Ingame ragdol and sprinting?

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  • TekoppenTekoppen Join Date: 2008-02-05 Member: 63584Members, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester
    I fear the ragdoll will be just like that...
  • ShalrathShalrath Join Date: 2009-04-20 Member: 67237Members
    Collision on ragdoll bodies is a nightmare for coding/memory optimization. I'd assume (and hope) they dont do it.

    And to be honest, 90% of the time ragdolls look hilarious, not realistic.
  • TekoppenTekoppen Join Date: 2008-02-05 Member: 63584Members, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester
    edited August 2009
    <!--quoteo(post=1722913:date=Aug 14 2009, 10:21 PM:name=Shalrath)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shalrath @ Aug 14 2009, 10:21 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1722913"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Collision on ragdoll bodies is a nightmare for coding/memory optimization. I'd assume (and hope) they dont do it.

    And to be honest, 90% of the time ragdolls look hilarious, not realistic.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Depending on the physics.

    And as far as i know NS2 seems to have good physics.
  • TekoppenTekoppen Join Date: 2008-02-05 Member: 63584Members, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester
    I wish to be answered by the people who knows if there will or not be, and what kind of ragdoll in the game.
  • Sumo-SoldierSumo-Soldier Join Date: 2009-07-24 Member: 68249Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1723107:date=Aug 16 2009, 08:49 PM:name=Tekoppen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tekoppen @ Aug 16 2009, 08:49 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1723107"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I wish to be answered by the people who knows if there will or not be, and what kind of ragdoll in the game.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    they probably haven't even started thinking about ragdoll and physics so i dont think u will get ur answer netime soon.
  • TekoppenTekoppen Join Date: 2008-02-05 Member: 63584Members, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester
    edited August 2009
    <!--quoteo(post=1723212:date=Aug 17 2009, 03:44 AM:name=Sumo-Soldier)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sumo-Soldier @ Aug 17 2009, 03:44 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1723212"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->they probably haven't even started thinking about ragdoll and physics so i dont think u will get ur answer netime soon.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    They don't need to show me how it works in the game, but simply just answer my question about if there will be or not ragdoll and what kind.
  • TekoppenTekoppen Join Date: 2008-02-05 Member: 63584Members, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester
    The Gorge reveal showed that there won't be ragdoll. =/
  • TekoppenTekoppen Join Date: 2008-02-05 Member: 63584Members, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester
    I mean I would be fine just to have a ragdoll with no collition.

    But now since there will be animated death, I'm sad.
  • JAmazonJAmazon Join Date: 2009-02-21 Member: 66503Members
    woah woah woah dont get so dismal here :O

    L4D used death anims+ragodll to create arguably some of the best death anims Iv ever seen a in a VG. I cant say for sure, but that gorge death could be one of those melding anims with ragdoll.
  • valkiuzvalkiuz Join Date: 2009-07-07 Member: 68066Members
    edited August 2009
    i think it depends what kind of death r u in

    i mean if u type kill in console the gorge's animation death could be it

    with or without ragdoll is fine by me

    but would be cool to have a real ragdoll, nothing something like in tf2

    edit: oh i think i would love to see lerk's ragdoll

    died during soaring through the air hit a wall or a glass with a *thump sound and slid down the wall (like how the usual birds die when they didn't notice the window)
  • TekoppenTekoppen Join Date: 2008-02-05 Member: 63584Members, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester
    <!--quoteo(post=1724049:date=Aug 20 2009, 11:26 PM:name=JAmazon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAmazon @ Aug 20 2009, 11:26 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1724049"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->woah woah woah dont get so dismal here :O

    L4D used death anims+ragodll to create arguably some of the best death anims Iv ever seen a in a VG. I cant say for sure, but that gorge death could be one of those melding anims with ragdoll.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    True, I hope it is as you say.
  • TekoppenTekoppen Join Date: 2008-02-05 Member: 63584Members, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester
    Exelent! Cory confirmed that there will be ragdoll mixed with animations.
  • TekoppenTekoppen Join Date: 2008-02-05 Member: 63584Members, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester
    As marines, doesin't the game make a little sound and "+1 score" text once an Alien gets killed?

    So if Skulks would attack from a ceiling and marines would fire at them, I feel there isn't a need of some visual grapic effect to show that an Alien is dead.

    However, no one can know how it's going to be untill be get to try it.
  • locallyunscenelocallyunscene Feeder of Trolls Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11528Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1726814:date=Sep 10 2009, 12:28 PM:name=Tekoppen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tekoppen @ Sep 10 2009, 12:28 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1726814"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->As marines, doesin't the game make a little sound and "+1 score" text once an Alien gets killed?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    There is a sound, but it's hard to hear if you or someone near you is still firing. Also, it doesn't sound much different from the "hit registration" grunt the skulk sometimes makes. There is no '+1'(maybe draw_damage 1 ? I haven't seen it on for a while so I don't know) except on the scoreboard, but you're not going to have that up in the heat of battle. The best way, I know of, to tell is to look at the kill indicator in the top right. That can still be tricky because if someone happens to kill a skulk near the same time you expect to, it can fool you into stopping fire early(maybe that's just me). Hit and kill feedback are important, and I hope they are a little more visible and audible in NS2.[<a href="http://unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=106697&hl=feedback" target="_blank">Interesting Thread</a>]
    <!--quoteo(post=1726814:date=Sep 10 2009, 12:28 PM:name=Tekoppen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tekoppen @ Sep 10 2009, 12:28 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1726814"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So if Skulks would attack from a ceiling and marines would fire at them, I feel there isn't a need of some visual grapic effect to show that an Alien is dead.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I agree the death animation should still be pretty subtle. It was subtle in NS1 and matched most scenarios well.
  • Frogg2Frogg2 Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4867Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1726819:date=Sep 10 2009, 11:16 AM:name=locallyunscene)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (locallyunscene @ Sep 10 2009, 11:16 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1726819"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->There is no '+1'(maybe draw_damage 1 ? I haven't seen it on for a while so I don't know) except on the scoreboard, but you're not going to have that up in the heat of battle.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    +1-3 indicating rfk
  • steppin'razorsteppin'razor Join Date: 2008-09-18 Member: 65033Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1724260:date=Aug 21 2009, 07:11 PM:name=Tekoppen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tekoppen @ Aug 21 2009, 07:11 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1724260"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Exelent! Cory confirmed that there will be ragdoll mixed with animations.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Just interested, but where did he say that?
  • Raza.Raza. Join Date: 2004-01-24 Member: 25663Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1724136:date=Aug 21 2009, 03:51 AM:name=Squeal_Like_A_Pig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squeal_Like_A_Pig @ Aug 21 2009, 03:51 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1724136"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We do have ragdoll death. As someone pointed out, they can be pretty bland looking, so, in some cases we use an actual animation, such as for the gorge, then as soon as the animation ends (which is right where the video ends) the ragdoll will take over. Some of the aliens are going to use mostly ragdoll, some might be half and half, and some might be mostly animation with the ragdoll at the end. We are going to tweak it for what gives us the best look.

    --Cory<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  • steppin'razorsteppin'razor Join Date: 2008-09-18 Member: 65033Members, Constellation
    Cheers, completely missed that one
  • Tom HoenTom Hoen Join Date: 2009-07-02 Member: 68004Members
    Lerks falling from the sky as ragdols <3 This is one of the things I'm waiting for.
  • RobBRobB TUBES OF THE INTERWEB Join Date: 2003-08-11 Member: 19423Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1726923:date=Sep 11 2009, 04:04 PM:name=Frogg2)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frogg2 @ Sep 11 2009, 04:04 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1726923"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->+1-3 indicating rfk<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Holy ######, nooooo!

    RFK is besides combat the worst thing introduced to ns.
  • JAmazonJAmazon Join Date: 2009-02-21 Member: 66503Members
    what the smack is RFK?
  • CrispixCrispix Join Date: 2007-01-10 Member: 59543Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow
    I think it's res for kills. I could be wrong.
  • TekoppenTekoppen Join Date: 2008-02-05 Member: 63584Members, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester
    <!--quoteo(post=1726996:date=Sep 12 2009, 09:31 AM:name=Tom Hoen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom Hoen @ Sep 12 2009, 09:31 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1726996"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Lerks falling from the sky as ragdols <3 This is one of the things I'm waiting for.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    There's so much more then just the lerk :P

    I remember there is a map at NS1 where lava is falling from above and goes through the floor at a location very close to a hive.
    (Alright I know the map, but I just never remember the name... :P)

    However, imagine a fade incoming (never glorius) and you somehow kill the fade, then he's body turn's into ragdoll and bounce on the ground and finally dives into the lava.
    (Now that would be glorius :P)

    Imagine same location but now as a Skulk you leap and hit a marine launching him into the air and (same as the fade) finally drops down into the lava.
    (Poor marabo)

    Ragdoll can be fun, if you allow it to be. Some people get frustreted about such a things.
    The ragdoll will most likely not be as I imagine it to be, but for me it's fun to speculate.
  • homicidehomicide Join Date: 2003-11-10 Member: 22451Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1727825:date=Sep 17 2009, 11:09 PM:name=Tekoppen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tekoppen @ Sep 17 2009, 11:09 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1727825"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->There's so much more then just the lerk :P

    I remember there is a map at NS1 where lava is falling from above and goes through the floor at a location very close to a hive.
    (Alright I know the map, but I just never remember the name... :P)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    ns_origin

    now go kill yourself for not knowing the name of one of the most played maps in ns
  • TekoppenTekoppen Join Date: 2008-02-05 Member: 63584Members, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester
    <!--quoteo(post=1727837:date=Sep 18 2009, 10:05 AM:name=homicide)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (homicide @ Sep 18 2009, 10:05 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1727837"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->ns_origin

    now go kill yourself for not knowing the name of one of the most played maps in ns<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I'm sorry, I'm not paying so much attetions to the names of the maps.
    I haven't been playing so much that I've learn their names.
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