argh! all-in servers! curse you!
Azaroc
Join Date: 2011-07-08 Member: 109044Members, Reinforced - Shadow
Join Date: 2011-07-08 Member: 109044Members, Reinforced - Shadow
I already typed this once, but the forums logged me out and when I logged back in, it erased all my text. I don't have the desire to retype my whole story now.
What is boils down to is this. Playing All-in #1 today, as it was the only populated US server, as per usual. Couple of maps go by, great fun, no jerks or anything. Then a the map loads and a few people with obvious fake-nicks roll in (NSPlayer, derp, etc), these players not only have PAX tags, which is weird, but they don't use voice chat at all. They started glitching, as a collective effort, the commander too. Building phase gates outside of the map, rolling around killing hives that way, not to mention completely ignoring the requests from both the aliens and their own teammates that just want a fun and honest game. One All-in player was there, Persian, who said he had no admin power. The commander, claimed they had admin, but was part of the problem anyway, and took no action. I looked up their player list, and these 3-4 people, were the only ones who didn't match up to their steam names. One of them, presumably the commander, was "All-in | xorex", and "eh?" whom I also have played with many times. Regardless of who they each were, I do know that they were regulars, and one even a member of All-in. This kind of nonsense simply ruins the game for 14-16 other people who were just there to play fair. I find it absurd that their own members are griefing their server. I think the only thing the community can do to solve an issue like this, is to boycott their servers until they get their people under control. There are plenty of other servers, some even physically located in the same place, that have better control of the people associated with them. Please join me in this protest of these jerks and others like them.
What is boils down to is this. Playing All-in #1 today, as it was the only populated US server, as per usual. Couple of maps go by, great fun, no jerks or anything. Then a the map loads and a few people with obvious fake-nicks roll in (NSPlayer, derp, etc), these players not only have PAX tags, which is weird, but they don't use voice chat at all. They started glitching, as a collective effort, the commander too. Building phase gates outside of the map, rolling around killing hives that way, not to mention completely ignoring the requests from both the aliens and their own teammates that just want a fun and honest game. One All-in player was there, Persian, who said he had no admin power. The commander, claimed they had admin, but was part of the problem anyway, and took no action. I looked up their player list, and these 3-4 people, were the only ones who didn't match up to their steam names. One of them, presumably the commander, was "All-in | xorex", and "eh?" whom I also have played with many times. Regardless of who they each were, I do know that they were regulars, and one even a member of All-in. This kind of nonsense simply ruins the game for 14-16 other people who were just there to play fair. I find it absurd that their own members are griefing their server. I think the only thing the community can do to solve an issue like this, is to boycott their servers until they get their people under control. There are plenty of other servers, some even physically located in the same place, that have better control of the people associated with them. Please join me in this protest of these jerks and others like them.
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At least I haven't had such negative experiences on their servers. Good luck in the future.
You have been accused of exploiting, yet this is your response? Try to save some face and actually address the issue. In case you haven't noticed it's a little difficult for the alien team to eject the marine commander.
I would say this was an isolated event based off my experiences on their servers. Not that I am going to actively change your mind, but I think a "boycott" is excessive. Its like boycotting a mall because there were some rowdy teenagers there ONE time.
At least I haven't had such negative experiences on their servers. Good luck in the future.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Let me be perfectly clear here. I have absolutely no issue with All-in as a clan, nor do I have any problems with the players that were not present for this game. I have no reason to bash anyone, it would not benefit me one bit. I appreciate your attempt to bolster their reputation, but it is not at risk here, unless of course they reply with something that would do that to themselves.
Also, it is physically impossible for me to provide proof of those players identities. They are not, and at this point will not, be on my friends list. I used steams "Player List" to show current game players, and through deduction, found that the names that were in the server and the names on that list, had only a few differences, and those players were the glitching people, of which one of them was xorex, an All-in member. I only recognize one other player, "eh?" who has posted on Team156 forums about glitching players, which makes it all that much more ridiculous. A few other marines ran around outside the map too, but they were communicating with the server about it and I did not see them actually do anything but stand around. The people that were actively griefing, were obviously doing so under intentional concealment, which again, was revealed by the steam player list. To further support my suspicions, I informed them that I was going to post it on the forums, as did other players. And sure enough, both xorex and eh? were browsing my topic within a minute of me posting it (as shown at the bottom of the forums). This stuff isn't about their clan, its about those few that are actively ruining fun for other people. It just so happens that xorex was indeed one of them, nothing will change my mind about that, but sadly, unless people recognize his fake-nick, I cannot provide proof. Lapras was the name I suspected to be xorex, after he said that he "has admin" anyway. I do have screenshots of the player list however, to show the names of those who were in game and of the location of the phase gate used to get out of the map.
<!--quoteo(post=1928950:date=Apr 23 2012, 04:56 PM:name=Sampson)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sampson @ Apr 23 2012, 04:56 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1928950"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->This is going to be locked. You've been told before that you need to PM Jucci or post something on their website (if they have one, not sure). They run the server. If people don't like it they won't join. There are other US servers that you can quickly seed. Contact them, don't randomly post this on a forum meant for discussion about the game. Not someone's server. Sorry that it happened though.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have no intentions of being quiet about an issue that affects many players, most unable or unwilling to do anything about it. All-in does not have a listed website.
All-In | JuCCi - team leader and founder.
Originally I wanted to rally for the key associated with their steam ID to be revoked (as occurs when cheating or exploiting in any other game), but at the time I thought they were just randoms ruining the game. I suppose that if its their server, its their rules.
" All-In | JuCCi
-- Servers --
All-In **NOOB's Learn here!**
All-In or go home! #1 | Chicago
All-In or go home! #2 | Chicago
** Any issues with people or server on our servers please message me**
Steam - jucci_pucci "
In my opinion, if its a server issue, take it up with the server admin, if its a player issue, take it up with the community.
This was either a player issue, or (what we thought was) a server admin issue. In either case, taking it up with server administration was not the correct approach.
This was either a player issue, or (what we thought was) a server admin issue. In either case, taking it up with server administration was not the correct approach.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If it's a server issue, you should take it up with the server owner. If it's a player issue, you should take it up with the player (or whoever is responsible for them if that fails). If it's a community issue, you should take it up with the community.
Your first line of inquiry should be the people closest to the affected problem; posting your dirty laundry in public just causes the grime to leak into everything else.
Your first line of inquiry should be the people closest to the affected problem; posting your dirty laundry in public just causes the grime to leak into everything else.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So I must ask an exploiter why he is exploiting? And ask him to stop playing if he continues to exploit? Well... I guess that sounds logical. Just to confirm, if this approach fails, who should we then take the matter up with? The parents?
<!--quoteo(post=1928963:date=Apr 23 2012, 05:12 PM:name=Techercizer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Techercizer @ Apr 23 2012, 05:12 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1928963"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->This really was a very unprofessional thing to do. The appropriate procedure for server-related grievances is always to contract the owners of the server in a PM or Steam; yelling about it in public on the forums just starts arguments, causes problems, and muddles the issue with finger-pointing and ass-covering. I understand you had a negative experience, OP, and I sympathize with your desire to get it resolved and to prevent it from happening again; contacting Jucci would have been an easier, more civil, and more expedient method of resolution though.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
First off, I don't care if it is "unprofessional" as you say, it is a game and I do not compete professionally. Also, there is no appropriate procedure. You are suggesting I save face for a group of people intentionally ruining fun for others, and deal with it in private, that doesn't exactly help in bringing the identities of these people to the public that is affected. I am not looking for them to be banned from All-in servers. I want people to watch them, judge them, and ban them if necessary from every server. These people RUIN games and turn away players, it is without argument, a community issue. I assure you, it will happen again.
If the exploiter just doesn't care, you should go to the next person down who has responsibility for him. In general, I would say the responsibility of players actions goes as such
- The player himself is always the most responsible
- Followed by his clan leader, captain, or any organization that has taken responsibility for him
- Followed by the admins of the server who have a responsibility to police their players
- Followed by the owner of the server who has a responsibility to maintain any servers he ranks as public
- Followed by the community in general who has a sort of weak "herd" responsibility to stop asinine behavior because one person acting poorly can reflect poorly on all of us.
Though honestly, if both the server and admins tell you they can't be bothered to deal with it, I'd go find a server that cared more about its players problems. If you've talked to all of those people though, and they've all blown you off or refused to try and help, you're about as close to justified in coming onto the forums and complaining as you'll ever be, though the forums are still officially supposed to be a neutral public place.
I have no intentions of being quiet about an issue that affects many players, most unable or unwilling to do anything about it. All-in does not have a listed website.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
ROFL calm down there. I was smurfing as NSplayer in there, not Lapras. I went through a phasegate and fell through to the bottom of tram at which point I flew around for about 5 minutes before your lerks bile bombed our command chair. I didn't grief anyone, all I was doing was laughing my ass off because I was on the bottom of the map. At no point were you guys at risk of losing that game. If anything I apologize to my team for not helping them turtle up in one room I guess? The phasegate was sold, our commander was ejected, and you guys won 5 minutes after that happened.
It's just like when we found the summit vent glitch in build 204, it was just hilarious to do for a round and then we reported it. I promise you we don't go around exploiting and griefing people. I didn't kill anyone, or even shoot anything. Here's some pictures of my adventure and as you can see I'm no where near the map in range to shoot people. I wouldn't even have enough jetpack fuel to get back up there if I wanted to.
<a href="http://i.imgur.com/hpXmx.jpg" target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/hpXmx.jpg</a>
<a href="http://i.imgur.com/m1IoK.jpg" target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/m1IoK.jpg</a>
<a href="http://i.imgur.com/sWeec.jpg" target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/sWeec.jpg</a>
Imo, its sort of a community issue. Your OP looks like you are calling it an All-In issue. If you see someone griefing across multiple servers, sure I guess, post it for the community so we are aware I guess. If you see it on one server, tell an admin. Its not like there is a community wide ban system for griefers, that stuff is handled by individual servers and admins. Though I suppose there could be a common ban list that a lot of servers could adopt, if that is what you are advocating...?
Though, with any luck, most of the griefing methods will get fixed by a UWE when the game is released.
In the end, you can't fix stupid. You can't fix stupid people. But should the opportunity arise, you can hit stupid people in the balls with the banhammer.
The main offender that I encountered was smurfing as "Derp", and if indeed it was not an All In player, and was a random rogue player, then I think that whoever recorded the steam ID should give it to someone in the correct position to have the NS2 key revoked. But that's just my opinion, maybe I'm just being too harsh. I wish there was a way to get a general consensus on the matter. Like some sort of forum we could post on and explain the situation to other community members.
I did PM Jucci, this is the reply I got.
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There you have it. Confirmation good enough for me. I am sorry if this seemed like an attempt to flame people, but in reality it was plea to the community to let these people know this is unacceptable. I will not be playing on All-in servers, guess that just means less game time for me. This is why we can't have nice things. :( Good day.
side note: Sorry to repost your reply Jucci, but that line about giving him the go ahead to exploit, regardless of the conditions, is enough to keep me away from the servers he has admin rights on. And other people need to see that.
As for this obviously not ending well, that's what we've been trying to tell you since the moment you made this thread.
My shotgun clip looks pretty full in that ss bro.
I think at this point he just wants something to take out all this rage he's built up on.