Marines speed
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Join Date: 2012-02-18 Member: 146506Members, Reinforced - Supporter
Join Date: 2012-02-18 Member: 146506Members, Reinforced - Supporter
<div class="IPBDescription">They're so fast like flash!</div>I don't know if marines are intended to be faster now? They're faster than skulks.
Skulks got fatter.
Marines went on diet.
I can't even catch up with a marine lol. In this build, it became "rine rush", last build it was "skulk rush".
Skulks got fatter.
Marines went on diet.
I can't even catch up with a marine lol. In this build, it became "rine rush", last build it was "skulk rush".
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Yeah, I agree if skulk's speed stays like that, sprinting needs to be decreased a little. Marines tend to rush the hive and kill all the eggs, then kill all the skulks, then the hive. Skulks dies so fast now because of its speed.
Also, I find it hilarious that a Marine could just turn turn-a-bout-face to his allies and sprint into the other direction while the skulk desperately tries to reach the Marine in time.
Seriously, I think 50% of the reason aliens are losing so much right now can be directly tied to this speed increase.
Seriously, I think 50% of the reason aliens are losing so much right now can be directly tied to this speed increase.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, they can be right in front of you in a blink.
Sure marines run faster now. But it feels good, it feels satisfying. The skulks are still capable, still very strong. Most people are simply not good at playing skulk, they play it like they're a marine, they attack on the ground head on. Try ambushing, use parasite before biting for chance of needing 1 less bite. Also try and click to bit when you need to instead of holding the button down.
The only judgement I can make is that playing both sides is very easy. There is no longer leap + focus, or a steady 1 hit kill shotgun. The game is slowed down a bit from both team perspectives. Once everyone's skill become relative to one another, the game will probably feel frustrating for I feel the skill cap is a bit low.
Seriously, I think 50% of the reason aliens are losing so much right now can be directly tied to this speed increase.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In my experience, the team wins I'm playing on every single time almost. I play marine and alien equally.
The new sprint doesn't make a marine harder to kill. It simply lets them rotate around the map faster. A marine can now sprint away from a skulk, but what do you expect?! A marine can't walk backwards! They only option a marine has is to fight or run. Last path running was less of an option.
I'm not saying the movement speed adjustments were a bad thing, but it's a lot harder to kill a marine just sitting at the end of a hallway now.
I know, and this is why I mentioned early-game. How often do you see comms prioritizing phase gates over mines/shotties/arms lab upgrades? Perhaps in competitive matches where you need to secure a location asap, but otherwise, it's risky. Also, take into account maps like tram, where extractors can be a pain for marines to reach in order to defend.
I actually like the sprint mechanic the way it is now. You start sprinting from 5 speed, and upon reaching half of the sprint's total duration, you reach 9 speed. This requires sprinting in a straight line, however, and moving your mouse or strafing dramatically lowers your speed. It immediately starts decreasing from 9 to 5 for the last half of the sprint. This is a lot more balanced than, lets say, a uniform 9 speed sprint. I can tell the team put a lot of thought into it.
I agree that the max sprint speed should be decreased to perhaps 8, though. It's silly watching the marine sprinting animation when compared to how much distance he actually covers.
I agree, the sprint animation doesn't fix very well to the actual speed. It looks like the Marine does some Nordic Walking instead of sprinting. This should be adjusted.
Seriously, I think 50% of the reason aliens are losing so much right now can be directly tied to this speed increase.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I honestly think it has more to do with the skulk movement change than with the sprint buff. AND with the improvement of hit registration. This is something I and others have been saying for a while now, it's mainly marines who benefit when the game and its hit registration become further optimised. The sprint buff would be more or less fine if they reverted skulk movement. (If they don't sprint does have to be nerfed again as well imo)
Skulk speed hasn't changed that much and is still faster than 198 when aliens were winning often enough. Once you adapt to the changes in wall-walking, jumping and "bunny hopping" you can keep your speed above the base speed easily. The big change is marine speed. It is just so easy to get out of melee range now.
Charlie has said that the reason he keeps boosting marine sprint is so that they can defend far off extractors under attack. I honestly don't understand this at all. If an extractor is "far off" doesn't that mean that you're overextended on the map, and why wouldn't that affect aliens as well? As far as I've seen in game, for both teams, whoever can kill the opposing team wins access to their extractors to deny them the resources to tech up. Seems fair. If anything this is less true for marines who have sprint, phase gates and jetpacks to quickly access the whole map.
they are the most expensive thing to go for in the entire game currently and are more like the victory lap for marines as a result. i feel once exosuit comes in, we might see jetpacks more easily obtainable and extractors will be easier to cover etc.
Except that one skulk or fade can turn a pg into a meatgrinder. In practice, it means that in some cases its quicker to run to a forward base than use the PG if you want to stay alive.
I just looked that up, and it's pretty similar. As it is now, the rifle-butt should be replaced with a front kick that does the same knock back, except it's more effective upon sprinting. Then we could re-enact our favorites action heroes like Steven Seagal and Leonidas. :P
Jetpacks kick in once the marines have an armory (10), upgraded to advanced armory (30), then a protolab built (40), and have managed to research Jetpack (60). So, 120 points into the game, rather than 75 like a second hive, assuming you build absolutely nothing else. Straight-up jetpack rush is an interesting idea for a marine strategy, but I don't think I've ever actually seen it.
I've seen it and it doesn't work too well. No upgrade/lmg marines with JPs are only slightly better against fades than no upgrade/lmg marines without JPs. You really need SGs + lvl2 armor + JP to make it an even fight.
yes it did kill our second hive but we had fades which were able to defend the 3rd hive going up + marines lost most of their pres in the jp/shotty rush so couldn't keep up a strong jp/shotty presense (armor 2 was far far away)
Once you get the second hive, you can leap and bunny hop to maintain momentum. Its also a bit silly how you can leap mid-hop, for even more speed.