UNKNOWNWORLD are you kidding us?
Hamer
Join Date: 2011-10-07 Member: 126232Members
Join Date: 2011-10-07 Member: 126232Members
You guys are really pissing me off. I purchased this game 10 months ago on january. When I purchased this game it was ###### horrible, worst than any game alpha version. You allow us to buy the game showing us cool videos on youtube but the real fact is that the gameplay is so bad. Onos is still not released, just as heavy armor or jetpack. And you set on the game that they are "coming soon" Seriously, what the ######? It takes to you more than a month to do a ###### rifle rework, instead of focusing the game performance, which is still so bad as I said. Don´t give the people the right to pre purchase a game that is still on PRE ALPHA version, this is not a beta, this is just a big fail. Another funny thing, is that when you try to prepurchase, they promise you that you will have WEEKLY steam updates, good joke UNKNOW WORDS.
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Seriously, stop talking so much on forums, and making useless videos, and start working on the game, we payd for a game, not for words....
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Seriously, stop talking so much on forums, and making useless videos, and start working on the game, we payd for a game, not for words....
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A couple things:
1) Not sure which youtube videos you're referencing, but I'm assuming you're talking about NS2HD's videos, which are linked on the main page by the dev team, but not done by them at all. They're done buy an independent community member doing it all on his own. They do not take up any of the devs time.
2) We were getting weekly updates for quite some time but as of late, it has been taking longer to get larger features into the builds and properly test them so they're riddled with game-breaking bugs every build.
3) Performance is a gradual process and there isn't 1 patch that is going to fix everything. This latest patch coming out today will be better concerning that regard, but as development continues, this will fluctuate as new features are added and break things. This is perfectly normal across EVERY video game in development. Most betas that come out by big companies have large staff numbers that can kill bugs and implement things much faster than a single independent team. This is a fact of life with indie development.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Seriously, stop talking so much on forums, and making useless videos, and start working on the game, we payd for a game, not for words....<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you wish to see current progress, I suggest viewing the daily progress tracker and design doc:
<a href="http://www.play4dead.com/ns2/" target="_blank">http://www.play4dead.com/ns2/</a>
If you're unsatisfied with the development time of the beta, they will give you a full refund if you e-mail store@unknownworlds.com with your purchase information.
If you want more content, go make some yourself, but don't complain that UWE isn't keeping abreast of development or giving us updates weekly; they're more in-touch and active with their player base than any other company I know.
Not like we have seen you on these forums adding ideas, bug fixes, or to the community as a whole. You spent under $40 dollars for ACCESS and BEHIND THE SCENES to an incomplete video game. Wasting what? 2 minutes of your oh so precious time? Here, ill refund you those two minutes, dont post here or read anything past this post (since you were porbably going to i saved you 2+ minutes in effort.) and go get your money back.
BAM! Like you never existed to us like a couple hours ago.
The world is right again...
But isn't verbal news on the game also known as a
get this
you won't believe it
it's pretty new
it's called............ an <b><u><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PjrTOjxjxk&t=0m25s" target="_blank">update</a></u></b>
*Gasp*
And linking NS2HD videos on the front page is definitely painting a generous view of the game, it isn't representitive of the playing experience of the majority, it's a highlight reel of the experience of a small number of people who can actually run the game well.
And linking NS2HD videos on the front page is definitely painting a generous view of the game, it isn't representitive of the playing experience of the majority, it's a highlight reel of the experience of a small number of people who can actually run the game well.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So you're telling me a verbal update is not an update?
All I see being advertised is "weekly updates".
It is not a game update.
You cannot seriously tell me that saying 'the beta updates weekly' and then when someone says 'but it's been over a month since the last update' it is then ok to say 'oh no we mean we'll tell you what we're thinking weekly, did you think we meant we'd patch weekly? Haha you're silly'.
The pre order site is inaccurate, pretending otherwise is really not going to fool anyone.
And linking NS2HD videos on the front page is definitely painting a generous view of the game, it isn't representitive of the playing experience of the majority, it's a highlight reel of the experience of a small number of people who can actually run the game well.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe you shouldn't start putting yourself in a position to tell me what I think and feel, because I certainly do not think it is a "copout". We're given constant streams of information from the developer's trackers, and often from the developers themselves. We could scarcely be more well-informed if we were the ones making the content.
As for what's being advertised, that's for UWE to decide. I think they're advertising weekly updates on the state of development and assuring fans that they will not be left out in the dark. It's not UWE's fault that OP didn't bother to ask what sort of rig NS2HD is running or how typical that is for people with older consoles, and it's not their fault OP assumed they were offering inexorably (and impractically, from what I've experienced in game development) regular content updates and made a purchasing decision without any second opinions or confirming evidence.
Caveat Emptor.
As for what's being advertised, that's for UWE to decide. I think they're advertising weekly updates on the state of development and assuring fans that they will not be left out in the dark. It's not UWE's fault that OP didn't bother to ask what sort of rig NS2HD is running or how typical that is for people with older consoles, and it's not their fault OP assumed they were offering something and made a purchasing decision without any second opinions or confirming evidence.
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Actually I'm pretty sure it is the avertiser's fault if people misinterpret their deliberately loose wording, entirely made up specifications, and poorly representitive example footage.
In fact I think that's almost exactly what false advertising is, intentionally misleading people to believe your product is something it's not.
In fact I think that's almost exactly what false advertising is, intentionally misleading people to believe your product is something it's not.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well only UWE can tell us if they intentionally misrepresented something, because only they know their intentions.
I could try and sue Subway for food poisoning I received from eating a sandwich of theirs a year after I purchased it, on the grounds that the bag promised I would "eat fresh"; I wouldn't get anywhere with it though, because at the end of the day, it's not their fault that I interpreted their promotional material in an unusual way, and they're not responsible for my own stupidity regarding the natural decay of food products.
Analogously, OP could certainly yell at UWE for the disappointment he felt at not receiving content every 7 days because UWE told him he would be "updated weekly", but it's not UWE's fault he assumed he would be entitled to an unrealistically rigid addition of new content (that might take longer than 7 days to integrate successfully), nor are they responsible for his lack of understanding regarding well-known increased resource strains that often accompany beta builds.
Sorry if my sight has suddenly failed me,
but I cannot seem to see the words "game update" anywhere.
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Oh my
All I see being advertised is "weekly updates".<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually I see "updates weekly", most probably a 3rd person singular verb, and what gets updated? The beta. Sorry to get all grammatical, but that's what I do for a living and so I have to side with Chris on that one.
As for the matter at hand: it's clear the OP is not very aware of how game development works (e.g. associating performances with rifle rework), and the way the post is written - by a 1 post user - is just pathetic. However, UWE were never known for their very stable development process. They did try multiple times to get updates out on a regular basis, but sometimes it just can't happen. I understand that and frankly, at this point, I, and everyone I encouraged to pre-order on day 1, just don't bother anymore. We'll see it when it comes out.
If he is unhappy with the game, they will refund him.
but I cannot seem to see the words "game update" anywhere.
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And I am telling you that that is clearly just being picky.
You know damn well that it is entirely reasonable and indeed probable that that will be interpreted as 'the game will be patched weekly' and I don't appreciate the feigned innocence.
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No, the way it works is that you get a group of people together to assess what the probable and reasonable reaction to a piece of advertising is, and if they decide that enough people will misinterpret it, and that the advertisers could reasonably know this would be the case, then it is deliberate false advertising. You don't get to run a legal system where the only way to find someone guilty is if they admit it.
In a crude form this amounts to 'if enough people complain about it, there's clearly something wrong'.
it was his choice, the he need to live with it. There is everywhere information that game is under development!
Stop whining, ask a refund if your not happy.
There are games that take longer and play/run worse.
<!--quoteo(post=1878458:date=Oct 7 2011, 08:15 PM:name=Corporal_Fortier)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Corporal_Fortier @ Oct 7 2011, 08:15 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1878458"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Actually I see "updates weekly", most probably a 3rd person singular verb, and what gets updated? The beta. Sorry to get all grammatical, but that's what I do for a living and so I have to side with Chris on that one.
As for the matter at hand: it's clear the OP is not very aware of how game development works (e.g. associating performances with rifle rework), and the way the post is written - by a 1 post user - is just pathetic. However, UWE were never known for their very stable development process. They did try multiple times to get updates out on a regular basis, but sometimes it just can't happen. I understand that and frankly, at this point, I, and everyone I encouraged to pre-order on day 1, just don't bother anymore. We'll see it when it comes out.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is correct, it doesnt say weekly updates, it says ...beta on steam... (updates weekly), so its about the BETA on STEAM (the game, as in game updates).
Other then that, i honestly dont care either way, 186 will release soon and it will be MASSIVE, larger then all "weekly" updates we missed so far combined because they dont have to bother with making it decent every week again.
<!--quoteo(post=1878459:date=Oct 7 2011, 08:16 PM:name=Daphisto)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Daphisto @ Oct 7 2011, 08:16 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1878459"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Might I request that someone remove this troll thread? It doesn't contribute anything constructive to the forum or the game.
If he is unhappy with the game, they will refund him.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I disagree with you, even though the OP must have some serious anger issues and i dont approve of people posting in a rage he still has the right to express himself.
Other then that, yes, if hes that upset about it he should just get a refund, but honestly imo some other people should do this as well instead of ###### in every thread
Also the title:
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Why is OP trying to speak for all of us?
I dont like it when people try do pull something like that to put extra power into their statements.
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Source please? How should I do that? I have tried paypal in the past with no sucess.
I am just so dissapointed with the game, I prepurchased the game because it seem to be fine in some videos, but this is not clearly a beta, as I said it is still on pre alpha...
I am just so dissapointed with the game, I prepurchased the game because it seem to be fine in some videos, but this is not clearly a beta, as I said it is still on pre alpha...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you email them they apparently have a fairly liberal returns policy.
Of course, I agree with you.
Look <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/NS2" target="_blank">here</a>
This is the NS2 twitter page where they, and excuse me if I'm wrong, they <b><u>update</u></b> the status of the <b><u>Betas</u></b> development.
<!--quoteo(post=1878460:date=Oct 7 2011, 07:17 PM:name=Chris0132)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chris0132 @ Oct 7 2011, 07:17 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1878460"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->No, the way it works is that you get a group of people together to assess what the probable and reasonable reaction to a piece of advertising is, and if they decide that enough people will misinterpret it, and that the advertisers could reasonably know this would be the case, then it is deliberate false advertising. You don't get to run a legal system where the only way to find someone guilty is if they admit it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sorry to burst your bubble but society is subjected to this countless times everyday, and in plain sight too.
That's the idea of marketing, to make a bottle of water look like it came from a spring blessed by God itself.
As was said before, the term Caveat Emptor is still used for a reason.
The sales of goods and supply of services act 1980 is not breached in anyway.
Plus, releasing a build every week is absurd in that it liturally kills community interest.
Hamer, if you are firm about wanting a refund, you can e-mail store@unknownworlds.com. You'll need your paypal sale ID and you should do it from the e-mail address you use for paypal if possible.