ANY competitive sport. This is called gamesmanship.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Did you just indirectly call online competitive gaming a sport?
<!--quoteo(post=1679439:date=May 25 2008, 09:12 PM:name=Vigis)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Vigis @ May 25 2008, 09:12 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1679439"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The point that Pain is trying to make is the loss of sportsmanship or gamemanship or whatever it may be called. The loss of such is a loss to all. Bad mouthing people is one thing, but if you lose the sportsmanship in the game then it leaves a horrific taste in everyones' mouth who are trying to have fun. Henceforth, the fun is ruined. If the fun is ruined then people leave. The only ones left are the pathetic few who thrive upon non-sportsmanlike gaming. The organization they belong to becomes an abomination in a sense. Even then those few who thrive on such leave because they can't stand not making others' game experience suffer by being a jerk. Mean comments etc. are one thing, but unsportsmanlike gaming is totally another. That is the point being stressed.
Maybe <BAD> should host a pro 16 player server ...
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64.94.238.43:27015 <BAD> Clan Server 3 (NS ONLY) We are not in the clan we just wanted a popular name to draw attention to the server.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Taking this a bit offtopic, but why is it always competetive players getting blamed? I mean, at least in EU the most of the newbie abusers are people who have just learned how to play siege007 and think they're the top class now. Sure, clanners are more or less griefers too, but not as much as they're blamed.
Do you think the trash-talking helped promote the NS competitive scene?
I'd play on the server, or try to when there are players on, but my days of learning how to bunny hop even worse because I'm populating dead servers are over...
The trash talk is symptomatic of the players, not the fact that they are playing competitively. If a tourney or league dealt out point penalties for personal insults and unsportsmanlike behaviour it would probably be more popular (not necessarily in terms of competitors, but in terms of NSPlayer interest.
Heh, my lawn bowls are worse than NS compet leagues. Golf is probably the closest I can think of mostly because of its non head to head action.
Obscure reference:
This reminds me of the Celtics Cleveland game a few days ago, anyone see KG look up into the crowd and call them ######ing ######gots.....LOL
Anyhow, try the server....If you need some help financially or server setup let me know, I can probably chip in.
BTW whats wrong with the ND website?
That's a pretty big answer for a 3 word question.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->LOL! WTF ever dude... Yes! You got me! I'm soooo nervous of a 20 man server that I am willing to donate to and support. What kind of logic is that ######? I'm done with this topic, say what you want. You win.
Best Regards,
<BAD>Hunter<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
<!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Just from that, you should see that I'm supporting you. If anything, our server would be more inviting to the less skilled players. By all means go for it, I would love to see it work. (no sarcasm intended)
I might even consider donating to the cause and helping out if their was enough support. Don't judge someone without getting to know them. Go have fun on forums trying to revive the game a bit.
... Nervous? Get the ###### out. This isn't business, its a ######ing game. I'm here to enjoy it, and support the fun. I'm not a 'competitor'. Call me what you want though. Any supporter is better than making them an enemy.
In the end, everyone is welcome to our servers, so long as you can follow simple rules, and try to get along.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually I dont, who are you? Do you have some sort of "reputation" that we should be aware of?
Chess?
I hope you do get it set it up. The more servers the better.
Sorry:
<a href="http://break.com/index/sex-toy-helicopter-interrupts-speech.html" target="_blank">http://break.com/index/sex-toy-helicopter-...pts-speech.html</a>
It exists everywhere.
God bless.
Saint Anthony of Padua
We are simply wondering if there is anyone out there that would play on our classic-only server where there are no homo admins and you can actually play a good game of NS for once.
a "yes, i'd possibly play there" or a "no, i wouldnt play there." will suffice.
restating the fact that NS is dead/dying wont do anybody any good. in a sense this will help bring back the community of talented players.
cant tell you the number of times I want to play NS but there are no servers to play on, so i dont.
Thanks!
Exile @ #betterthanyou<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
to be honest: I dont know whats meant with "Classic"
You mean Servers wehre only "ns" maps are played, or do you mean the "classic" NS 1.4 ?
Greetings from Vienna
Would that justify it though? I mean in the sense of having a whole new server for aroun 30 people. You may 30 people or so who say they are going to play on the server, but you have 24 hours in a day and seven days a week. It could hardly ever be filled at a decent level. It simply won't work. This is simply not possible anymore. It would have been possible last summer, but not now.
God speed.
Tony
You mean Servers wehre only "ns" maps are played, or do you mean the "classic" NS 1.4 ?
Greetings from Vienna<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I believe they mean NS maps only. That is how I have understood it.
Go with God.
Tony
If people cannot handle the rhetoric that often comes with a defeat they have no business competing in ANYTHING, nevermind online FPS.
The point that Pain is trying to make is the loss of sportsmanship or gamemanship or whatever it may be called. The loss of such is a loss to all. Bad mouthing people is one thing, but if you lose the sportsmanship in the game then it leaves a horrific taste in everyones' mouth who are trying to have fun. Henceforth, the fun is ruined. If the fun is ruined then people leave. The only ones left are the pathetic few who thrive upon non-sportsmanlike gaming. The organization they belong to becomes an abomination in a sense. Even then those few who thrive on such leave because they can't stand not making others' game experience suffer by being a jerk. Mean comments etc. are one thing, but unsportsmanlike gaming is totally another. That is the point being stressed.
God speed.
Tony
You do not seem to have a firm grasp of the concept of gamesmanship versus sportsmanship, nor did you interpret PAIN's comment correctly.
He is speaking of his distaste for the name calling, and bad-mouthing which is inherent with ANY competitive sport. This is called gamesmanship.
Also people play this game for fun, this is true. However people play competitively to (guess what) COMPETE. Competition can become fierce. Somepeople were not cut out for such play, and that's why they stick to pubs.
What you call unsportsmanlike, is what I call gamesmanship. And that's why I am a competitive player, and you are not.
If it doesn't work, oh well. If it does, even better.
64.94.238.43:27015
<BAD> Clan Server 3 (NS ONLY)
We are not in the clan we just wanted a popular name to draw attention to the server.
Hopefully, there will be some of this <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/asrifle.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::asrifle::" border="0" alt="asrifle.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/siege.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::siege::" border="0" alt="siege.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/skulk.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::skulk::" border="0" alt="skulk.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/pudgy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::gorge::" border="0" alt="pudgy.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hive5.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::hive::" border="0" alt="hive5.gif" />
Did you just indirectly call online competitive gaming a sport?
Yes. Do you have a problem with that?
God speed.
Tony<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Satan be Praised.
Dominic
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<!--QuoteBegin-eliteXFIRE+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(eliteXFIRE)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Sorry man we beat you to it. We just reached an agreement with the BAD clan and bought a ALL NS server so come and test ours and see how it goes your welcome any TIME!
64.94.238.43:27015
<BAD> Clan Server 3 (NS ONLY)
We are not in the clan we just wanted a popular name to draw attention to the server.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
LOL whut?