[Editor bug] Black background

VaratharVarathar Join Date: 2004-03-17 Member: 27382Members
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<div class="IPBDescription">After patch 164</div>After Patching my NS2, I noticed that my editor background color has changed to black and it can't be changed.(?)
Because edges are also black and background in editor is black, this is likely a bug.

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  • duxdux Tea Lady Join Date: 2003-12-14 Member: 24371Members, NS2 Developer
    You can change the line colour in editor options. We all have this at the moment after the editor got fixed from a different bug Max hasnt had time to fix this yet.
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  • SN.WolfSN.Wolf Join Date: 2010-03-29 Member: 71115Members
    I posted on get satisfaction about this as well as a few other issues. Feel free to add to it here---> <a href="http://getsatisfaction.com/unknownworlds/topics/editor_prop_entity_bugs_a_few_things_that_need_attention" target="_blank">http://getsatisfaction.com/unknownworlds/t..._need_attention</a>
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  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    It's not really that big a deal. As Dux said you can change your line colours. Most editors have a black background so it's really not a problem.

    Tools > Settings > Interface
    Major Grid Lines - Dark Grey
    Minor Grid Lines - Light Grey

    Just do it.
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  • pSyk0mAnpSyk0mAn Nerdish by Nature Germany Join Date: 2003-08-07 Member: 19166Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Community Developer
    Black is the new grey. I like it.
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  • persoperso Join Date: 2003-02-19 Member: 13740Members, WC 2013 - Supporter
    edited February 2011
    <!--quoteo(post=1833716:date=Feb 19 2011, 03:42 PM:name=Thaldarin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thaldarin @ Feb 19 2011, 03:42 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1833716"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It's not really that big a deal. As Dux said you can change your line colours. Most editors have a black background so it's really not a problem.

    Tools > Settings > Interface
    Major Grid Lines - Dark Grey
    Minor Grid Lines - Light Grey

    Just do it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Agreed. It's definately not a show stopper, but it would be nice if background colour could be changed in editor settings.
    However, I don't know what [3D modeling] editors you have used, but most of the ones I have used, have a grey background by default. :)
    (edit: build actually had a black background!)

    <!--quoteo(post=1833721:date=Feb 19 2011, 04:01 PM:name=pSyk0mAn)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pSyk0mAn @ Feb 19 2011, 04:01 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1833721"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Black is the new grey. I like it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    edit2: my vote goes for grey!

    edit3: guess I was wrong, hammer 3.5 also has black background. >.<
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    @edit3:

    Hammer has a customizable background, mine was always magenta to make it easier to spot leaks as well :)
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  • UKchaosUKchaos Join Date: 2002-08-10 Member: 1132Members
    The problem is that prop meshes are still black so you need to zoom out with a high grid density setting to see them in the 2d views.
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  • VaratharVarathar Join Date: 2004-03-17 Member: 27382Members
    edited February 2011
    <!--quoteo(post=1834918:date=Feb 25 2011, 10:27 AM:name=UKchaos)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (UKchaos @ Feb 25 2011, 10:27 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1834918"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The problem is that prop meshes are still black so you need to zoom out with a high grid density setting to see them in the 2d views.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yes, its annoying. Especially because I mostly use 2d views to get things done.

    By the way.. which colours do you use in editor due to this black background? I only changed my edges to Olive. :P
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  • JanosJanos Join Date: 2002-08-02 Member: 1050Members, Constellation, NS2 Playtester
    Not only are the model thumbnails exceptionally hard to view the texture thumbnails now are entirely blacked out.

    There any way to solve this or shall i wait for the fix?
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  • SoulztormSoulztorm Join Date: 2011-02-24 Member: 83305Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1834950:date=Feb 25 2011, 04:48 PM:name=Janos)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Janos @ Feb 25 2011, 04:48 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1834950"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Not only are the model thumbnails exceptionally hard to view the texture thumbnails now are entirely blacked out.

    There any way to solve this or shall i wait for the fix?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Same problem with the black thumbnails here too.
    I tried reinstalling and everything, nothing helped.
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  • TigTig Join Date: 2010-05-08 Member: 71674Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver
    that's really weird guys, i saw this on getsatisfaction and i'm not having those texture problems.

    however, my working custom skybox materials (as of 163) are now completely black in 165, QQ.

    <!--quoteo(post=1834922:date=Feb 25 2011, 05:10 AM:name=Varathar)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Varathar @ Feb 25 2011, 05:10 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1834922"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yes, its annoying. Especially because I mostly use 2d views to get things done.

    By the way.. which colours do you use in editor due to this black background? I only changed my edges to Olive. :P<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    i rarely use 2d views anymore, all perspective with snapping, 2d top and side only when i need to make sure things are the same height.

    i've been keeping the black background and all settings standard. all of my geometry is already in place before 165 hit so i don't really mind the black on black. it actually makes selecting edges a little more vibrant.
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  • LazerLazer Join Date: 2003-03-11 Member: 14406Members, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester
    Setting a different background in the editor is about as simple as calling device.clear(USER_SET_COLOR) or however the syntax is for them at the start of the rendering pass but 1 line regardless. I'm sure they just haven't gotten around to making it an option yet and preferred black for now.
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  • InsaneInsane Anomaly Join Date: 2002-05-13 Member: 605Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts, Future Perfect Developer
    The editor currently has a bug where it builds new texture thumbnails as black (if you've had NS2 for a while you likely won't see this so much). I'm not sure when it'll be fixed.

    In the meantime someone with full set could upload their thumbnail cache for those that don't? It can be found in %appdata%/Roaming/Natural Selection 2/Editor/cache. I'd do it myself but I don't want to inadvertently send out non-public art assets.
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  • pSyk0mAnpSyk0mAn Nerdish by Nature Germany Join Date: 2003-08-07 Member: 19166Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Community Developer
    edited February 2011
    I like how UWE goes with the trend and uses a black in-game sky aswell now :D
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  • persoperso Join Date: 2003-02-19 Member: 13740Members, WC 2013 - Supporter
    edited February 2011
    <!--quoteo(post=1835002:date=Feb 25 2011, 06:51 PM:name=Insane)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Insane @ Feb 25 2011, 06:51 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1835002"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The editor currently has a bug where it builds new texture thumbnails as black (if you've had NS2 for a while you likely won't see this so much). I'm not sure when it'll be fixed.

    In the meantime someone with full set could upload their thumbnail cache for those that don't? It can be found in %appdata%/Roaming/Natural Selection 2/Editor/cache. I'd do it myself but I don't want to inadvertently send out non-public art assets.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    As a temporary fix here's the cache directory as of ns2 build 165: <a href="http://koti.mbnet.fi/~tazu/pub/ns2/cache.zip" target="_blank">cache.zip</a>

    As Insane pointed out contents of cache-directory should be copied to <i>%appdata%\Natural Selection 2\Editor\cache</i> directory (edit: fixed to correct location of cache dir). Some of the newest thumbnails don't work but no can do about that.

    Hope this helps.
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  • MendaspMendasp I touch maps in inappropriate places Valencia, Spain Join Date: 2002-07-05 Member: 884Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Retired Community Developer
    %appdata% already gets you to "Roaming", so it's %appdata\Natural Selection 2\Editor\cache
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  • InsaneInsane Anomaly Join Date: 2002-05-13 Member: 605Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts, Future Perfect Developer
    What Mendasp said.

    Thanks for uploading that, perso.
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  • UKchaosUKchaos Join Date: 2002-08-10 Member: 1132Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1834977:date=Feb 25 2011, 07:19 PM:name=Lazer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lazer @ Feb 25 2011, 07:19 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1834977"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Setting a different background in the editor is about as simple as calling device.clear(USER_SET_COLOR) or however the syntax is for them at the start of the rendering pass but 1 line regardless. I'm sure they just haven't gotten around to making it an option yet and preferred black for now.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Im not used to editing the config files. Which one do i need to look at? I really want to get the background back to what it was before.
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  • Dalin SeivewrightDalin Seivewright 0x0000221E Join Date: 2007-10-20 Member: 62685Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1835584:date=Mar 2 2011, 02:20 AM:name=UKchaos)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (UKchaos @ Mar 2 2011, 02:20 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1835584"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Im not used to editing the config files. Which one do i need to look at? I really want to get the background back to what it was before.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    It isn't an option yet. He was referring to the actual engine code that is compiled into DLLs. Setting the background color of the renderer is usually a one liner, so making it a customizable thing in the future won't be very much trouble. Or at least, it shouldn't be.
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  • MasterGMasterG gmfbst Join Date: 2003-08-24 Member: 20169Members, Squad Five Blue
    edited March 2011
    I can't find my appdata folder on win7 ultimate 64-bit. I tried typing it in the search on the start menu(which worked perfectly well on vista) but nothing. Help? Thanks!

    EDIT: Nevermind I figured it out. Thanks google. I should learn how to search before asking :P
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