Rookie server for pro warmup?

dePARAdePARA Join Date: 2011-04-29 Member: 96321Members, Squad Five Blue
in NS2 General Discussion
Serveradmins can mark servers as "rookie-friendly". This is an cool feature, but: what does it exactly mean?
50-3 stats from arc-members for example are not really rookie-friendly. Maybe we should rename this feature in: "Pro teams warmup server"
Please, there enough servers right now and most clans have private servers for warmup.

Otherwise this tag is useless.
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  • BeelzebubBeelzebub Join Date: 2012-08-12 Member: 155506Members
    I think rookie friendly means more like.. helpful to new players i.e not yelling at or griefing new commanders, rather than new players only
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  • DuskDusk Join Date: 2011-06-24 Member: 106114Members, Constellation
    Yeah the word rookie is like a big bulls-eye. Even the most watchful admin could do anything about this.
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  • rantologyrantology Join Date: 2012-02-05 Member: 143750Members, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold
    If you want a true noobie server, then you as an admin will need to skill ban. :/ The game cannot do everything for you.
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  • BicsumBicsum Join Date: 2012-02-27 Member: 147596Members, Reinforced - Gold
    <!--quoteo(post=1980939:date=Sep 20 2012, 09:09 PM:name=rantology)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rantology @ Sep 20 2012, 09:09 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1980939"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If you want a true noobie server, then you as an admin will need to skill ban. :/ The game cannot do everything for you.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    How should we do that?

    Spectate the whole time? Play on there with a handicap?
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  • [AwE]Sentinel[AwE]Sentinel Join Date: 2012-06-05 Member: 152949Members
    That means server number 3 is now taboo for me? :P
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  • YuukiYuuki Join Date: 2010-11-20 Member: 75079Members
    I think it's up to you to define what "rookie-friendly" means. Something like "use voice chat to help new players, if you're too good adapt your play to the level of the other players, etc". and then you need some admin that enforce the rules with kicks and bans. You don't need to be there 24/24 though.
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  • Laosh'RaLaosh'Ra Join Date: 2011-12-09 Member: 137232Members
    this is why i initially suggested rookie-only-servers, you cannot really force players to play "bad" on purpose. but UWE has made their decision and it also has several positive aspects. i hope those pro players will grow bored of that abuse over time. other than that, how about a kick-vote?
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    <!--quoteo(post=1980957:date=Sep 20 2012, 07:55 PM:name=Bicsum)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bicsum @ Sep 20 2012, 07:55 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1980957"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->How should we do that?

    Spectate the whole time? Play on there with a handicap?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'd basically kick anyone who kills me, but that would leave an empty server J/K :P
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  • piratedavepiratedave Join Date: 2012-03-10 Member: 148561Members
    its quite easy to solve this

    get more admins for your sever that are enthusiastic about helping new players
    tell them to kick anyone that is farming rookies

    if you have a problem with being kicked ... well what are you doing playing seriously on a noob server, compensating for your small ###### ?
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  • dePARAdePARA Join Date: 2011-04-29 Member: 96321Members, Squad Five Blue
    edited September 2012
    All i want to say is that it is an cool idea but in the current form useless.
    Its like "ah, a green server. Lets do some warmup with fresh meat"

    Why dont make real rookie servers where only the admins can have higher playtime to check things and help people.
    This would help both: The rookies didnt get slaughtered (wich isnt very funny) and the pros can play on pub servers with a little bit more skilled players.
    Its the best for both sides.

    The playtime from steam should be the base for this.
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  • FrankerZFrankerZ Join Date: 2012-05-06 Member: 151627Members
    you cant stop pub stomping from good players, there is no rating system, there is no match making, the Pick up gam system doesnt work.

    Also, I'm pretty sure ppl just join whatever has a freeslot and a decent ping on it, they're not gunning for the rookie and im pretty sure the rookies themselves are not gunning for the rookie servers.
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  • eh?eh? Join Date: 2012-03-03 Member: 147997Members
    I originally thought the purpose of rookie servers were to only allow players marked as rookie to play on them tbh.

    But I guess that would eventually make that server unplayable after someone gets acquainted with the game, and really would hinge on a constant influx of new players every day.

    From my experience it seems like that most effective way to stop pub stomping has been for admins to ask them to leave. Even if it is kind of a ######ish thing to do. Either that or just ask them to command.
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  • KaptajnKLOKaptajnKLO Join Date: 2012-06-25 Member: 153658Members
    I actually thought the rookie-friendly servers were only for newer players, I haven't even tried playing on one.

    Do these rookie-servers have the ns2stats mod?
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  • eh?eh? Join Date: 2012-03-03 Member: 147997Members
    edited September 2012
    That's up to the admin if they have ns2stats on.

    edit: And a whole other matter if they actually keep that plug-in up to date so it actually records stats.
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  • KaptajnKLOKaptajnKLO Join Date: 2012-06-25 Member: 153658Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1982130:date=Sep 23 2012, 09:43 PM:name=eh?)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (eh? @ Sep 23 2012, 09:43 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1982130"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That's up to the admin if they have ns2stats on.

    edit: And a whole other matter if they actually keep that plug-in up to date so it actually records stats.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I was just thinking that if they don't have the ns2stats mod then atleast the better players won't abuse these servers for boosting their stats.

    Also I think the best solution is to specify who the rookie servers are for, i.e. new or less than good players, and have more admins that will "handicap" themselves by e.g. only commanding or going gorge or simply not trying too hard and I think they should kick players who are stomping all over the new players.
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  • RowenRowen Join Date: 2012-05-04 Member: 151545Members
    edited September 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=1980931:date=Sep 20 2012, 09:00 PM:name=dePARA)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dePARA @ Sep 20 2012, 09:00 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1980931"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Maybe we should rename this feature in: "Pro teams warmup server"<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I was going to suggest callling them "noob hunting grounds", but that works too.

    It's hilarious when you see clan players not only going to those servers but stacking teams too.
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