Natural Selection 2 News Update - NS2 Build 218 released

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    That was fast! Looking forward to seeing how the egg changes influence Kharaa spawning.
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  • sepalussepalus Join Date: 2012-09-05 Member: 157856Members
    Nice deal.
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  • SPASMadnessSPASMadness Join Date: 2012-08-30 Member: 156958Members
    I don't see anything about this : <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showtopic=120287&st=0" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/in...120287&st=0</a>
    I'll have to keep using the windowed mode I suppose. Good work for the rest of the build anyway, thanks you again for all those pre-order bonus, I've always dreamed about having your artworks in HD (any idea of when we will get it ?).
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  • MokonaMokona Join Date: 2012-08-06 Member: 154870Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    "No more girl screams"

    Awww :( That always made me laugh.
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  • ZekZek Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 7962Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    You guys could save a lot of time on the marine female model by just adding an option to turn the girl scream on/off.
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  • TimMcTimMc Join Date: 2012-02-06 Member: 143945Members
    edited September 2012
    I approve of every change, although I don't think the egg fix will improve wave spawning until the waves are increased from 3 to something proportional of team size.

    Also I don't think the MAC change will really prevent MAC spam, only makes it possible to combat 2-3 of them. 5+ is still going to be an issue. Edit: That said its still an improvement so thanks! :)
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  • nSidianSidia Join Date: 2012-08-15 Member: 155651Members
    I don't like these changes.

    "No more girl screams."
    "Fixed bug where aliens could upgrade the same hive type multiple times." (what if my crag hive is being hit and i want to start another...)

    why did you change these? just wondering
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  • RobustPenguinRobustPenguin Join Date: 2012-08-17 Member: 155719Members
    No real changes to lerks make me sad
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  • NeoRussiaNeoRussia Join Date: 2012-08-04 Member: 154743Members
    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Reduced marine total sprint distance and recovery time to make more intentional. Added "out of breath" sound effect when you run to exhaustion.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Honest plea I am begging on my knees here. Do not keep making marine movement even worse and even more boring. I hit my head on my desk hard enough when they nerfed jetpack energy but I cannot stand it anymore. PLEASE DON'T RUIN THIS GAME FOR PLAYERS WHO LOVE WHAT MADE THE ORIGINAL FUN, as in the old school mechanics. If iron sights are added next I am not sure what is going to happen to my sanity.
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  • IndustryIndustry Esteemed Gentleman Join Date: 2010-07-13 Member: 72344Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Supporter
    edited September 2012
    Sprint nerf was a long time coming. Glad to see it and thanks for the quick patch!


    <!--quoteo(post=1972362:date=Sep 5 2012, 06:01 PM:name=NeoRussia)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NeoRussia @ Sep 5 2012, 06:01 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1972362"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Honest plea I am begging on my knees here. Do not keep making marine movement even worse and even more boring. I hit my head on my desk hard enough when they nerfed jetpack energy but I cannot stand it anymore. PLEASE DON'T RUIN THIS GAME FOR PLAYERS WHO LOVE WHAT MADE THE ORIGINAL FUN, as in the old school mechanics. If iron sights are added next I am not sure what is going to happen to my sanity.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Sprint wasn't in NS1 (so don't think it can be called old school) and as it was in build 217 and before was an always press button with very little consequence to hit. Not fighting an alien? press the sprint button!
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  • rantologyrantology Join Date: 2012-02-05 Member: 143750Members, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold
    Good fixes, no more immortal alien buildings :P Alien spawn really needs to scale with player count though. The spawn rates will never be balanced if they are the same for a 14 player server as they are for a 24+ player server.

    Walljump feels interesting on first glance. Will need time to see how that works out... still needs a speed cap imo @ like 10 or 11 or something.
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  • BruteBrute Join Date: 2009-06-10 Member: 67778Members, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><ul><li>The Exo no longer tracks cloaked enemies on the UI</li></ul><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Is this a client-side change? Does it mean, the marines get information on cloaked aliens from the server? Regarding exploits, it would be best not to trust the client and simply not to send information like that.
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  • NeoRussiaNeoRussia Join Date: 2012-08-04 Member: 154743Members
    edited September 2012
    speed cap should be the obstacles on the map and the skulk's skill. You can't expect someone who is insanely good at walljumping to also dominate because he can kill everyone while doing it. If he can, then the marine needs to beat him in aim!!!!@!!@!!!!!!!!!!@!
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  • internetexplorerinternetexplorer Join Date: 2011-10-13 Member: 127255Members
    edited September 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=1972364:date=Sep 5 2012, 08:02 PM:name=Industry)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Industry @ Sep 5 2012, 08:02 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1972364"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Sprint wasn't in NS1 (so don't think it can be called old school) and as it was in build 217 and before was an always press button with very little consequence to hit. Not fighting an alien? press the sprint button!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    that's great nitpicking, but what he's referring to is "marine movement" in general, which is already lacking...and is made less effective by the sprint changes
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  • MOOtantMOOtant Join Date: 2010-06-25 Member: 72158Members
    Cyst shader has an error that compiler spews out.
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  • IndustryIndustry Esteemed Gentleman Join Date: 2010-07-13 Member: 72344Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Supporter
    edited September 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=1972375:date=Sep 5 2012, 06:11 PM:name=internetexplorer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (internetexplorer @ Sep 5 2012, 06:11 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1972375"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->that's great nitpicking, but what he's referring to is "marine movement" in general, which is already lacking...and is made less effective by the sprint changes<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Or you know we could fix in better ways and not band-aids like sprint. Such as more snappy response time when pressing any wasd key and make crouch jumping actually work.
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  • LichoLicho Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3858Members, NS1 Playtester
    I will miss the screaming, that was fun :)
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  • bLink`bLink` Join Date: 2012-02-18 Member: 146506Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    I gained fps! :D
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  • Navi491Navi491 Join Date: 2011-07-10 Member: 109557Members
    I keep crashing to desktop since i downloaded the latest build.

    I get a debug report, and it requires me to end task NS2 in order to actually get out of game and to my desktop.

    If i dont do that, game freezes.

    This did not happen in previous build at all. I have not updated any drivers.
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  • ShakerShaker Join Date: 2002-11-21 Member: 9582Members, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited September 2012
    I worry about alien buffs and marine nerfs. Aliens had the edge already.

    Here's hoping we see some sort of changes with khaamander egg purchasing...

    edit: omg my fps is amazing, what the
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  • ViVnetViVnet Join Date: 2004-05-27 Member: 28947Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    I also have had some crashing with this build (218). I wasn't able to see the error dialog, but I'll try to get the bug report if it happens again
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  • Onii-chanOnii-chan Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7164Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1972378:date=Sep 6 2012, 03:13 AM:name=Industry)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Industry @ Sep 6 2012, 03:13 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1972378"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Or you know we could fix in better ways and not band-aids like sprint. Such as more snappy response time when pressing any wasd key and make crouch jumping actually work.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Crouch jumping seems to work ok now, I can easily get in a lot of chest high vents on Tram that I couldn't before build 217.
    So either they changed all the vents or fixed jumping.
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  • PekermanPekerman Join Date: 2010-03-07 Member: 70876Members
    edited September 2012
    no more girl screams!? someone make a mod!!!
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  • nSidianSidia Join Date: 2012-08-15 Member: 155651Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1972367:date=Sep 5 2012, 04:05 PM:name=rantology)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rantology @ Sep 5 2012, 04:05 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1972367"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Good fixes, no more immortal alien buildings :P Alien spawn really needs to scale with player count though. The spawn rates will never be balanced if they are the same for a 14 player server as they are for a 24+ player server.

    Walljump feels interesting on first glance. Will need time to see how that works out... still needs a speed cap imo @ like 10 or 11 or something.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    i like 13
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  • hakenspithakenspit Join Date: 2010-11-26 Member: 75300Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1972417:date=Sep 6 2012, 11:58 AM:name=Pekerman)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pekerman @ Sep 6 2012, 11:58 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1972417"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->no more girl screams!? someone make a mod!!!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    +1
    The visuals when your fighitng as alien dont always give a clear indicator...found the screams helpful to know a marine was dead.
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  • dethovudethovu Join Date: 2009-06-23 Member: 67906Members
    Still patiently waiting for surround sound support. <i>cough</i> :)
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  • Onii-chanOnii-chan Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7164Members
    Make the girl screams only occur when a marine dies alone, like 50+ meters away from any other marine.
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  • CimCim Join Date: 2012-02-25 Member: 147403Members
    edited September 2012
    For whatever reason I feel motion sick almost instantly playing 218, that never happened before in NS2 (and almost never in any other title either). It also feels a bit like the screen is stretched out vertically compared to 217.

    I realize the change log says nothing about this but has the FOV changed or is it just me?

    Playing at 1680x1050, 16:10 ratio btw.
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  • IndustryIndustry Esteemed Gentleman Join Date: 2010-07-13 Member: 72344Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Supporter
    <!--quoteo(post=1972416:date=Sep 5 2012, 06:56 PM:name=Onii-chan)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Onii-chan @ Sep 5 2012, 06:56 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1972416"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Crouch jumping seems to work ok now, I can easily get in a lot of chest high vents on Tram that I couldn't before build 217.
    So either they changed all the vents or fixed jumping.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    That's good to hear, a lot of the problems have to do with the collison meshes on some of the props though and I don't think those have been adjusted yet.
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  • WorthyRivalWorthyRival Black Armor Division Join Date: 2006-11-07 Member: 58470Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    Disapointed girl screams are gone. From a game play point of view it indicated a kill via an audio queue especially when another team mate finishhed them off and I had no line of sight. It was also very funny.

    Personally the skulk needs more attention to detail for hit indicators. I can never tell what hits landed and the scream was a great indicator.
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