Segfault on build 190

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<div class="IPBDescription">using wine 1.3.24 on Fedora 14</div>Here's the console output from when I started it.

<div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain' style='height:200px;white-space:pre;overflow:auto'>~ $ wine server.exe -name "TWMF Corporation NS2 | Dedicated Linux/Wine" -map ns2_tram -limit 16 -save 1
Application tried to create a window, but no driver could be loaded.
Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly.
err:systray:initialize_systray Could not create tray window
fixme:actctx:parse_assembly_elem wrong version for assembly manifest: 8.0.50608.0 / 8.0.50727.6195
fixme:actctx:parse_manifest_buffer failed to parse manifest L"Z:\\home\\ns2\\Microsoft.VC80.CRT.manifest"
fixme:actctx:parse_depend_manifests Could not find dependent assembly L"Microsoft.VC80.CRT" (8.0.50608.0)
Changing setting 'mapName' to: 'ns2_tram'...
Changing setting 'playerLimit' to: '16'...
Changing setting 'serverName' to: 'TWMF Corporation NS2 | Dedicated Linux/Wine'...
Press Tab to open the console window
Press Ctrl-C to exit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Application tried to create a window, but no driver could be loaded.
Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly.
Build 190
Starting Natural Selection 2
err:ntlm:SECUR32_initNTLMSP ntlm_auth was not found or is outdated. Make sure that ntlm_auth >= 3.0.25 is in your path.
err:ntlm:SECUR32_initNTLMSP Usually, you can find it in the winbind package of your distribution.
fixme:toolhelp:CreateToolhelp32Snapshot Unimplemented: heap list snapshot
fixme:toolhelp:Heap32ListFirst : stub
Failed to load Steam ServiceServiceStart: failed to startServiceStart: failed to startSetting breakpad minidump AppID = 4920
Connected to Steam servers
Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/shift/shift.model
Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/shift/shift.animation_graph
Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/cocoon/cocoon.model
Error: Couldn't open file 'models/marine/welder/welder.model
Error: Couldn't open file 'models/marine/welder/welder_view.model
Loading 'maps/ns2_tram.level'
Error: Couldn't open file 'models/props/refinery/refinery_fan128_blades.animation_graph
Error: Couldn't open file 'models/effects/halo_green.model
Error: Couldn't open file 'models/effects/halo_blue.model
Error: Couldn't open file 'models/effects/halo_rounded_blue.model
Error: Couldn't open file 'models/props/refinery/refinery_shipping_hologram_animated.animation_graph
Error: Couldn't open file '
err:seh:setup_exception_record stack overflow 168 bytes in thread 0035 eip 7bc720d6 esp 05551288 stack 0x5550000-0x5551000-0x5650000
Segmentation fault</div>

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  • FlayraFlayra Game Director, Unknown Worlds Entertainment San Francisco Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 3Super Administrators, NS2 Developer, Subnautica Developer
    We don't actually support this but...

    "Application tried to create a window, but no driver could be loaded." sure sounds bad...
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  • ObraxisObraxis Subnautica Animator & Generalist, NS2 Person Join Date: 2004-07-24 Member: 30071Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Silver, WC 2013 - Supporter, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts
    I would have trouble believing that a WINE NS2 server could run at a decent tickrate. I'd be happy to be proven wrong! :-)
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  • xx3nvyxxxx3nvyxx Join Date: 2007-08-26 Member: 62000Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1893976:date=Jan 12 2012, 03:35 PM:name=Flayra)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Flayra @ Jan 12 2012, 03:35 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1893976"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We don't actually support this but...

    "Application tried to create a window, but no driver could be loaded." sure sounds bad...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Does the server spawn a window now? Previous versions would stay in the console they're run in if started on the command line (I assume). I've been running the server under wine for the last six months without issue.


    <!--quoteo(post=1894051:date=Jan 12 2012, 09:53 PM:name=Obraxis)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Obraxis @ Jan 12 2012, 09:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1894051"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I would have trouble believing that a WINE NS2 server could run at a decent tickrate. I'd be happy to be proven wrong! :-)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It doesn't. People complain and/or avoid our server. But I'd rather not try to run a windows VM just to see if it performs better.
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  • acid_rainacid_rain NS2 NAPT Mascot Austin, TX Join Date: 2010-02-16 Member: 70588Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Subnautica Playtester
    Not unless you're adding -console for the profiler, I don't think so. Just for the heck of it, try adding -console to the command line params and see what you get. I doubt it will change anything, but I'd like to see what happens. Sounds like it's unable to create the console in general.
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  • YuukiYuuki Join Date: 2010-11-20 Member: 75079Members
    Google the errors, seems like a known problem :

    <a href="http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/wine-x-server-error-492550/" target="_blank">http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/sl...r-error-492550/</a>


    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It doesn't. People complain and/or avoid our server.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    ? Why do you want to run a server then ?
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  • xx3nvyxxxx3nvyxx Join Date: 2007-08-26 Member: 62000Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited January 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=1894083:date=Jan 13 2012, 01:37 AM:name=acid_rain)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (acid_rain @ Jan 13 2012, 01:37 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1894083"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Not unless you're adding -console for the profiler, I don't think so. Just for the heck of it, try adding -console to the command line params and see what you get. I doubt it will change anything, but I'd like to see what happens. Sounds like it's unable to create the console in general.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah, still segfaults.
    <div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain' style='height:200px;white-space:pre;overflow:auto'>~ $ wine server.exe -name "TWMF Corporation NS2 | Dedicated Linux/Wine" -map ns2_tram -limit 16 -save 1 -console
    Application tried to create a window, but no driver could be loaded.
    Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly.
    err:systray:initialize_systray Could not create tray window
    fixme:actctx:parse_assembly_elem wrong version for assembly manifest: 8.0.50608.0 / 8.0.50727.6195
    fixme:actctx:parse_manifest_buffer failed to parse manifest L"Z:\\home\\ns2\\Microsoft.VC80.CRT.manifest"
    fixme:actctx:parse_depend_manifests Could not find dependent assembly L"Microsoft.VC80.CRT" (8.0.50608.0)
    Changing setting 'mapName' to: 'ns2_tram'...
    Changing setting 'playerLimit' to: '16'...
    Changing setting 'serverName' to: 'TWMF Corporation NS2 | Dedicated Linux/Wine'...
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Application tried to create a window, but no driver could be loaded.
    Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly.
    Build 190
    Starting Natural Selection 2
    err:ntlm:SECUR32_initNTLMSP ntlm_auth was not found or is outdated. Make sure that ntlm_auth >= 3.0.25 is in your path.
    err:ntlm:SECUR32_initNTLMSP Usually, you can find it in the winbind package of your distribution.
    fixme:toolhelp:CreateToolhelp32Snapshot Unimplemented: heap list snapshot
    fixme:toolhelp:Heap32ListFirst : stub
    Failed to load Steam ServiceServiceStart: failed to startServiceStart: failed to startSetting breakpad minidump AppID = 4920
    Connected to Steam servers
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/shift/shift.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/shift/shift.animation_graph
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/cocoon/cocoon.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/marine/welder/welder.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/marine/welder/welder_view.model
    Loading 'maps/ns2_tram.level'
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/props/refinery/refinery_fan128_blades.animation_graph
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/effects/halo_green.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/effects/halo_blue.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/effects/halo_rounded_blue.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/props/refinery/refinery_shipping_hologram_animated.animation_graph
    Error: Couldn't open file '
    err:seh:setup_exception_record stack overflow 168 bytes in thread 0035 eip 7bc720d6 esp 05551288 stack 0x5550000-0x5551000-0x5650000
    Segmentation fault</div>

    <!--quoteo(post=1894085:date=Jan 13 2012, 01:42 AM:name=Yuuki)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yuuki @ Jan 13 2012, 01:42 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1894085"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Google the errors, seems like a known problem :

    <a href="http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/wine-x-server-error-492550/" target="_blank">http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/sl...r-error-492550/</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah, it's a very common problem, because a lot of people run their servers without X. If you don't even have X installed, of course it's not going to find a display driver or a $DISPLAY variable.
    Edit: That particular link shows what happens when wine is run as root (superuser/administrator). On a typical system root doesn't have access to X, because nothing should be run in windowed mode with that amount of privileges. On this system, since it's headless and doesn't have X installed, no user has access to X, even normal users.

    <!--quoteo(post=1894085:date=Jan 13 2012, 01:42 AM:name=Yuuki)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yuuki @ Jan 13 2012, 01:42 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1894085"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->? Why do you want to run a server then ?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Because I want to see if it will ever get better? I love the game and want to contribute some of my server's unused power to the community by hosting a server, but until there's a linux version I am stuck with low performance on wine.
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  • xx3nvyxxxx3nvyxx Join Date: 2007-08-26 Member: 62000Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Oh, and here's the 191 output:
    <div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain' style='height:200px;white-space:pre;overflow:auto'>~ $ wine server.exe -name "TWMF Corporation NS2 | Dedicated Linux/Wine" -map ns2_tram -limit 16 -save 1
    Application tried to create a window, but no driver could be loaded.
    Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly.
    err:systray:initialize_systray Could not create tray window
    fixme:actctx:parse_assembly_elem wrong version for assembly manifest: 8.0.50608.0 / 8.0.50727.6195
    fixme:actctx:parse_manifest_buffer failed to parse manifest L"Z:\\home\\ns2\\Microsoft.VC80.CRT.manifest"
    fixme:actctx:parse_depend_manifests Could not find dependent assembly L"Microsoft.VC80.CRT" (8.0.50608.0)
    Changing setting 'mapName' to: 'ns2_tram'...
    Changing setting 'playerLimit' to: '16'...
    Changing setting 'serverName' to: 'TWMF Corporation NS2 | Dedicated Linux/Wine'...
    Press Tab to open the console window
    Press Ctrl-C to exit
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Application tried to create a window, but no driver could be loaded.
    Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly.
    Build 191
    Starting Natural Selection 2
    err:ntlm:SECUR32_initNTLMSP ntlm_auth was not found or is outdated. Make sure that ntlm_auth >= 3.0.25 is in your path.
    err:ntlm:SECUR32_initNTLMSP Usually, you can find it in the winbind package of your distribution.
    fixme:toolhelp:CreateToolhelp32Snapshot Unimplemented: heap list snapshot
    fixme:toolhelp:Heap32ListFirst : stub
    Failed to load Steam Service
    ServiceStart: failed to start
    ServiceStart: failed to start
    Setting breakpad minidump AppID = 4920
    Connected to Steam servers
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/shift/shift.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/shift/shift.animation_graph
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/cocoon/cocoon.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/marine/jetpack/jetpack.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/marine/jetpack/jetpack.animation_graph
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/onos/onos_view.animation_graph
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/onos/onos.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/onos/onos_view.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/onos/onos.animation_graph
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/marine/welder/welder.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/marine/welder/welder_view.model
    Loading 'maps/ns2_tram.level'
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/props/refinery/refinery_fan128_blades.animation_graph
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/effects/halo_green.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/effects/halo_blue.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/effects/halo_rounded_blue.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/props/refinery/refinery_shipping_hologram_animated.animation_graph
    Error: Couldn't open file '
    err:seh:setup_exception_record stack overflow 168 bytes in thread 0036 eip 7bc720d6 esp 05651288 stack 0x5650000-0x5651000-0x5750000
    Segmentation fault
    </div>
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  • xx3nvyxxxx3nvyxx Join Date: 2007-08-26 Member: 62000Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Build 192 output
    <div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain' style='height:200px;white-space:pre;overflow:auto'>~ $ wine server.exe -name "TWMF Corporation NS2 | Dedicated Linux/Wine" -map ns2_tram -limit 16 -save 1
    Application tried to create a window, but no driver could be loaded.
    Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly.
    err:systray:initialize_systray Could not create tray window
    fixme:actctx:parse_assembly_elem wrong version for assembly manifest: 8.0.50608.0 / 8.0.50727.6195
    fixme:actctx:parse_manifest_buffer failed to parse manifest L"Z:\\home\\ns2\\Microsoft.VC80.CRT.manifest"
    fixme:actctx:parse_depend_manifests Could not find dependent assembly L"Microsoft.VC80.CRT" (8.0.50608.0)
    Changing setting 'mapName' to: 'ns2_tram'...
    Changing setting 'playerLimit' to: '16'...
    Changing setting 'serverName' to: 'TWMF Corporation NS2 | Dedicated Linux/Wine'...
    Press Tab to open the console window
    Press Ctrl-C to exit
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Application tried to create a window, but no driver could be loaded.
    Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly.
    Build 192
    Starting Natural Selection 2
    err:ntlm:SECUR32_initNTLMSP ntlm_auth was not found or is outdated. Make sure that ntlm_auth >= 3.0.25 is in your path.
    err:ntlm:SECUR32_initNTLMSP Usually, you can find it in the winbind package of your distribution.
    fixme:toolhelp:CreateToolhelp32Snapshot Unimplemented: heap list snapshot
    fixme:toolhelp:Heap32ListFirst : stub
    Failed to load Steam Service
    ServiceStart: failed to start
    ServiceStart: failed to start
    Setting breakpad minidump AppID = 4920
    Connected to Steam servers
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/shift/shift.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/shift/shift.animation_graph
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/cocoon/cocoon.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/marine/jetpack/jetpack.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/marine/jetpack/jetpack.animation_graph
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/onos/onos_view.animation_graph
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/onos/onos.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/onos/onos_view.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/onos/onos.animation_graph
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/marine/welder/welder.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/marine/welder/welder_view.model
    Loading 'maps/ns2_tram.level'
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/props/refinery/refinery_fan128_blades.animation_graph
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/effects/halo_green.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/effects/halo_blue.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/effects/halo_rounded_blue.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/props/refinery/refinery_shipping_hologram_animated.animation_graph
    Error: Couldn't open file '
    err:seh:setup_exception_record stack overflow 168 bytes in thread 0036 eip 7bc720d6 esp 082c1288 stack 0x82c0000-0x82c1000-0x83c0000
    Segmentation fault
    </div>
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  • xx3nvyxxxx3nvyxx Join Date: 2007-08-26 Member: 62000Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Unsurprising 193 output
    <div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain' style='height:200px;white-space:pre;overflow:auto'>~ $ wine server.exe -name "TWMF Corporation NS2 | Dedicated Linux/Wine" -map ns2_tram -limit 16 -save 1
    Application tried to create a window, but no driver could be loaded.
    Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly.
    err:systray:initialize_systray Could not create tray window
    fixme:actctx:parse_assembly_elem wrong version for assembly manifest: 8.0.50608.0 / 8.0.50727.6195
    fixme:actctx:parse_manifest_buffer failed to parse manifest L"Z:\\home\\ns2\\Microsoft.VC80.CRT.manifest"
    fixme:actctx:parse_depend_manifests Could not find dependent assembly L"Microsoft.VC80.CRT" (8.0.50608.0)
    Changing setting 'mapName' to: 'ns2_tram'...
    Changing setting 'playerLimit' to: '16'...
    Changing setting 'serverName' to: 'TWMF Corporation NS2 | Dedicated Linux/Wine'...
    Press Tab to open the console window
    Press Ctrl-C to exit
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Application tried to create a window, but no driver could be loaded.
    Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly.
    Build 193
    Starting Natural Selection 2
    err:ntlm:SECUR32_initNTLMSP ntlm_auth was not found or is outdated. Make sure that ntlm_auth >= 3.0.25 is in your path.
    err:ntlm:SECUR32_initNTLMSP Usually, you can find it in the winbind package of your distribution.
    fixme:toolhelp:CreateToolhelp32Snapshot Unimplemented: heap list snapshot
    fixme:toolhelp:Heap32ListFirst : stub
    Failed to load Steam Service
    ServiceStart: failed to start
    ServiceStart: failed to start
    Setting breakpad minidump AppID = 4920
    Connected to Steam servers
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/shift/shift.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/shift/shift.animation_graph
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/cocoon/cocoon.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/marine/jetpack/jetpack.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/marine/jetpack/jetpack.animation_graph
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/onos/onos_view.animation_graph
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/onos/onos.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/onos/onos_view.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/onos/onos.animation_graph
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/marine/welder/welder.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/marine/welder/welder_view.model
    Loading 'maps/ns2_tram.level'
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/props/refinery/refinery_fan128_blades.animation_graph
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/effects/halo_green.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/effects/halo_blue.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/effects/halo_rounded_blue.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/props/refinery/refinery_shipping_hologram_animated.animation_graph
    Error: Couldn't open file '
    err:seh:setup_exception_record stack overflow 168 bytes in thread 0036 eip 7bc720d6 esp 082c1288 stack 0x82c0000-0x82c1000-0x83c0000
    Segmentation fault
    </div>
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  • xx3nvyxxxx3nvyxx Join Date: 2007-08-26 Member: 62000Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    194
    <div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain' style='height:200px;white-space:pre;overflow:auto'>~$ wine server.exe -name "TWMF Corporation NS2 | Dedicated Linux/Wine" -map ns2_tram -limit 16 -save 1
    Application tried to create a window, but no driver could be loaded.
    Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly.
    err:systray:initialize_systray Could not create tray window
    fixme:actctx:parse_assembly_elem wrong version for assembly manifest: 8.0.50608.0 / 8.0.50727.6195
    fixme:actctx:parse_manifest_buffer failed to parse manifest L"Z:\\home\\ns2\\Microsoft.VC80.CRT.manifest"
    fixme:actctx:parse_depend_manifests Could not find dependent assembly L"Microsoft.VC80.CRT" (8.0.50608.0)
    Changing setting 'mapName' to: 'ns2_tram'...
    Changing setting 'playerLimit' to: '16'...
    Changing setting 'serverName' to: 'TWMF Corporation NS2 | Dedicated Linux/Wine'...
    Press Tab to open the console window
    Press Ctrl-C to exit
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Application tried to create a window, but no driver could be loaded.
    Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly.
    Build 194
    Starting Natural Selection 2
    err:ntlm:SECUR32_initNTLMSP ntlm_auth was not found or is outdated. Make sure that ntlm_auth >= 3.0.25 is in your path.
    err:ntlm:SECUR32_initNTLMSP Usually, you can find it in the winbind package of your distribution.
    fixme:toolhelp:CreateToolhelp32Snapshot Unimplemented: heap list snapshot
    fixme:toolhelp:Heap32ListFirst : stub
    Failed to load Steam Service
    ServiceStart: failed to start
    ServiceStart: failed to start
    Setting breakpad minidump AppID = 4920
    Connected to Steam servers
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/shift/shift.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/shift/shift.animation_graph
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/alien/cocoon/cocoon.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/marine/welder/welder.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/marine/welder/welder_view.model
    Loading 'maps/ns2_tram.level'
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/props/refinery/refinery_fan128_blades.animation_graph
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/effects/halo_green.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/effects/halo_blue.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/effects/halo_rounded_blue.model
    Error: Couldn't open file 'models/props/refinery/refinery_shipping_hologram_animated.animation_graph
    Error: Couldn't open file '
    err:seh:setup_exception_record stack overflow 168 bytes in thread 0036 eip 7bc720d6 esp 081b1288 stack 0x81b0000-0x81b1000-0x82b0000
    Segmentation fault</div>
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