Natural Selection 2 News Update - Developer Resources Area

Max · December 2009

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TrC · December 2009

Kind of missed point here, how does this help NS2 should we decide to do something for it?

Termy58 · December 2009

Great to see NS2 supporting other indies out there! I looked around at the source and I'm impressed

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TrC @ Dec 25 2009, 11:24 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1744856"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>Kind of missed point here, how does this help NS2 should we decide to do something for it?</div>
This is a website where they can release libraries made by Unknown Worlds too other indie developers.

Renegade. · December 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TrC @ Dec 25 2009, 06:24 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1744856"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>Kind of missed point here, how does this help NS2 should we decide to do something for it?</div>
So you expect Lua developers to simply guess at NS2's API?
I'm sure many of those anticipating mods for Lua will welcome this necessary step (myself included)

cmc5788 · December 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TrC @ Dec 25 2009, 05:24 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1744856"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>Kind of missed point here, how does this help NS2 should we decide to do something for it?</div>

As far as I can tell it doesn't, they're just being nice, giving open-source developers on Christmas day. 'Tis the season and whatnot :P

Termy58 · December 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R_e_n_e_g_a_d_e @ Dec 26 2009, 12:09 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1744858"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>So you expect Lua developers to simply guess at NS2's API?
I'm sure many of those anticipating mods for Lua will welcome this necessary step (myself included)</div>

This has nothing to do with Lua, you guys are missing the point. This website is for indie developers not Lua developers of NS2

KungFuDiscoMonkey · December 2009

Nice to see the <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/developer/updater" target="_blank">updater</a> released. I know many OSX applications use <a href="http://sparkle.andymatuschak.org/" target="_blank">Sparkle</a> to update programs. It would be nice to see more Windows programs use a common updater framework.

James1cool · December 2009

nice , but again wer is the game already ???, i am all for the mapping tools but a game to play them would be nice. when can execpt a update on that ??

Haze · December 2009

Patience. The game will come. Give Charlie time to blow our socks off.

Draco_2k · December 2009

Swell.

So, I gather you guys liked the general idea behind Steamworks?

Dee · December 2009

I really like the idea of you guys giving components back to the community. Very nice to see, keep it up!

Alaska · December 2009

How could someone not simply love you, guys?

I hope your style of releasing and publishing your work will spread more in the world of videogames.
There should be way more developers publishing SDKs, code parts, libaries and tools. Everybody would benefit.

Pipi · December 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (James1cool @ Dec 25 2009, 08:32 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1744864"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>nice , but again wer is the game already ???, i am all for the mapping tools but a game to play them would be nice. when can execpt a update on that ??</div>

It's in their right not to release the game if it isn't fairly in a playable state enough to be so. It would sure be nice to move around with the marine in our levels but then what?

I'm sure there is far more work done than we might think of (including me) and I'd say that I like the surprise effect myself so just be patient on your side.

:D

w0dk4 · December 2009

Thank you, Max! Will totally use this in a mod for another game :)

Dalin Seivewright · December 2009

Hey, Thanks Guys!

I may incorporate the Updater into my own engine at some point.

Any chance you'll release your implementation of the Lua stack and how you tie Lua scripts into your actual engine? I've been working on that myself but eventually got tied up with the logical borders between the Lua-implemented scripts versus the Engine-implemented scripts and decided to post-pone implementation of Lua scripting until I figured out the implementation details. I think its awesome that you've started that site :)

Merry Christmas.

Edit: Icons added now. Neat!

Evil_bOb1 · December 2009

Nice of you to do this!

I noticed this in the updater library page:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The Updater Library is <span style="color:#FF0000">the the</span> library <span style="color:#FF0000">we for</span> to provide automatic updates to users of all of our applications.</div>

puzl · December 2009

Major kudos for the open source release of the updater.

I notice there isn't any type of cryptographic validation of the sources, is this something you plan on adding?

monopolowa · December 2009

Totally didn't notice the site update until I saw this forum thread...usually there's a twitter post to go along with it.

Very cool update, it's awesome that you guys are being so open with the community. Hope you all have a merry Christmas and a happy new year!

derWalter · December 2009

great, but under which license are they released?!

gpl pls!

Dalin Seivewright · December 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (derWalter @ Dec 26 2009, 02:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1744920"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>great, but under which license are they released?!

gpl pls!</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (From Developer Resources Website, Downloads tab)</div><div class='quotemain'>All of the downloads below are released under the <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/BSD/" target="_blank">BSD License</a>. You may use these downloads as part of your own commercial, non-commercial and personal projects.</div>

derWalter · December 2009

QUOTE (From Developer Resources Website, Downloads tab)

i dont see it o.O

Dalin Seivewright · December 2009

<a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/developer/download/" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/developer/download/</a>

It shows up on IE8 and Firefox at least.

Gutter · December 2009

I hope this isn't taking time away from the game. It seems as though it would be a better idea to release things like this after the game is released that way everything is in a more complete form. I can understand spending time on the editor, but not so much this. At least not in this stage.

Alaska · December 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gutter @ Dec 27 2009, 11:04 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1744959"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>I hope this isn't taking time away from the game. It seems as though it would be a better idea to release things like this after the game is released that way everything is in a more complete form. I can understand spending time on the editor, but not so much this. At least not in this stage.</div>
i love all those expert projectmanagers here on the forums... It's like germans watching soccer-matches: everybody sitting on their couch knowing everything better than the players, trainers, managers or referee.

Start your own project, do better, then start constructive criticism.

I love this style of working - not simply rushing forward to release something they could call a game - they work the style they want other developers to work. And it is good that way.

Crispy · December 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (James1cool @ Dec 26 2009, 01:32 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1744864"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>nice , but again wer is the game already ???, i am all for the mapping tools but a game to play them would be nice. when can execpt a update on that ?</div>Releasing these tools and files represents virtually no time taken away from developing the game. Remember, these are programs or elements of programs they've <i>already</i> made to help them create and maintain the game; all they're really doing is uploading these things to be shared globally via free download.

It's just a small yet goodwill gesture in time for the goodwill season. Updates on the game will come when they're ready. Overall, it actually harms PR to show off game elements before they are of a shippable quality, so just wait until they're ready to reveal the next asset/feature.

bassport · December 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Crispy @ Dec 27 2009, 06:16 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1744984"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>Releasing these tools and files represents virtually no time taken away from developing the game. Remember, these are programs or elements of programs they've <i>already</i> made to help them create and maintain the game; all they're really doing is uploading these things to be shared globally via free download.

It's just a small yet goodwill gesture in time for the goodwill season. Updates on the game will come when they're ready. Overall, it actually harms PR to show off game elements before they are of a shippable quality, so just wait until they're ready to reveal the next asset/feature.</div>

QFT!

PsympleJester · December 2009

Does this mean Spark will no longer Auto-Update?

Raza. · December 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PsympleJester @ Dec 30 2009, 11:25 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1745136"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'>Does this mean Spark will no longer Auto-Update?</div>

No, it doesn't.

Popenator · December 2009

<div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'>void SelfDestruct()</div>

Note: Do not hire for construction of death star.

Also: I find the use of void in this context amusing.

wacko · December 2009

for you windows 7 folks that run into compile issue you need to change the top of System.cpp to the following:

<div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'>#ifndef IID_PPV_ARGS
template<typename T> void** IID_PPV_ARGS_Helper(T** pp)
{
    // make sure everyone derives from IUnknown
    static_cast<IUnknown*>(*pp);
    return reinterpret_cast<void**>(pp);
}

#define IID_PPV_ARGS(ppType) __uuidof(**(ppType)), IID_PPV_ARGS_Helper(ppType)
#endif</div>

also in UpdaterImpl.cpp line: 606 need to be changed to

<div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'>#ifndef BCM_SETSHIELD
        const UINT BCM_SETSHIELD = 0x0000160C;
#endif</div>

BCM_SETSHIELD is defined in Windows 7

wacko · December 2009

Also is there a reason why in UpdateLibrary.rc we #undef _DEBUG? this makes building in debug kinda a pain in the ass :) since it will not find the release setup.exe which seems well wrong anyways.

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