NS1 with good graphics
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Join Date: 2012-03-17 Member: 148908Banned
Join Date: 2012-03-17 Member: 148908Banned
<div class="IPBDescription">Why not?</div>Gorge has bile bomb, Lerk has bite, marines have a full grenade launcher instead of the attachment.
NS1 wasn't sold as a game, so why not just sell it as a game with this new engine? Sure, I like some changes with NS2. I like the IDEA of the alien commander. But it has never felt quite right in actual gameplay because the gorge is less enjoyable. If you get it to work and feel good, great. I love it. But it feels forced right now.
Also comm station fixing will always suck for those who played NS1, but I have already posted about that.
It looks like gameplay is heading towards NS1 and I hope that continues while still maintaining a FEW of the current aspects of NS2. As it stands right now, the power node/onos issue still exists but people are not all going onos right now because they want to try the new Lerk. Nothing stops a team from getting 10 onos in the first 12 minutes.
NS1 wasn't sold as a game, so why not just sell it as a game with this new engine? Sure, I like some changes with NS2. I like the IDEA of the alien commander. But it has never felt quite right in actual gameplay because the gorge is less enjoyable. If you get it to work and feel good, great. I love it. But it feels forced right now.
Also comm station fixing will always suck for those who played NS1, but I have already posted about that.
It looks like gameplay is heading towards NS1 and I hope that continues while still maintaining a FEW of the current aspects of NS2. As it stands right now, the power node/onos issue still exists but people are not all going onos right now because they want to try the new Lerk. Nothing stops a team from getting 10 onos in the first 12 minutes.
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I say screw that, NS2 still has new elements, and UWE should get paid anyway as good as NS1 was. If something is tried and true and working from NS1 - why the f*ck not include it in NS2?!!!
That said, I'm eagerly waiting for NS1:Spark! ;)
You cannot be accused of selling the same game if you never sold the game to begin with. Just make it with the new engine and sell it. Seems like an easy way to make money for NS1, and then make NS2 the way they are doing now.
Again, NS1 was not a formal game sold to people, so the idea that NS2 is a sequel in a business sense of the word is sort of dumb. No one is accusing UWE of not changing the gameplay like the do of Call of Duty, so I don't see the problem.
NS1 was a half-life modification. It was the best one, but it was still just that. It was good enough to be sold as its own game.
I think we need to give the devs credit for trying new things in the first place, and then having to guts to return on their steps if it ended up not working the way they hoped. Yes, they could have just gone with NS 1: Spark, but that wouldn't be nearly as exciting as actually trying to improve upon an already amazing game. NS 2 is nudging closer to NS 1 on some fronts, which is a good thing, but it's still quite different overall. I think it goes without saying that NS 2 will remain NS 2, and some of the additions/improvements they have made are actually working out quite alright, while others simply need tweaking.
NS1 was a half-life modification. It was the best one, but it was still just that. It was good enough to be sold as its own game.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So what do you want UWE to do exactly? Finish NS2, then move on to creating an NS1-port on Spark? NS2 only needs (relatively) slight modifications to be turned into NS1, they would basically be selling the same product twice. Besides, there already is an NS1:Spark floating about the forums.
^this
I'm animating for a 2D fighter at the moment and I can't stand redrawing a single frame, much less redoing an entire character in a prettier engine/resolution while trying to translate ALL the numbers into said new engine to make the gameplay feel just right.
Let NS2 be NS2, and join/help out the NS1: Spark mod if you'd really like to try NS1 all prettified.
Yep. I'm a software developer, not a game developer, but its incredibly boring to work on the same product twice without any new ideas. I expect thats even more the case in video games, since its much more of a creative process.
When you go back to something, you always want to do all the ideas you thought might be cool but couldn't afford or implement before. UWE have done alot of toying around - some mechanics from NS1 have turned out right, some new ones have turned out for the better.
NS1 wasn't sold as a game, so why not just sell it as a game with this new engine? Sure, I like some changes with NS2. I like the IDEA of the alien commander. But it has never felt quite right in actual gameplay because the gorge is less enjoyable. If you get it to work and feel good, great. I love it. But it feels forced right now.
Also comm station fixing will always suck for those who played NS1, but I have already posted about that.
It looks like gameplay is heading towards NS1 and I hope that continues while still maintaining a FEW of the current aspects of NS2. As it stands right now, the power node/onos issue still exists but people are not all going onos right now because they want to try the new Lerk. Nothing stops a team from getting 10 onos in the first 12 minutes.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm hoping that they will make it much similar to NS1.
NS1 IS THE MOST AMAZING GAME EVER
<!--quoteo(post=1895163:date=Jan 17 2012, 06:25 PM:name=Flayra)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Flayra @ Jan 17 2012, 06:25 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1895163"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I really don't like the format of your video here, especially with all the swearing and rudeness. But a few points:
- We haven't announced any release date, so I'm not sure where you're getting that. Stop telling people when you think we're going to release and pretending it's fact.
- This sounds like similar griping that was heard between TF and TF2. As a player I'm sure you feel threatened when we try new things, but if we had to make the same game over and over, then we would go work on Madden and there would be no more NS-anything.
- Most of the balance data is identical to NS1. Check balance.txt and Balance.lua and BalanceHealth.lua to see for yourself. I changed the resource model because it wasn't thought through at all when I started NS1 and isn't anything good to build on top of. We're not making an RTS, we're making an FPS that has RTS elements. There were some big problems with the resource model in NS1 which led to the game being unbalanced at every size game instead of 6v6. I considered the resource model in NS1 to be pretty flawed.
- The Alien Commander isn't properly implemented yet so please don't evaluate it yet.
- We agree with structure vs. structure play and we're working on it. You'll see a big improvement shortly with Lerk spores "confusing" sentries, which allow aliens working together to defeat sentries.
- We are not EA. We're don't have oodles of cash to work on the most technically perfect, gameplay-identical sequel which we will then released with a big marketing campaign to players who want "more of the same". We wanted to continue our tradition of NS1 where we co-develop our game with the community, taking feedback as we go, when we actually have time to take it into account and rework whole systems.
It sounds to me like you just want NS1 - well congratulations, it's available for free RIGHT NOW. We're not interested in re-making the same game and I don't think most of you want us to do the same. It sounds like NS2 (and perhaps any kind of change) is not for you.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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