matso42 is correct, I found after some more experimenting, health damage <b>is</b> rounded down, which tosses a lot of my initial calculations right out the nearest window. Thanks to matso for pointing it out to me, and thanks to the P2P crew for being my guinea pigs for all the extra shooting I made them do.
I'm working on revising the charts now. They aren't hugely altered; low-damage weapons like LMGs take an extra few shots to kill things, so the gist of the numbers is still accurate, and I'll be tweaking them to 100% accuracy as time permits. Unfortunately, there seem to be some bugs lurking in weapon damage that are making life difficult for me. The level 3 pistol should be doing 7/5.46 damage against a carapace 3 Kharaa, for example, but it only does six health damage. It also only does 25 damage to health rather than the 26 it should be doing, but even at 25 damage it should still be doing seven, not six, to health through armor. So I'm just confused now.
Only 5 shotgun blasts to kill an Onos? Only 2 to kill a Fade? Even though we are assuming a perfect hit these are still very incredible results. I read long ago that Shotguns were not worth there price with the HMG only a few RP's more but now when I am commanding I will be sure to hand out more Shotguns.
Okay, during the board's downtime, I've recalculated the damage and rewritten the statistic page. Basically, Kharaa are about 10% tougher than originally written, thanks to the weapon damage lost through being rounded down. Marines are mostly unaffected, though HAs can take a few more Lerk spikes than originally estimated. Also, I gave the shotgun a more accurate damage of half of the pellets hitting the target, since hitting the broad side of an Onos at point blank range only hits with eight. Tossed in a few more tidbits as well, so it should be more helpful a reference.
Hey, didn't mean to confound. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I'll post a new thread rather than doing that ever again. Sorry.
The calculator is not entirely accurate in the later 2.0x version. Quite frankly, it's impossible for it to be accurate in all 2.0x versions without a way of setting the version. Certain things have changed considerably.
It seems correct about most things in 2.0 tho. I'm not sure about a few of the numbers (can someone confirm turret damage and onos gore damage for me? The calc has weapon level determine turret damage, btw.).
Does this mean that D/M/S became vogue just before I started playing?
Does this mean that, even then, people recognized the limitations of hive based evolutions?
NS 1.0 had only been out a month then.. NS 2.0 has been out for more than a month. How fast time passes, how long ago that was. And yet when I first started NS was younger than 2.0 is now.
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<!--QuoteBegin--taboofires+Sep 17 2003, 11:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (taboofires @ Sep 17 2003, 11:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It seems correct about most things in 2.0 tho.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Not the spore cloud though; it does 7 damage per half-second, not 6.
<!--QuoteBegin--taboofires+Sep 17 2003, 11:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (taboofires @ Sep 17 2003, 11:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->can someone confirm turret damage and onos gore damage for me?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I can confirm that the Onos gore does 90 damage.
I hate it when someone brings up an old thread like that. it always throws me way off when I read it and am like 1.3?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
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The fairness or usefulness of his results are a topic for another post
and listen to discobird... the man took all that time to type his post, and edit it. Sound judgement there.
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I'm working on revising the charts now. They aren't hugely altered; low-damage weapons like LMGs take an extra few shots to kill things, so the gist of the numbers is still accurate, and I'll be tweaking them to 100% accuracy as time permits. Unfortunately, there seem to be some bugs lurking in weapon damage that are making life difficult for me. The level 3 pistol should be doing 7/5.46 damage against a carapace 3 Kharaa, for example, but it only does six health damage. It also only does 25 damage to health rather than the 26 it should be doing, but even at 25 damage it should still be doing seven, not six, to health through armor. So I'm just confused now.
Excellent work!
gg threadcromancy.
On a side note, certain people made themselves look rather silly in this thread, how entertaining.
*blows dust off this ancient piece of forum archaeology*
I'll post a new thread rather than doing that ever again. Sorry.
<a href='http://www.nonoobs.com/damage.php' target='_blank'>http://www.nonoobs.com/damage.php</a>
It seems correct about most things in 2.0 tho. I'm not sure about a few of the numbers (can someone confirm turret damage and onos gore damage for me? The calc has weapon level determine turret damage, btw.).
Does this mean that D/M/S became vogue just before I started playing?
Does this mean that, even then, people recognized the limitations of hive based evolutions?
NS 1.0 had only been out a month then.. NS 2.0 has been out for more than a month. How fast time passes, how long ago that was. And yet when I first started NS was younger than 2.0 is now.
Not the spore cloud though; it does 7 damage per half-second, not 6.
<!--QuoteBegin--taboofires+Sep 17 2003, 11:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (taboofires @ Sep 17 2003, 11:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->can someone confirm turret damage and onos gore damage for me?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I can confirm that the Onos gore does 90 damage.
it always throws me way off when I read it and am like 1.3?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->