Question Regarding Commander
CaptainFlaccid
Join Date: 2012-06-23 Member: 153567Members
Join Date: 2012-06-23 Member: 153567Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Possible abuse</div>I'm new to this game as of today and I already feel as though I've been shafted in some way.
I was attempting to learn how to play as a commander and some players simply deemed me unfit and somehow booted me out of the commander thing. A guy walked right in and took over, causing me to die inside the structure.
I need to know if this is some kind of admin abuse, a feature of the game, some kind of vote... or what?
If this is admin abuse, I give it a pass. But if this is a feature, then something needs to be done to prevent this.
I was attempting to learn the interface and didn't get to spend more than 5 minutes in there before I was kicked out. I consider this unacceptable.
Any elaboration on this would be helpful. And, no, elitist remarks like, "You should learn how to play Commander before you try playing commander" won't appeal to me. Learning the game inside the game is the best and only way I would prefer to learn, even if it aggravates others. You can't learn the game unless you play it.
I was attempting to learn how to play as a commander and some players simply deemed me unfit and somehow booted me out of the commander thing. A guy walked right in and took over, causing me to die inside the structure.
I need to know if this is some kind of admin abuse, a feature of the game, some kind of vote... or what?
If this is admin abuse, I give it a pass. But if this is a feature, then something needs to be done to prevent this.
I was attempting to learn the interface and didn't get to spend more than 5 minutes in there before I was kicked out. I consider this unacceptable.
Any elaboration on this would be helpful. And, no, elitist remarks like, "You should learn how to play Commander before you try playing commander" won't appeal to me. Learning the game inside the game is the best and only way I would prefer to learn, even if it aggravates others. You can't learn the game unless you play it.
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I would recommend to try joining the All-In Noobs learn here server, plenty of new players there, should be able to learn in peace.
If you don't do either of those, people will feel like you are wasting their time when you do stupid stuff and will boot you out of chair.
If you don't do either of those, people will feel like you are wasting their time when you do stupid stuff and will boot you out of chair.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
this
plus this: <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showtopic=119041" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/in...howtopic=119041</a>
I highly recommend practicing in a lan game with the basics before jumping into a public game. Its real easy, just:
Create a game with lan mark button checked.
hit the ~ key for the console and type
cheats 1
autobuild
tres
pressing enter after each one.
Then jump in the comm chair and play around with structures and setups. The command autobuild obviously makes it so the structures dont require any marine to build, and tres gives you enough resources to purchase and research whatever you want - these are the only two real differences between a practice game and a public game. (besides the notifications of "Need a medpack" that you get on the right side of your screen from your players, which you can click and will take you directly there to them.) you should play around with it all extensively until you feel comfortable, to include dropping ammo and medpacks, and researching stuff.. then jump in a game and tell people you are new.
Goodluck!
You can learn these things outside of the com-chair.
I got tips and played a game. Of course I didn't win but I now have a pretty good understanding of the buildings and procedures. Still, I had someone holding my hand all the way through it so don't expect me to emulate a perfect recreation of everything I did.
Also, the 10 year old who responded in this thread (you know who you are): Grow up. lol
I got tips and played a game. Of course I didn't win but I now have a pretty good understanding of the buildings and procedures. Still, I had someone holding my hand all the way through it so don't expect me to emulate a perfect recreation of everything I did.
Also, the 10 year old who responded in this thread (you know who you are): Grow up. lol<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Congrats. Alot of the commanders role is leadership rather than simply command. A mic goes alot towards this. I'm not a very good comm either, and yes I find that simply talking over mic makes people far more positive towards me.
I got tips and played a game. Of course I didn't win but I now have a pretty good understanding of the buildings and procedures. Still, I had someone holding my hand all the way through it so don't expect me to emulate a perfect recreation of everything I did.
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Also, the 10 year old who responded in this thread (you know who you are): Grow up. lol</b><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Your attitude is just appalling, would of ejected you as well.
They need a way to lock people out from the com-chair who just bought the game that same morning(e.g atleast played 10 games etc)....theres alot about the mechanics of this game that <b>CAN BE LEARNED OUTSIDE OF THE COM CHAIR</b>.
Agreed. I don't mean to be anti-newbie in any way and would gladly help new players who want to learn comm, but there are two sides to the coin. New commanders who talk down to their team, make hitleresque strategic demands, and spend 5 minutes fiddling with the UI waste the time of 8 other players.
If everyone makes an attempt to fulfill everyones needs, everyone wins. The new player should take some time to learn the game beforehand and the rest of the players should give the new people some space to learn.
That can all be done by yourself. There is no reason you have to waste 15 other player's time while you learn that you have to build cysts in order to build RTs.
After you have the very basics down, then hope in the comm chair in public games. Let people know that you're new and ask what people want ("Hey guys, shotguns or mines now?" or "Hey, weapons 2 or phase gates?"). This will usually discourage people from kicking you out because they can help you.
At the end of this, if you still get kicked out, then try to look at what you did wrong. It's unlikely that people are kicking you out because they're trolling you. More likely is that they want to play a game with a minimum level of competitiveness. You can't compete if your comm is going robo first and doesn't know how to drop RTs. If you get kicked out, then evaluate what you did wrong before complaining about it.
That can all be done by yourself. There is no reason you have to waste 15 other player's time while you learn that you have to build cysts in order to build RTs.
After you have the very basics down, then hope in the comm chair in public games. Let people know that you're new and ask what people want ("Hey guys, shotguns or mines now?" or "Hey, weapons 2 or phase gates?"). This will usually discourage people from kicking you out because they can help you.
At the end of this, if you still get kicked out, then try to look at what you did wrong. It's unlikely that people are kicking you out because they're trolling you. More likely is that they want to play a game with a minimum level of competitiveness. You can't compete if your comm is going robo first and doesn't know how to drop RTs. If you get kicked out, then evaluate what you did wrong before complaining about it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You missed this.
<!--quoteo(post=1946010:date=Jun 22 2012, 09:33 PM:name=CaptainFlaccid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CaptainFlaccid @ Jun 22 2012, 09:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1946010"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And, no, elitist remarks like, "You should learn how to play Commander before you try playing commander" won't appeal to me. Learning the game inside the game is the best and only way I would prefer to learn, even if it aggravates others. You can't learn the game unless you play it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
CaptainFlaccid, it's not elitist to ask that a player be versed in basic gameplay tasks when taking on the role of a commander in the game, as the commander has to be able to lead, respond, and help build their base & team. If you are not knowledgeable in these areas, it is reasonable to think that these skills should be learned either offline, or online with full disclosure to your team.
<!--quoteo(post=1946032:date=Jun 23 2012, 09:57 AM:name=CaptainFlaccid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CaptainFlaccid @ Jun 23 2012, 09:57 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1946032"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I played another but this time I told everyone beforehand that I am new to the game over microphone. It seems like microphone chatting provokes better responses, it keeps all of the trolls and morons at their keyboards where they belong.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Firstly, it's good that you did talk to your team and explain your situation in your next game. Joining a server such as All-In's noob friendly server will also help you learn the game. However, you are implying that the server was full of trolls and morons. This is in fact rare, players just want to know what's going on and how well their commander can lead them. It's not troll-like or being a moron to expect their leader to be able to lead and place the structures they need without experience disclosure.
<!--quoteo(post=1946032:date=Jun 23 2012, 09:57 AM:name=CaptainFlaccid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CaptainFlaccid @ Jun 23 2012, 09:57 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1946032"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Also, the 10 year old who responded in this thread (you know who you are): Grow up. lol<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is not a way to be liked on the forums. It shows that you are willing to stoop as low as the 'trolls' that you have played with. Take the higher ground and don't feed the trolls, you will only entice them to provoke you more.
Good luck with your NS2 games and welcome to the community :-)
P.S. i do agree with OP, as i also think the best way to learn a game is to be in it and play it, for better or worse. "training mode" would only help new players become familiar faster.
I didn't, but thanks for your concern!
No problem, I'm also concerned about your avatar, is that a dog or a cat?
I'm concerned over how you couldn't tell it was a dog.
@OP Like it's been said join the All-In NOOB server or try and find a low-populated server. They'll usually be nice enough to not care, though you may find some mean players or even clan-teams.
I pretty much played comm the second or third day of actually playing the game so there is some credit towards playing on that team before going commander; I just don't think the, 'Here; play alone with cheats to familiarize yourself' is a great tactic of learning anything. Another thing you might have to worry about is some big mechanic-switch for comanders (Like Drifters being completely wiped out of building to become... mobile-support structures.)
It helps to at least understand the placements of items and upgrades. Sure, it won't tell you when to build an arms lab, but at least you know where weapons 1 is.
On a side note, since no one seems to have mentioned it already (and its not obvious at first), Q, W, E, and R work as hotkeys for the tabs on the commander's menu. A-F and Z-V work as hotkeys for the two rows of selections under the current tab. E followed by S as a marine commander, for example, quickly selects medpacks to drop.
Sorry, but this has nothing to do with elitists. It's just the simple comparison of: Will you annoy 11+ people because you are not willing to learn the basics on an empty server? Should your fun really stand over the fun of 11+ other people? Or like Mr. Spock would say it: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
But anyway there will more people like him, when the game goes 1.0
We really really need a tutorial mission with simplest AI that will teach anyone the basics of commanding! Until you played this mission the com chair should not be useable. Or else we will see many people rage and maybe quit before they even had the chance to learn and enjoy this game.
I realize this is what gathers does...but I think such a system built into the game would help alot.
My self I want more new commanders to step up.
I want mistakes in the standard build order just to freshen the game....hey we aren't spamming ARCs....what are we doing?
The saddest thing is people running around with that 'COMMANDER NEEDED' flashing again and again and again.
Sometimes it takes forever for someone to just command...yet you pull the trigger so quickly on the eject button.
[NewDude] I'll command ...but i have never done it b4.
[OtherGuy] Votes for NewDude
[SomeWeasel] Votes for NewDude
[DeadlyFade] Votes for NewDude
[SometimesCommands] I'll help you...you better have a mic
[SometimesCommands] Votes for NewDude
I realize this is what gathers does...but I think such a system built into the game would help alot.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Absolutely. I've always felt that commanders should be selected before the match begins.
I can't wait for that implementation. It's just plain retarded as it is now imo.
They need a way to lock people out from the com-chair who just bought the game that same morning(e.g atleast played 10 games etc)....theres alot about the mechanics of this game that <b>CAN BE LEARNED OUTSIDE OF THE COM CHAIR</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This sounds familiar!
<a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showtopic=117689" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/in...howtopic=117689</a>
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Theoretically this could be tweaked such that you're not allowed to select option 1 unless you've played x number of games, to prevent people who have no idea how the game works from going comm.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Scratch all that, with manners and attitude like that I am hardly surprised you got kicked. It quite possibly served you right.