New PC Build: i5 2500k or FX-8150?
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<div class="IPBDescription">Post your NS2 benchmarks, and help me decide.</div><!--sizeo:4--><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo--><!--coloro:#FFFF00--><span style="color:#FFFF00"><!--/coloro--><b>UPDATE: Thank you to everyone for all your input.
I just submitted my order on Newegg. I went a little crazy and ordered an i7 2600k. I know I'll be satisfied with this choice.
Again, thank you for all your input!
Cheers,
Cody</b><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->
Hey everyone,
I'm building a new gaming rig next month, because I can't stand 20 FPS on "Ridiculously Awful" anymore with my AMD 5000+ Dual Core. Does anyone have benchmarks for NS2 using either an i5 2500k or an FX-8150?
Here's some other info on my build:
GPU: Geforce GTX 480 1.5GB
HDD: 120GB Mushkin Chronos SSD
RAM: 8GB DDR3 1600 G.Skill Ripjaws X
PSU: 850 Watt Continuous
OS: Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit
What kind of FPS can I expect with this new build? What are your benchmarks and PC specs? I'd really love to see some FX-8150 benchmarks on NS2. Anyone have this chip?
Cheers,
Cody
I just submitted my order on Newegg. I went a little crazy and ordered an i7 2600k. I know I'll be satisfied with this choice.
Again, thank you for all your input!
Cheers,
Cody</b><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->
Hey everyone,
I'm building a new gaming rig next month, because I can't stand 20 FPS on "Ridiculously Awful" anymore with my AMD 5000+ Dual Core. Does anyone have benchmarks for NS2 using either an i5 2500k or an FX-8150?
Here's some other info on my build:
GPU: Geforce GTX 480 1.5GB
HDD: 120GB Mushkin Chronos SSD
RAM: 8GB DDR3 1600 G.Skill Ripjaws X
PSU: 850 Watt Continuous
OS: Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit
What kind of FPS can I expect with this new build? What are your benchmarks and PC specs? I'd really love to see some FX-8150 benchmarks on NS2. Anyone have this chip?
Cheers,
Cody
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That's good to hear. Any idea what kind of FPS you're getting on average? (Just curious about the numbers.)
Does NS2 make use of the i7's ability to hyperthread? I can't really afford $300 right now for a 2600k. I might save up if I know that NS2 will favor an i7 over an i5, though.
Cheers,
Cody
Simiarily, hyperthreading won't really give you benefits.
Also, make sure people tell their FPS in diffrent situation, eg gamestart, 6v6 on a full map, 8v8 on a full map (onos, jp, infestation everywhere etc).... and don't just say "it runs fine"
Does NS2 make use of the i7's ability to hyperthread? I can't really afford $300 right now for a 2600k. I might save up if I know that NS2 will favor an i7 over an i5, though.
Cheers,
Cody<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
in worst case situations, 30-40 fps range (or lower if it's something absolutely ridiculous like structure spam). otherwise, around the 50-60 fps range on a 16 player server.
2500k works just as well as the 2600k as far as gaming purposes go. and no, games don't make use of hyperthreading. the only difference between the two gaming wise is the 2600k has a little more raw power in it's cores.
(Edit: i7 2600k @ 4,5ghz here, Noctua NH-U9B SE2 as a cooler)
Run mine on 4.5 ghz with NH-D14 cooler,
If not, get: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161411" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814161411</a> or <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150608" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814150608</a>
Word of the wise, you always want your GPU to exhaust hot hair out of the case, instead of leaving it in the case. You can tell if this happens by how the cooling system is designed.
<!--quoteo(post=1938852:date=May 25 2012, 07:10 AM:name=Obraxis)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Obraxis @ May 25 2012, 07:10 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1938852"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Speaking personally here, I see more graphical issues with NS2 with AMD/ATi chips than I do with Nvidia.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Also the case you are using is important as well if you are building a gaming rig. What Motherboard do you have in mind? Whats your budget for the entire rig?
One more thing. 650w is plenty. 850w isnt needed even with a big OC. Just be sure its 80 plus certified. Here is an example of a really good PSU on a budget. This one is modular so its slightly more expensive :
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139031" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16817139031</a>
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Everything everyone else is telling you is pretty much spot-on, except for the power supply thing. Overcompensate, get a bigger PSU than you think you will need, even for upgrades. Most people, even with the plentiful internet calculators, seem to misunderstand the nature of the power requirements that most systems have. A surprising amount of the problems that are posted in forums across the internet related to game/application/driver crashes are related to that computer not having enough continuous available power.
In the end, get an 850 W "overkill" PSU and don't look back. Modular is definitely the way to go, and I would also highly recommend an <i>Active PFC</i> power supply. Pair it with a sufficient (and active PFC compatible) UPS of at least 1500 VA and your system should run for over a decade.
<b><u>Graphics Card</u></b>
Is there some reason you're going with a GTX 4xx instead of the 5 series? The main reason I would advocate getting the 5 series over the 4 is that they are immensely cooler and quieter and have some decent performance gains as well. It's a whole step up, and the difference will amount to a noticeably lower ambient case temperature.
<b><u>Operating System</u></b>
Don't bother with Windows 7 Professional; instead get Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit.
<a href="http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/AMD-FX-8150-vs-Core-i5-2500K-and-Core-i7-2600K-CPU-Review/1402" target="_blank">http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/AMD...CPU-Review/1402</a>
Probably had Hyper Threading on for the i7, it can cause performance issues in some cases (for certain games). If you turn it off, the i7 will perform slightly faster in those games. But yeah the added benefit of the i7-2600K's hyper threading option does make it nicer for multi threading stuff. That is if you need it for such things, otherwise the i5-2500K be more then enough :)
Oh, and everything is already purchased except the mobo and the CPU, so I appreciate the suggestions, but I've already decided on GPU, RAM, PSU, OS, etc.
If anyone is interested, here are a few notes on why I chose what I did for this build:
- I get Windows 7 Professional 64 bit free from the university I attend, that is why I'm not bothering with ultimate. (Can't beat free.)
- The GTX 480 was on sale for $250. At the time (a few months ago) the 5xx series was around $300+. I couldn't afford it. However, I think the 480 is a great card. It has more onboard memory than a GTX 570, and should perform similarily. The only cons (as mentioned) are the heat that it produces, and therefore the fan speed required to keep it cool (producing noise). These don't bother me. I am a little sad that I could get a 570 for about $260 right now on Newegg, but oh well. I've already bought the card, and I am happy with it. (Theoretical comparison between a 480 and a 570: <a href="http://www.hwcompare.com/9000/geforce-gtx-480-vs-geforce-gtx-570)" target="_blank">http://www.hwcompare.com/9000/geforce-gtx-...force-gtx-570)</a>
- I went with a semi-modular 850w PSU, because I want to run two IDE HDDs as well as my SSD, and have enough room to overclock and perhaps run GPUs in SLI in the future. The GTX 480 is extremely power hungry (requiring 250 watts all by itself). Plus, I hadn't settled on the 2500k or the FX-8150. The 8150 is power hungry, and I wanted to be sure that I had enough power to run and even overclock it). I got a good deal on the PSU, and am very happy with it so far.
- I also have a Hyper 212+ ready and waiting for my shiny new CPU. Say, "hello!" 4.5 Ghz.
Cheers,
Cody
On average my phenom II 955 gets the same frame-rate as DJPenguin at the moment; it might have something to do with mine being overclocked to high-hell but I'm hoping to see further optimization.
What's the manufacturer on that Power Supply? I have myself a used Corsair and they works wonders (Worked wonders and was about $40 less than going for brand-new :>)
P8Z68 DELUXE/GEN3 is ready for Ivy as well if you want to upgrade to that lateron (not really worth it though --> Ivy that is!)
<b><!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->DO NOT GET ASROCK OR MSI!!!<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--></b> they are quite bad quality and are known to either burn or simply stop working after a year. There should be a law against such shoddy products!
As far as a mobo goes I would say that there are many solid boards out there. I would <u>personally</u> reccomend an Asrock Extreme 3 Gen 3 board. Good price and makes OCing that i5 a breeze. Ive had good experience with Asrock. ASrock also has some useful utilities like XFast RAM and XFast USB. Both of which are nice. While not an ASrock utility you can make use of Lucid VITRU MVP(link below). Here is a link to the Mobo:
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157271&Tpk=extreme3%20gen3" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...extreme3%20gen3</a>
VIRTU:
<a href="http://www.lucidlogix.com/product-virtu-mvp.html" target="_blank">http://www.lucidlogix.com/product-virtu-mvp.html</a>
And some useful info about it and how to get it setup on a z68 board:
<a href="http://www.overclock.net/t/1254204/lucid-virtu-mvp-full-version" target="_blank">http://www.overclock.net/t/1254204/lucid-v...vp-full-version</a>
The extreme3 Gen3 has all the features you really need for a gaming rig. Only 2 SATA 3 ports though but it sounds like you only have a single SSD so not an issue. You can park 2 cards in this board if you decide to SLI at some point in the future.
Having an Asus Deluxe myself, i advise the OP to stay away from it. Granted it's been a year since it was released but when i bought mine back then, there were/are huge problems with it. Mine in particular is inflicted with a cold boot problem ie. turn on PC, starts up for a few seconds, shuts off on it's own, starts back up again on it's own a few seconds later etc. up to 3 times on rare occasions. Some others have it much worse. Shouldn't the Asus Pro do him just fine? i heard that one runs pretty well.
Oh and I have a 470gtx and never once regretted getting it. I play NS2 on my 4 year old system just fine and we are talking 25-40fps...even with my q9300 cpu. =]
P8Z68 DELUXE/GEN3 is ready for Ivy as well if you want to upgrade to that lateron (not really worth it though --> Ivy that is!)
<b><!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->DO NOT GET ASROCK OR MSI!!!<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--></b> they are quite bad quality and are known to either burn or simply stop working after a year. There should be a law against such shoddy products!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Asrock makes great motherboards
they used to be a budget brand under asus but now they are their own thing and still make a great product
MSI also makes great boards
With that being said
I would run a 2500k
Get a hyper 212+ cooler
run it at 4.5ghz
I run a 990x overclocked on water and get 90+fps for most of the game late game drops to 70fps
this is on max setting 1920x1080 16x forced AA in the nvidia control panel
GPUs are SLI gtx590s
I have seen sudden dips into the low 20s at times for maybe 1 second
The game is not as threaded as they would like it to be but this is the case for just about every game out there.
They are working on it all the time but with such a small team it is quite hard I would imagine
Overclocked to what? I wish I had 90fps...
i5-2500k is pretty good too, 2600k is just better. I'd rather get the 6 core :)
<!--quoteo(post=1938927:date=May 25 2012, 03:31 PM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kouji_San @ May 25 2012, 03:31 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1938927"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Get an ASUS mobo btw, preferably a DELUXE edition, those are the best you can get (price/value/performance/reliability)
P8Z68 DELUXE/GEN3 is ready for Ivy as well if you want to upgrade to that lateron (not really worth it though --> Ivy that is!)
<b><!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->DO NOT GET ASROCK OR MSI!!!<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--></b> they are quite bad quality and are known to either burn or simply stop working after a year. There should be a law against such shoddy products!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I like MSI, they have great MOBOs too. I use them, nothing wrong has happened.
Indeed; I got a cheap 870-G45 under $75 and it has worked fine for the past 16 months (even has working Crossfire support.) The newer MSI-mobos are lookin' pretty awesome.
Meh. I like AMD a lot. I'd very much like to go with an FX-8150 for this build... who knows, I still may. The problem is, I see a lot of real world benchmarks that put the 2500k well over the FX-8150. At the same time, certain reviews show the FX-8150 and the i5 2500k neck and neck. example: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kd4dvLJQP4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kd4dvLJQP4</a>
I don't suppose anyone actually runs an FX-8150 that plays NS2 on these boards, do they? I'd love to hear a personal testimony.
Another reason I lean toward the FX-8150 is that the 990FX motherboard platform is stronger than the z77, etc. The 990fx board I'm looking at does not have SATA II ports. Every port on the mobo is SATA III. The z77 usually has 2 SATA III ports, and the rest are SATA II. This isn't a real issue for me right now, but the 990fx seems to be ahead of the game on this one. Also, the 990fx can have 2 or even three PCI express ports running at 16x. The intel boards I've seen usually have one at 16x and two at 8x, or something like that. Again, I think the 990fx platform is better for future expandability because of this - even though I am not planning on running an SLI configuration right now.
Just my $0.02
Cheers,
Cody
I'm running an AMD 3.7 Ghz Deneb Phenom II and get 30-60 FPS on Build 208. AMD chips are extremely powerful and in terms of performance per dollar are cheaper than their Intel counterparts. They generally cannot achieve the same maximum performance as Intel processors due to the fact that Intel's down to 32nm and has HyperThreading.