where is the Area Controll ?
Jason Whore
Join Date: 2011-04-11 Member: 92514Members
Join Date: 2011-04-11 Member: 92514Members
<div class="IPBDescription">marines should be rewardet for expanding</div>i thought the game is about theretory controll...
so why is it going the direction that marines turtle in one base and maybe defend some res nodes (with camper sentries) and aliens have to expand across the map to get their good lifeforms...
and what are tech nodes good for then ? they would just be hive locations? gimme a break..
i think marines should have benefits from securing and holding tech points.
and its stupid to put multiple comm chairs over the map...
maybe something REAAALLY radical like making armories only placeble on tech nodes
>:3 this would mean marines had to defend start AND marine expantion if they want some good weaponary.
yeah and robot factory / prototype lab on another techpoint.. strange, this sounds familiar.. did sum1 already
came up with that idea?
so why is it going the direction that marines turtle in one base and maybe defend some res nodes (with camper sentries) and aliens have to expand across the map to get their good lifeforms...
and what are tech nodes good for then ? they would just be hive locations? gimme a break..
i think marines should have benefits from securing and holding tech points.
and its stupid to put multiple comm chairs over the map...
maybe something REAAALLY radical like making armories only placeble on tech nodes
>:3 this would mean marines had to defend start AND marine expantion if they want some good weaponary.
yeah and robot factory / prototype lab on another techpoint.. strange, this sounds familiar.. did sum1 already
came up with that idea?
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If a power node is active in a room,
1. DI does not expand into that room
2. Existing DI starts to recede in that room
3. Existing alien structures start to lose health
To balance it you would need most powernodes to start off unbuilt.
2. Existing DI starts to recede in that room
3. Existing alien structures start to lose health<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
1. Yes please!
2. NO! Then marines could have macs sneaky repair nodes all over the map and have all the alien structures killed!
3. ^ Above
Instead of "2." - First have the marines clear the power node itself from infesation (flamethrower?) and then repair it and let the DI recede from the room.
Yes, my vote is on -> powernodes should be off in the beginning of a match!
But my theory is marine expansions will prolly play a factor when heavy armor and jetpacks / hmg's come into play. i hope
Now the only real incentive for marines to expand is to control resource nodes, and deny the aliens a hive location. While that may seem insignificant, if a marine team truly allowed the aliens to claim every node and every tech point, thats lost potential recourses and more recourses going to the enemy team since almost every tech point also has a recourse node associated with it, which does have an important impact on the game. The aliens have much more infestation on the map, denying marines from buildings outside their base, have much more healing in combat, and allow much more infestation to be laid since each individual hive contains its own pool of energy that can be poured into mass infestation all over the entire map.
Also the aliens don't need to expand across the map to get their life forms, they don't even need additional hives, they just need to research the next tech level to get fades, and build a crag/whip to get gorges/lerks. The reason you see marines camping though is because the path to get their advanced technology is a much more tedious and risky endeavor than it is for the aliens, who simply have to have in their possession a hive mass/crag/whip in order to unlock all the more powerful life forms. Its also in the nature of the alien mechanics that they expand more rapidly, since they just need to lay a hive down and they have instant healing, infestation, and denial of a tech point + recourse node that is associated with that tech point to the marine team.
Honestly i don't think having all these radical and complex mechanics to make expanding absolutely VITAL is necessary, most maps only have 5 tech points, which means forcing things like recourse multipliers, building structures such as armories/prototype labs/ arms labs on tech points are are over the top and personally i think are just adding unnecessary complexity to an already elaborate enough game.
I have feeling this will change in the future like other ideas they had. They will slowly go back to what NS1 had, or something much more similar teching.
though I do like to stress this, killing key buildings should remove upgrades, and force research to be done again - tied upgrades to building is a must. I've enjoyed those moments in ns1 rushing marines AA or even the arms lab, in many serious games it defined good strong come back.
but as it is planned the marines fight for res nodes and aliens for res nodes AND tech points ...
this is right away stupid....
Aliens need Tech points => gain tech, forward bases, 3-8 free spawning eggs and DI (scent of fear, block marine building, slow health regeneration)
Marines need to fight Tech points(best deny aliens to get one) DI, powernodes. (if they want to make a forward base)
I dont think its that stupid.
Well see if it wil be ns1 all over again, or play out better.
Couldnt that easily be fixed by making the marines lose the ability to create the higher tech the moment the addtional command centre was destroyed?
I mean in NS1, marines would generally build one main base, and then build satellite bases at important locations, such as double res rooms, alien hives, or siege locations.
They can still do that, the difference is that you can't build your entire base in double res because of no tech point (although maps which have tech points in double res rooms would be interesting) and also you can't lock down all the hives. It it still just as advantageous as ever to control double res with an armory and turrets and suchlike, and it is still just as advantageous to lock down good hive locations. While aliens can probably find others, it will be one less place to clear and one more place to attack from.
For aliens, hives are simply good structures, they heal, spread DI, and spawn more aliens, why wouldn't you build more than one?
Honestly you don't need to force people to build bases, bases are useful, and it isn't like you can spend team money on anything else, if you've built up your starting base you should probably be spending money on an expansion because otherwise you're not going to get any stronger. A team with two bases is better off than a team with one.
If NS1 had one problem with its base mechanic it was that there were only three hive locations, and therefore only three base sites for aliens, as well as only three objectives for marines. The addtion of tech points fixes that, there are many possible permutations a game could have based on which tech points are taken.
Other than that it works fine, I really don't get what people are worried about.
Well the problem is that maps have been designed under the assumption that the races have symetrical goals. It seems like the focus of the game is wavering a bit and thats always cause for concern at this late stage.
What late stage?
Heck, a good chunk of the game isn't even in: parts of T2 and all of T3.
Heck, a good chunk of the game isn't even in: parts of T2 and all of T3.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I doubt that will take them long.
I feel most of the hard work is already done. I mean its only missing a few alien upgrades? 1 weapon each, onos. Marine- hmg's, jetpack's, heavy armor. What else? phase gates
Then its just fine tuning thats left
Its like most of the mechanics are in place and ready, they just havent activated them yet
+ all the b*tching about sh*t and balance only slows crap down imo :/
Anyways, area control. I'm seeing marines actually take points to block hive creation in the late game more often so there's that.
I still do miss when you could pop a com chair wherever you liked though, still feels odd seeing them basically hive location locked I must admit.