Hawken
<div class="IPBDescription">Indie mech FPS</div>I think we talked about this one a lot in the youtube thread but never actually made one for the game alone?
Anyway, it was <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=114483&view=findpost&p=1866087" target="_blank">linked in Gen Disc</a>, and I believe the video in the youtube thread is kinda old. So have a new one!
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I never liked the look of the mech sim games, but this looks awesome.
Anyway, it was <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=114483&view=findpost&p=1866087" target="_blank">linked in Gen Disc</a>, and I believe the video in the youtube thread is kinda old. So have a new one!
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I never liked the look of the mech sim games, but this looks awesome.
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Any hint on which platform it will spawn first?
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Hawken has been developed using the Unreal Engine from Epic Games.
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It's a udk game. A sane mind would suggest the PC as the first and prioritized platform but one can't really be sure these days.
There are a couple of text and audio interviews up as well where they discuss the origins of the team, making a game with a small team (currently 6 + a few interns), their technology decisions, planned game modes and other design plans. For instance the way they're achieving so many objects on-screen is because parts of both the players and environments are made up from the same objects, cloned at different scales.
<b>Gameplay demo E3 with live interview</b> June 2011
<a href="http://www.g4tv.com/videos/53603/hawken-e3-gameplay-demo/?quality=hd" target="_blank">http://www.g4tv.com/videos/53603/hawken-e3...emo/?quality=hd</a>
<b>Interview 1</b> May 2011
<a href="http://www.gametrailers.com/video/design-goals-hawken/714432" target="_blank">http://www.gametrailers.com/video/design-goals-hawken/714432</a>
<b>Interview 2</b> May 2011
<a href="http://www.gametrailers.com/video/design-goals-hawken/714430" target="_blank">http://www.gametrailers.com/video/design-goals-hawken/714430</a>
Uh, it's hardly a "mech sim"... Remove the graphics and it resembles Tribes more than anything.
That isn't to say it'll be a bad game, but I'm really tired of games passing themselves off ingenuously as something else with gimmicks, pursuant to the whole 'making games to appeal to an audience' rather than making games for the sake of making a game.
When I first saw Hawken months ago I was hoping for complicated mech-style action where you have to manage your systems ala Mechwarrior, but if you watch, once you remove the graphics and reskin everything, you have *extremely* standard FPS with some turrets and jetpacks. I don't really see how the robots matter at all in this except as a vehicle to push interest.
By the way, hate to burst your bubble, but it looks a lot like they're using a controller to aim in that video - jerky, random movements that stop and start unexpectedly. Certainly not a mouse at any rate.
This game has as much in common with Mechwarrior as the Shadowrun FPS had in common with the P&P version.
It's just standard FPS gameplay with mech graphics on everything - that doesn't make it a mech game any more than having a vehicle section in Crysis made it a racing game. Mechwarrior you actually felt like you were in a machine - every battle was asymmetrical since every single mech was shaped differently, armed differently, and handled differently, meaning you had to maintain a unique sense of situational awareness, keep track of using four or five different weapons at once, manage your heat, coolant, sensor systems...
In Hawken you just jet around and shoot the bad guy until he blows up. A unique aspect of Mechwarrior was the multiple damage zones, so you could use to soak damage from more vulnerable components. In Hawken you have one health bar and it goes away and you explode... see what I mean by it lacking any real sense of being a mech game?
It's just standard FPS gameplay with mech graphics on everything - that doesn't make it a mech game any more than having a vehicle section in Crysis made it a racing game. Mechwarrior you actually felt like you were in a machine - every battle was asymmetrical since every single mech was shaped differently, armed differently, and handled differently, meaning you had to maintain a unique sense of situational awareness, keep track of using four or five different weapons at once, manage your heat, coolant, sensor systems...
In Hawken you just jet around and shoot the bad guy until he blows up. A unique aspect of Mechwarrior was the multiple damage zones, so you could use parts of your body to shield damaged components from damage. In Hawken you have one health bar and it goes away and you explode.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
hm thats true, I wish I could of been gaming back in the days of mech warrior never had a pc that could handle it :P
Not that it helps with the whole '###### PC' thing, but it's still around.
By the way, found an interview where the project lead of Hawken says outright isn't not a mech game, it's more a Halo game than anything...
... oh boy :rolleyes:
EDIT: Do we seriously not have an eye-rolling smiley?
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###### yeah, take that you ###### forums.
Not that it helps with the whole '###### PC' thing, but it's still around.
By the way, found an interview where the project lead of Hawken says outright isn't not a mech game, it's more a Halo game than anything...
... oh boy ::)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh wow, is that a user remake of MW? :O
Essentially yes. I'm not happy with some of their direction, in particular the aircraft remind me of Battlefield 2 in the sense that they're useless to the actual objective of the game and only really serve to allow pilots to ###### around and piss off everyone on the ground trying to play for real, but the core gameplay is extremely solid and can be really quite good.
The learning curve is astronomically steep though and the community is relatively small which means there's going to be a lot of vets playing on pubs who will smear the ###### out of you if you don't know what you're doing.
The learning curve is astronomically steep though and the community is relatively small which means there's going to be a lot of vets playing on pubs who will smear the ###### out of you if you don't know what you're doing.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sweet, learning curve games are great, i'll be downloading this right now :) you play often?
ack is this a mod?
is 12 gigs of ram enough? :3 I realised that and rushed to my steam list to see if I had it, and I do! downloading cw right now e.e
This is getting wildly off-topic but... yeah it's pretty effing cool. I haven't played in a while though I still have it installed. Mostly what's stopping me is that I'd have to set up my joystick again and I'm too damn lazy to do that.
Since you'll probably ask - no, you don't need a joystick - since the point of the game is to shoot evil digital mans, use the mouse for aiming. The keyboard is more than fine for moving. Because I'm ####ing pr0 though, my setup is a joystick in my *left* hand with my mouse on the right. It's a pain in the ass to set up and even harder to learn but it pays HUGE dividends, mostly in the sense that I can use the joystick as an analog steering device, letting me tilt the stick to control my speed (the farther I tip, the faster I go!) and steer left and right more finely, whereas with the keyboard, naturally you push left, and you turn left at full speed.
The learning curve is greatly reduced if you have prior knowledge of Mechwarrior though - if you know what weapons behave like what, as well as most of the differences between mechs, you'll be alright, though you sound like you're new. There's <i>technically </i>like a hundred different weapons in the game, but that's getting nitpicky if you count Clan weapons different from Inner Sphere (generally Clan weapons weigh less, do more damage, or have better range, but generate phenomenally more heat)... in which case there's *21* different laser weapons you could put on a mech. With laser weapons all you really need to know is the difference between Pulse, Beam, Heavy, X-Pulse, and the relationship between the three sizes (small/med/large).
Check this out for more info: <a href="http://wiki.mechlivinglegends.net/index.php?title=Main_Page" target="_blank">http://wiki.mechlivinglegends.net/index.php?title=Main_Page</a>
Finally: When you start playing, make sure you log into Crysis Wars *first* and set up a Gamespy ID, otherwise you'll have problems authenticating. I'd join a CD-key protected server to make sure it's all working right before you boot up the mod. It won't hurt to play around in your own server for a bit first, but make sure you tell people you're new and if you see any ~SJ~ or (TLL) guys, they'll get you started.
This is getting wildly off-topic but... yeah it's pretty effing cool. I haven't played in a while though I still have it installed. Mostly what's stopping me is that I'd have to set up my joystick again and I'm too damn lazy to do that.
Since you'll probably ask - no, you don't need a joystick - since the point of the game is to shoot evil digital mans, use the mouse for aiming. The keyboard is more than fine for moving. Because I'm ####ing pr0 though, my setup is a joystick in my *left* hand with my mouse on the right. It's a pain in the ass to set up and even harder to learn but it pays HUGE dividends, mostly in the sense that I can use the joystick as an analog steering device, letting me tilt the stick to control my speed (the farther I tip, the faster I go!) and steer left and right more finely, whereas with the keyboard, naturally you push left, and you turn left at full speed.
The learning curve is greatly reduced if you have prior knowledge of Mechwarrior though - if you know what weapons behave like what, as well as most of the differences between mechs, you'll be alright, though you sound like you're new. There's <i>technically </i>like a hundred different weapons in the game, but that's getting nitpicky if you count Clan weapons different from Inner Sphere (generally Clan weapons weigh less, do more damage, or have better range, but generate phenomenally more heat)... in which case there's *21* different laser weapons you could put on a mech. With laser weapons all you really need to know is the difference between Pulse, Beam, Heavy, X-Pulse, and the relationship between the three sizes (small/med/large).
Check this out for more info: <a href="http://wiki.mechlivinglegends.net/index.php?title=Main_Page" target="_blank">http://wiki.mechlivinglegends.net/index.php?title=Main_Page</a>
Finally: When you start playing, make sure you log into Crysis Wars *first* and set up a Gamespy ID, otherwise you'll have problems authenticating. I'd join a CD-key protected server to make sure it's all working right before you boot up the mod. It won't hurt to play around in your own server for a bit first, but make sure you tell people you're new and if you see any ~SJ~ or (TLL) guys, they'll get you started.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
thanks for the tips :D
I play MWLL semi-regularly. It is a truly incredible game. Very faithful to the idea of Mechwarrior. Unfortunately the aussie servers are rarely populated, so I have to play on US servers. Fortunately the combat isn't as fast-paced as most games so a 300ms ping doesn't matter as much as you'd think.
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I didn't mean to imply that it was. It's just when you think "mech game" you think "mech sim game", because there haven't been any that aren't (afaik).
Since I don't like sim games, this fact pleases me.
Since I don't like sim games, this fact pleases me.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well what's the freakin' point of it being a 'mech game' then? This is like MechAssault all over again.
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck, unless it's a team of idiots trying to dilute the idea of how certain genres of games should play by marginalizing the experience to straightforward, cliche shooter concepts.
MechAssault made you think it was going to be a mech game in the same vein of Mechwarrior, instead you got third-person item-pickup action spam retardation. The result is when the "new" Mechwarrior game was announced by Piranah Games, a ton of idiots tried to compare it to MechAssault and were annoyed by it. MechAssault only serve to dilute the concept of a mech game.
Enter Hawken: putting standard-fare shooter into a graphically mech-centric game that shoves the whole 'mech' concept in your face over and over is extremely disingenuous because I guarantee you most people actually are expecting the whole mech aspect to have some sort of impact in-game when by the developer's own admission the game is little more than a Halo-esque shooter and the mech concept was only really done as an excuse to limit you to two weapons.
I think saying Mechwarrior was a 'sim' game is a little absurd because it doesn't approach anywhere near the complexity of a simulation. At best it got complicated managing weapons and custom loadouts but that's hardly sim-like. Regardless, wanting a mech game that cuts out all the complexity of a mech game is simply retarded. When I was twelve it may have been enough to put robots and explosions needlessly into things to make them awesome, but I actually thought Transformers was a ###### movie because I'm not twelve anymore. All the same, wanting a mech game without any of the complexity of a mech game <b>means you don't want a mech game</b>.
A mech game is as much the theme and setting as it is the game mechanics, though. Look at how many "zombie games" there are, and how different they all play. There are first person shooters in numerous different themes with varying amounts of game mechanic complexity, and they do well because people like different stuff. What is wrong with making a "plain" FPS set in a mech theme? Trying to claim there is an inextricable link between a theme and a set of game mechanics is just silly.
Uh, like? The best I can come up with is L4D-style games vs. Nazi Zombies... you could argue the whole Resident Evil point but RE isn't and has never been called a 'zombie' game, it's classically been referred to as survival horror, and like all survival horror games, when you play a survival horror game you expect a certain set of 'rules' that the game works within. Limited resources like ammo and health is a cornerstone of survival horror, and if you remove that, it's not a survival horror game.
Lots of games have big robot suits - Fear 2 had like three sections where you walk through and blow people away, really nothing to it. The difference is that Fear 2 didn't stress itself as a mech game, whereas Hawken is. Everything written and made about it shoves the whole 'mech' concept in your face, and the fact is that this game doesn't present mecha in a format that even approximates what every other mecha game has - and unlike your "zombie game" example, it's not a matter of having different rules, it simply has <b>no</b> rules. You could replace all the mech graphics with wizards and ponies and the game doesn't change whatsoever.
The real question would be what do you expect to get out of a game? I play games as a sort of experience. First and foremost importance is my immersion in the world, and I want to feel like I'm in a big awkward clunky robot suit... hell, as gamers, usually the biggest criticism we have of games is that they don't do anything new, so why should we excuse Hawken for making Quake game so pretty looking it completely fooled you into not realizing it's just a Quake game? It's an orgy for the eyes, to be sure, but graphics only <i>enhance </i>gameplay, they don't define it, and as such, the mech aspect of this is a facade.
Maybe that's the difference between people who enjoyed NS for the experience of playing it and the 'play2win' ****ots... in the end the most criminal aspect of this game is that so much incredible innovation went into the graphical style and design and yet they settled for yet-another-Halo-style-shooter gameplay. As awesome as Tribes was, Tribes was <i>greater</i> than the sum of its parts, and Hawken appears to be just a fragment of Tribes' gameplay. It may still be good shooter action, but Tribes was awesome because of so much more than simple jetpacks and spinfusors.
In the end, we're not arguing about the difference between mowing down zombies with a chainsaw in two different games that have slightly different takes on the same concept - Mechwarrior and Steel Battallion were two totally different games yet they successfully made you feel like you were in command of a massive war machine - we're talking about a game that bills itself as a driving game and then features absolutely no driving action to speak of.
Also if your definition of 'believable' is a multi-ton robotic suit completely void of any flight control system or aerodynamic design floating around with enough precision to land a sniper round from your generic quake-style hitscan 'railgun'... you're a dumb.
That's my definition of awesome!
I thought you were sentrysteve
I roleplay from time to time.
Hey, too bad the art director himself compared the gameplay to Halo.
Also, maybe you weren't aware (I wouldn't blame you, seeing as how you've latched your ignorant opinion about something you clearly know nothing about) but their team is almost entirely made of artists with really no actual project lead or content developers.
Maybe go watch some of the interviews discussing the gameplay, then come back to spew your stupid.
Halo had jumpboosting, jetpacks, and skating?