Dump Alien Individual Scoring

MMZ_Torak · December 2002

<div class="IPBDescription">Chase away the CS'ers and NS will Own</div> Why even give the aliens Individual scores, it only makes all the lame ex CS'ers want to play alien so they can Take screenshots and plaster them on the wall and revel in their self gratifying, self absorbed "Leetness".

MMZ_Torak · December 2002

Yes I often have low kill counts simply because unlike the other sheep, I enjoy playing the support role (gorge/lerk). As lerk I use umbra mopre than anything, thus keeping the fades alive easily 3 times as long as they would without umbra. You don't get kills for that, but it is invaluable to the fades. I never said that killing alot of marines was uneccessary as skulk. What I <i>DID</i> say was that keep a record of how many each person killed is pointless and detrimental to teamwork. "Why should I play Lerk and Umbra for the fades, I get no kills so its meaningless." This is why kills mean nothing. On one occasion, I played Gorge and didnt get a single kill, but built 2 hives and every upgrade chamber. Was I helpful? Not according to the score.

MMZ_Torak · December 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>but torak is a leet ns player, alien or marine</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

/me blushes

tleng · December 2002

Actually I have a funny story. In one game I was a gorge, and our team was so bad that I was the highest scorer on the team! I killed 2 marines with my towers and two more by jumping around and spitting at them.

I even mentioned to the marines that the gorge was at the top of the score list and they laughed their **obscenity** off.

BTW have u noticed that the gorge is not the weak creeature everyone thinks he is? If you run into a marine, DON'T run away. You're very slow, and he'll simply chase you down, and maybe even knife your **obscenity**. Strafe-Jump around like the cute bunny you are and spit at him, doing 22 damage every hit.

Madjai · December 2002

i dont have a problem with people taking "screenshots and plaster them on the wall and revel in their self gratifying, self absorbed "Leetness". your only argument is that it makes people want to play aliens more, which i think is total crap.

MMZStickman · December 2002

So agreed. although, i did hear a point about personal development once... people like to see how wellt hey do. well most server run STAT pages now so go there to see how well youre doing. as far as the in-game is concerned who cares about score?

-Stick

Tazol · December 2002

Actually, I wish they'd add it to marines for commanders. Why? I'd trust someone asking for HMG/HA or whatever if they had a decent score so I knew they wouldn't just waste my resources. :/

MMZ_Torak · December 2002

Madjai, got lots of screen shots on your wall? Personal scores mean NOTHING! If you go 1000/0 as alien but your team losses, guess what. You lost too. Chances are that you were off doing your own thing to rack up kills while the marines were taking your hives.

qweazdak · December 2002

Wondering the same thing. Why do aliens get scores and marines don't? Is it saying that aliens don't need teamwork at all to win? (which is wrong of course <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'>)

Teufel_Eldritch · December 2002

I too dislike the scores for the Khaara. Server ops can get rid of them if they wish. Just contact voogru and ask him if you can get a hold of his NS Admin no scores plug-in.

I dont really like his other plug-ins, but I like the no-score plug-in so much that I play on his server much more than I used to. In fact because of the no-score plug-in I prefer to play on his server. It gets rid of all that leet "I got a better score than you" bs.

MMZFatass_Cartman · December 2002

I am a CS'er!
cs is very much a team game when played properly your score in CS (more so the kill/death ratio) shows how effective you are for your team, if you de more then you kill you are really not helping anyone. I think that can be said about NS to. if you venture out with a bunch of skulks and your k/d ratio is pathetic you really souldnt be a skulk n that position, you might be better served as a gorge for example.
i think scores can be taken out of context and make ppl play for themselves you will, however, get that in any game you play.

i really think marines should have k/d for that reason, sometimes i wonder if i am more effective in heavy or light or with what gun etc, i can take a look at my score at a certain part of my game see that i am really not being a good pretection to my team so then i can make the choice to be the builder for example as opposed to thwe guy protecting the builder.. you follow? for some people scores can be a reference point as to how they are doing in their particular role and which role is better suited to them.

thats my rant for today.. fingers are tired! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'>

MMZ>FAC

MMZ_Torak · December 2002

I think the "official" reason is aliens are meant to play basically in small numbers or even alone, while marines are meant to be played in groups [for the CS players that means staying with your teammates and not running off alone, I know it's hard but try it]. Personally, I think the scores are nothing but a distraction, do not focus on them.

Madjai · December 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MMZ>Torak @ Dec 12 2002, 07:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Madjai, got lots of screen shots on your wall? Personal scores mean NOTHING! If you go 1000/0 as alien but your team losses, guess what. You lost too. Chances are that you were off doing your own thing to rack up kills while the marines were taking your hives.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
no, im saying i dont have a problem with people who like to keep records of their best games. and i seriously doubt your team will lose when you have an amazing score like 1000/0. and aliens dont go off and do their own thing to rack up kills because thats impossible, marines are always either at their main base or at a hive, and either way you are doing what every other alien should be doing, harassing their main base or getting back a hive.

MMZ_Torak · December 2002

Ah but FAC, look at this scenario. Early game Skulk rush. Nine time out of ten times the first skulk in the door dies quickly, and most times the second. This allows the rest to get close enough to the marines to kill them. Do they suck? Have they not helped the team?. If you just looked at the scores the answer to these questions is: Yes they suck and No they didn't help. Which are both completely wrong.

MMZFatass_Cartman · December 2002

now you are assuming that first skulk is stupid, to my theory there is also common sense, if you are 0-4 after the base rushes you can say "well, i was first through the door more of a decoy then anything" you are playing within that role so you dont say "I SUCK OMG" even though I SUCK OMG its like in CS, when our cs team started doing realy well, i would sometimes go out and make a lot of noise in a different direction and take the death but inturn helping the rest of my team sneak through. so i do see what you are saying but like i said that may be a role you are good at and dont mind dying constantly <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'>

MMZ>FAC

MMZ_Torak · December 2002

I do have a problem with people that are concerned with their kill/death ratio. The only concern anyone should have in NS is Territory control. If my ratio is 4/20 but I never lose the room/hive I am holding it does not matter one bit how many times I died. People that want to save their best games really miss the point. Team Mod, Team work, Team wins everytime. If you want screen shots of your massive scores go play DM, where it does matter.

Just_Ayane · December 2002

Sounds like this thread is made by someone who always has low scores ;-p

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Wondering the same thing. Why do aliens get scores and marines don't? Is it saying that aliens don't need teamwork at all to win? (which is wrong of course ) </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

I think this is because when u give marine players a killcount u will most likely have more individuel marines running around trying 2 get kills instead of following orders, for aliens at the other hand they are hunters, giving them a killcount encourages them 2 hunt more and the death ratio tells you how good u r hunting and killing.

The fact that u have ppl saying that killcount for aliens dont count is kinda weird. Offcourse it counts especially in the first 10 mins of the game. Killing as much marines as possible in the first 10 mins of the game with a good gorg backing you up will most likely win you the round.

Skulks are made 2 be offensive and sneaky not to hold back and camp at the hive. Peace

MMZFatass_Cartman · December 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Just Ayane @ Dec 12 2002, 02:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Sounds like this thread is made by someone who always has low scores ;-p</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
umm, actually funny enough torak gets a very good scoe every round, hes a deadly skulk but i do understand what he is saying to an extent, however i disagree with no scores at all being shown (reasons stated above)

but torak is a leet ns player, alien or marine.

that is all.

MMZ>FAC

Dump Alien Individual Scoring

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