B195 Weapon and Attack Quirks
Skie
Skulk Progenitor Join Date: 2003-10-18 Member: 21766Members, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow
Skulk Progenitor Join Date: 2003-10-18 Member: 21766Members, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow
<div class="IPBDescription">List of all bugs/features in attacks atm</div>Hello.
After playing NS2 a lot, you start noticing some glitches/bugs/quirks/features in the attacks of almost all weapons. In this thread I'm going to list all I've come across so far. Some of them are clearly bugs, but some of them are 'feature material', ie stuff that could make the pros stand out from the normal folk by mastering these techniques.
<div align='center'>Here's a video to go along with the text to showcase (almost) each quirk.</div>
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<u>Rifle</u>
This weapon has three quirks.
1) Double tapping and holding fire causes firing sound to disappear. This works every time. Most likely a bug.
2) Melee swing speed is faster if you are moving while holding the melee attack button. Most likely a bug, I don't like it as an idea feature.
3) (not in video) The weapon doesn't shoot a bullet if you click attack really shortly (under 2ms). It's really hard to reproduce when recording with fraps so it's not in the video.
<u>Pistol</u>
This weapon fires faster in both modes if you are jumping.
1) The primary attack mode has unrestricted firing speed when you are mid-air. It has a potential DPS increase of +500%. It is silly and should be either slowed down or removed completely. It could be a bit faster, but not as fast as now.
2) The secondary attack speed is about double faster when jumping. It has a DPS increase of 50-100%. I like this, because if you can time your jumps you can take a few extra fast shots which are really hard to land, and when you fall back to the ground you are slower at firing again unless you time your jump right.
3) (Already reported and fixed? Not in video.) If you change firing modes after jumping, pistol gets stuck.
<u>Shotgun</u>
The shotgun fires faster if you are both moving and clicking every time right before the animation ends. Some of the animation is bypassed this way. It has a DPS increase of about 20-30% which is in reasonable limits. This is feature candidate material right here, although the 'moving' bit could be removed.
<u>Axe</u>
The axe swings a bit faster if you click each time right before the second hit animation comes to the end. This has a DPS increase of about 20%. This is also feature candidate material, I think it's a nice touch the weapon could have.
<u>Gorge Spit</u>
The gorge spit is really buggy at the moment.
1) If you click each time instead of holding fire, it shoots a bit faster. I like this.
2) Unfortunately the projectiles sometimes collide into eachother if you fire too fast and disappear right in front of you.
3) If you click really <i>shortly</i> (under 3ms per click) then the projectiles sometimes doesn't fly at all.
4) If you click really rapidly, then sometimes you get two projectiles instead of one.
<u>Gorge Bile</u>
Gorge bilebomb is also buggy.
1) If you click really shortly, then it doesn't always create a projectile.
2) If you jump and click twice really fast, it sometimes creates two projectiles instead of one.
<u>Gorge Healspray</u> (not in video)
Sometimes the gorge healspray is activated twice in a row when you tap the secondary attack rapidly.
<u>Skulk</u>
The skulk bite doesn't always make a sound when you click really shortly (under 3ms per click). This is definitely a bug and should be removed.
<u>Fade</u>
1) The fade swing doesn't always make a sound when you click really shortly (under 3ms per click). This is definitely a bug and should be removed.
2) The fade secondary attack sometimes plays the sound twice when you click attack rapidly. Only one hit registers though. A bug.
<u>Lerk</u>
The lerk spike doesn't always make a sound when you click really shortly (under 3ms per click). This is definitely a bug and should be removed.
The onos attacks and flamethrower seem to be working okay, so I don't really have any comments on those. Grenade launcher grenades are a bit sluggish at times, and their flying speed is slow in my opinion, but those aren't really quirks that stand out.
Comments?
After playing NS2 a lot, you start noticing some glitches/bugs/quirks/features in the attacks of almost all weapons. In this thread I'm going to list all I've come across so far. Some of them are clearly bugs, but some of them are 'feature material', ie stuff that could make the pros stand out from the normal folk by mastering these techniques.
<div align='center'>Here's a video to go along with the text to showcase (almost) each quirk.</div>
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<u>Rifle</u>
This weapon has three quirks.
1) Double tapping and holding fire causes firing sound to disappear. This works every time. Most likely a bug.
2) Melee swing speed is faster if you are moving while holding the melee attack button. Most likely a bug, I don't like it as an idea feature.
3) (not in video) The weapon doesn't shoot a bullet if you click attack really shortly (under 2ms). It's really hard to reproduce when recording with fraps so it's not in the video.
<u>Pistol</u>
This weapon fires faster in both modes if you are jumping.
1) The primary attack mode has unrestricted firing speed when you are mid-air. It has a potential DPS increase of +500%. It is silly and should be either slowed down or removed completely. It could be a bit faster, but not as fast as now.
2) The secondary attack speed is about double faster when jumping. It has a DPS increase of 50-100%. I like this, because if you can time your jumps you can take a few extra fast shots which are really hard to land, and when you fall back to the ground you are slower at firing again unless you time your jump right.
3) (Already reported and fixed? Not in video.) If you change firing modes after jumping, pistol gets stuck.
<u>Shotgun</u>
The shotgun fires faster if you are both moving and clicking every time right before the animation ends. Some of the animation is bypassed this way. It has a DPS increase of about 20-30% which is in reasonable limits. This is feature candidate material right here, although the 'moving' bit could be removed.
<u>Axe</u>
The axe swings a bit faster if you click each time right before the second hit animation comes to the end. This has a DPS increase of about 20%. This is also feature candidate material, I think it's a nice touch the weapon could have.
<u>Gorge Spit</u>
The gorge spit is really buggy at the moment.
1) If you click each time instead of holding fire, it shoots a bit faster. I like this.
2) Unfortunately the projectiles sometimes collide into eachother if you fire too fast and disappear right in front of you.
3) If you click really <i>shortly</i> (under 3ms per click) then the projectiles sometimes doesn't fly at all.
4) If you click really rapidly, then sometimes you get two projectiles instead of one.
<u>Gorge Bile</u>
Gorge bilebomb is also buggy.
1) If you click really shortly, then it doesn't always create a projectile.
2) If you jump and click twice really fast, it sometimes creates two projectiles instead of one.
<u>Gorge Healspray</u> (not in video)
Sometimes the gorge healspray is activated twice in a row when you tap the secondary attack rapidly.
<u>Skulk</u>
The skulk bite doesn't always make a sound when you click really shortly (under 3ms per click). This is definitely a bug and should be removed.
<u>Fade</u>
1) The fade swing doesn't always make a sound when you click really shortly (under 3ms per click). This is definitely a bug and should be removed.
2) The fade secondary attack sometimes plays the sound twice when you click attack rapidly. Only one hit registers though. A bug.
<u>Lerk</u>
The lerk spike doesn't always make a sound when you click really shortly (under 3ms per click). This is definitely a bug and should be removed.
The onos attacks and flamethrower seem to be working okay, so I don't really have any comments on those. Grenade launcher grenades are a bit sluggish at times, and their flying speed is slow in my opinion, but those aren't really quirks that stand out.
Comments?
Comments
I will say, that i don't think "Pro's" should depend bugs to "stand out" from new players. Thats just sad...
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I don't know if it's still the case.
Also is the big delay to bite after parasite still there ?
Seems like that's fixed.
I knew there were some issues with weapons, but never expected almost every weapon to have these issues! I'm guessing the clicking instead of holding the button is a general issue with the way the mouse inputs are handled (animation speed and sound issues). Going over your list, the following bugs are being worked on right now or reported (needs acceptance still)
Gorge Bile
Gorge bilebomb is also buggy.
1) If you click really shortly, then it doesn't always create a projectile. <b>(reported)</b>
2) If you jump and click twice really fast, it sometimes creates two projectiles instead of one. <b>(being worked on right now)</b>
issue 2 also does double damage (both bilebombs)
I guess the clickNhold vs clicking could be reported as one, We'll be sure to spam this thread to UWE :P
<!--QuoteBegin-JayArc+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JayArc)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I will say, that i don't think "Pro's" should depend bugs to "stand out" from new players. Thats just sad...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That depends on your definition of "bug". Afaik, almost all movement-related features like bunnyhopping in GoldSrc, strafe jumping in Quake or surfing in Tribes were bugs originally, but didn't get fixed because they added a lot of depth to the game.
Some of the things are just stupid (like faster shooting when moving) and add no depth at all, but actually having to click each time instead of just holding the button does add something. In some games, weapons like shotguns act like the NS pistol anyway, so they don't shoot automatically when you hold your button down.
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<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->- <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->The pistol, shotgun, axe (maybe more weapons - didnt test aliens) have a fire delay after you jump and click/shoot at the wrong time... ~0.5-1s.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> (if you just make a quick click and release it doesnt even shoot/swing at this moment => you either need to press and hold until it shoots or click spam until it shoots. The axe has an additional feature - if you time it right it freezes the animation until you release the mousebutton, also release only resets it so you have to click again to swing)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Will upload a video later.
it happend twice for me as gorge, when i could not use my healspray or any other weapon anymore, and once as skulk
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Will upload a video later.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I thought this was intentional?
My guess is that most of theses bugs are linked to animation, I can't see another reason why the firing rate would change with jump or walk.
Onos' smash does not hit MACs, but gorges' bile bombs do. Bile bombs don't hit players, and smash doesn't hit players. Onos' gore hits MACs.
Are MACs buildings or players? Why shouldn't the onos be able to smash them?
Yup good to see.
Same happens with the pistol. I think this was added intentionally to make marines stop spamming jump. You can still spam jump but you need to time your jumps correctly with the shooting.
And on the axe its not only delaying the swing - it <u>wont </u>swing until you release the leftmouse button and click again.
Doesnt happen on the riflebutt, flamethrower, lmg or gl.
(also if you reload the shotgun while jumping(and its not the last bullet) you can bypass the delay)
Or is my assumption false and these are not animation system bugs?
So I find it interesting that you're concerned about - or have even discovered - that there's bugs in the game that exist when you refire at rates three times FASTER than any human alive could even theoretically perform the actions in question.
lol script kiddies. Some things about NS will never change, it seems.
So I find it interesting that you're concerned about - or have even discovered - that there's bugs in the game that exist when you refire at rates three times FASTER than any human alive could even theoretically perform the actions in question.
lol script kiddies. Some things about NS will never change, it seems.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you use mouse wheel for shooting, depending on the mouse, it sometimes rolls so fast from one position to another that it most of the time registers for a shorter time than a normal click on the mouse1 button. It's an almost instantaneous pulse signal instead of a long one.
Also depending on the mouse, you can make the mouse1 button vibrate to 'ON' state so shortly intentionally, by whacking a small part of the button with your finger, that it only signals for a 1-3ms or so.
I guess it's only natural for me to seek out things like these with the billion years of FPS experience that I have.
Oh god, now you have done it... :-/
So I find it interesting that you're concerned about - or have even discovered - that there's bugs in the game that exist when you refire at rates three times FASTER than any human alive could even theoretically perform the actions in question.
lol script kiddies. Some things about NS will never change, it seems.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's missing the point. We're talking about the amount of time between the "press" and the "release" signal, for which it is irrelevant how long they travel.