New Level Of Lame

GreyPaws · November 2002

<div class="IPBDescription">wheres my prozak?</div> Ok so Im COMM, I think I was playing in Redphive 2. I started using the Arms lab appraoch (2 inf ports, Armory, Arms Lab, armor upgrade) I had one really good marine who took unnamed hive and secured it, we took a few random res and everything was going well, untill the game started to get heavy. We fought our way into the mess hall and secured it (lev 2 weaps and armor up, lev 3 weaps on the way) I set a WP near the stairs of the hive close to Mess and 3 marines went to it, we built a turret fact, and I managed to drop 2 regular turrets as the factory was upgrading. The marines by the factory wouldnt build the turrets, the kept trying to go up the stairs and attack the off chambs, after some yelling, I manged to get them to build the turrets and I dropped a sige (thinking HELL YEAH WE OWN) Not only did they not build the sige, but after I yelled one of they said

"I refuse to sige hives, its a noob tacktic"

I was sooo stunned to hear BS talk like that, suffice it to say we lost that outpost because the moron didnt want to build the sige and the 2 noobs who were with him followed him around, they got torn up by fades and it took me over 30 min to win. We had fully upped weaps and armor, HA, and HMGs were plentiful, and the **obscenity** on the ground kept telling the noobs not to build siges, I finally had the guy who secured unnamed single handedly build the outpost and siges, no backup he was briliant. Anyway I thought I was gunna have an anurism while I was playing... theres really no excuse for shi t like that

I feel better.... if anyone else wants to post retarded crap their grunts have done be my guest

Typhon · November 2002

regarding people's opinions on seige, there is one server that i've been on, -nc- or something, that will BAN you if you use seiges for offense. They only let you use seige cannons for defense (WTF???) in your main base, or in a hive that you've taken over by 'non-lame' means. Next they'll probably ban aliens if they get their third hive or something. I can't understand people thinking they know how this game is supposed to be balanced (after playing it for what, one month?) and think the devs are off their rockers.

ASE really needs a 'never display this server' option so i can filter out these retards.

Sirus · November 2002

Use your resources eh? theres no reason to not use a siege cannon. Its in there for a reason. Its actually smart to use what ou have. And the best thing about a siege is that you can manually siege 2 hives at once, maybe even 3. Sieges at one hive, and a group of Ha/hmg marines at the other.

Sycophant · November 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>"I refuse to sige hives, its a noob tacktic"</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

I can understand why some people would say something like that. Most people play to win; some people play to actually be part of the action.

Running into a well-defended hive with guns blazing is the definition of a good raid for some people. For others, it's letting the commander drop siege cannons and then defending them while the cannons rip the hive apart.

Not everyone likes the same style of game, so there's bound to be disagreements in tactics. But as far as I'm concerned, the commander is law for the marines. If he says build a siege cannon, you either build it or go to another server.

Just my $0.02. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Maveric · November 2002

i just finished commanding a EXCELENT GAME. i used seiges and no one bi***ed at me. some were mad that i wasn't giving them guns/armor for some obvious reason...

"If you keep talking *explative* about seiges i aint gonna give u *explative*!"
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

and it works, too.

PS: if they boot you from comm (or ban you from server [WTF!?!?]) when they are assualting a hive, never play on that server again since they care more about their "beliefes" about the seige. the fools.

GreyPaws · November 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Maveric @ Nov 29 2002, 11:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>i just finished commanding a EXCELENT GAME. i used seiges and no one bi***ed at me. some were mad that i wasn't giving them guns/armor for some obvious reason...

"If you keep talking *explative* about seiges i aint gonna give u *explative*!"
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

and it works, too.

PS: if they boot you from comm (or ban you from server [WTF!?!?]) when they are assualting a hive, never play on that server again since they care more about their "beliefes" about the seige. the fools.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Amen

Speed_2_Dave · November 2002

try not to sidestep the cuss filters, please..

I agree, though, besides in 1.02 (where a typo allowed marines to build sieges for 15, and reactivate them with a mere turret factory), there is NO reason whatsoever to not build sieges.. Marines are usually too stupid to survive an assault on a "well-defended hive," so sieging is the only way to go. Plus if you have one good marine, he can build and defend a siege on a hive against skulks for about 10 minutes, no problem (i've done that)

Supposedly that's fixed in 1.03, so it shouldn't matter anymore.. Anyone who thinks sieges should be banned should go back to their "No AWP" servers in CS <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'>

The_Finch · November 2002

Siege posts take a good amount of time to build. I've busted up my share and it's not overly hard. If they're having problems with sieges, they should try something easier. Like Pong.

Elric · November 2002

Yeah, I played on some server with the no siege rule. When I noticed the lasers coming out of the marines guns, it was an easy decision to just find a good server.

Turtle · November 2002

I think the lasers are a pretty cool effect, but they server more to give away the marine positions than anything else. If the lasers were actually in the game, gave some accuracy benefit, and could be turned off by the players, that would be interesting. Otherwise they're too much of a dead giveaway for marine positions. Dead being the key word. Someone else said that making the lasers visible only by marines makes them VERY useful in seeing where your teammates are aiming.

Back on topic, playing with no sieges is like playing with one arm chopped off. It's just another part of the game, and if the alien players can't deal with the rather obvious and noisy build up of a siege base, then perhaps they should lose.

As for not getting any action. I think players get enough action just getting in to position to siege a base, or taking the first hive. A good alien team will put up a tremendous fight for any room in range to siege a hive.

I usually only siege the second hive, with the first hive being taken at the start, and the third hive I like to give my marines a nice fight, so I secure resources, then deck everyone out on their favorite equipment and tell them to march in. If there's a massive chamber nest, I usually siege that, but I rarely siege the last hive unless it's the only way to win.

Even without sieges, a group of heavy armored marines constantly welding eachother up is just as effective as a siege base. I had a group of three HA with 2 HMG, a grenade launcher, and all welders basically wipe the map clean while the rest of my marines goofed off. However, the reasons why commanders don't often go this route is because most marine players waste it by running off and getting killed a la CS.

Pi_Gi · November 2002

As much as I know the tactic is effective and is functional.... for me.... it just eliminates a part of the game. There's no direct threat to you, you don't have to fire, you just sit and wait. Or.... shoot at the kharaa when they charge you. I'd rather get involved and shoot something. I usually use them in conjunction with a direct assault. Clears things much faster, not to mention, you can wipe out vital buildings(aka movement chambers and defense chambers) if you choose to target them. So yea I've used the tactic as comm before, but then I always get my marines involved. Otherwise, it becomes a middle age siege, and those were just nasty.

ShadowWolf · November 2002

I also played on the server with the siege rule. If you admins see this, YOU ARE LAME. I mean yeah its your server but who are you to make balance judgements on a game you didn't make, thats only been out for a month, and is very complex. It impacts the game in so many ways.

The truth is, siege cannons are becoming to ns what AWPS are to cs. Everyone likes to use them but everyone likes to **obscenity** about them too.

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/siege.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='siege.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wow.gif'>

Eat my siege.

GreyPaws · November 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pi Gi @ Nov 30 2002, 01:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>As much as I know the tactic is effective and is functional.... for me.... it just eliminates a part of the game. There's no direct threat to you, you don't have to fire, you just sit and wait. Or.... shoot at the kharaa when they charge you. I'd rather get involved and shoot something. I usually use them in conjunction with a direct assault. Clears things much faster, not to mention, you can wipe out vital buildings(aka movement chambers and defense chambers) if you choose to target them. So yea I've used the tactic as comm before, but then I always get my marines involved. Otherwise, it becomes a middle age siege, and those were just nasty.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
marines:

we are paid to get in and clean up, not dilly dally around and see how much honor we can score by having noble battles

as far as marine involvement goes... u try building a siege outpost while a fade is puking all over u.

there are no bloodless wars, only long and short ones.

Jeb3diah · November 2002

Just tell them to build the seige or they don't get any weapons/armour.

Question · November 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jeb3diah @ Nov 30 2002, 03:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Just tell them to build the seige or they don't get any weapons/armour.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Yea and......

"omfg comm sucks he wont give us anything and he is using n00b seige!!!!eject!!!!1111111"

Bishop_Gantry · November 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GreyPaws @ Nov 29 2002, 10:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Ok so Im COMM, I think I was playing in Redphive 2. I started using the Arms lab appraoch (2 inf ports, Armory, Arms Lab, armor upgrade) I had one really good marine who took unnamed hive and secured it, we took a few random res and everything was going well, untill the game started to get heavy. We fought our way into the mess hall and secured it (lev 2 weaps and armor up, lev 3 weaps on the way) I set a WP near the stairs of the hive close to Mess and 3 marines went to it, we built a turret fact, and I managed to drop 2 regular turrets as the factory was upgrading. The marines by the factory wouldnt build the turrets, the kept trying to go up the stairs and attack the off chambs, after some yelling, I manged to get them to build the turrets and I dropped a sige (thinking HELL YEAH WE OWN) Not only did they not build the sige, but after I yelled one of they said

"I refuse to sige hives, its a noob tacktic"

I was sooo stunned to hear BS talk like that, suffice it to say we lost that outpost because the moron didnt want to build the sige and the 2 noobs who were with him followed him around, they got torn up by fades and it took me over 30 min to win. We had fully upped weaps and armor, HA, and HMGs were plentiful, and the **obscenity** on the ground kept telling the noobs not to build siges, I finally had the guy who secured unnamed single handedly build the outpost and siges, no backup he was briliant. Anyway I thought I was gunna have an anurism while I was playing... theres really no excuse for shi t like that

I feel better.... if anyone else wants to post retarded crap their grunts have done be my guest</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
That exceptionally good marine that secured the Hive he wasent Tester was he??? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

And yes its frustrating when marines refuses to follow their commander especially sicne they will loose because of it

Dantes · November 2002

Greypaws?

I assume you play as "Greypaws"?

Because that is a crazy coincidence I was in a game today and our commander was named 'peter' I think.

And I set up a small outpost outside some offensive chambers and asked him to lay some seige turrets. AND HE WOULDN'T.

His exact words were "I don't seige hives, that's a n00b tactic."

It wasn't even I hive either, I find it more fun to kill a hive myself and always do, but this dude was ignorant.

Maybe it was the same guy.

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