Exploit on ns2_docking

ChronibisChronibis Join Date: 2012-08-26 Member: 156498Members
edited September 2012 in NS2 General Discussion
<div class="IPBDescription">at Tram Departures</div>today on ns_docking i saw someone go gorge and exploit the vent at tram departures to get above the vent and shoot through the wall. he was untouchable even by grenade launchers and could spit at anything easily. please fix, it ruins the map when someone can cheat like this.
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  • bEEbbEEb Join Date: 2012-03-24 Member: 149317Members, NS2 Map Tester
    <!--quoteo(post=1983737:date=Sep 27 2012, 09:23 AM:name=Chronibis)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chronibis @ Sep 27 2012, 09:23 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1983737"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->today i saw someone go gorge and exploit the vent at tram to get above the vent and shoot through the wall. he was untouchable even by grenade launchers and could spit at anything easily. please fix, it ruins the map when someone can cheat like this.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    What vent?
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  • ChronibisChronibis Join Date: 2012-08-26 Member: 156498Members
    theres only 1 vent there, its in-between tram and north point, the guy was spitting at the power node at tram all game and we could'nt do a thing
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  • IndustryIndustry Esteemed Gentleman Join Date: 2010-07-13 Member: 72344Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Supporter
    edited September 2012
    I would PM the mapper Dux directly <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showuser=24371" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/in...?showuser=24371</a> and give a screenshot or detailed description of where the issue is.

    or

    You can annotate the map in game. Traverse to the location where you can get outside the map. Open the console and type "annotate <message>" Where message is the description of the problem.


    edit: Apparently the map was docking. Updating info.
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  • TimMcTimMc Join Date: 2012-02-06 Member: 143945Members
    edited September 2012
    If its the vent I think you are talking about, its hilarious that you could not kill him.

    Edit: Nvm that vent is ages away from the node... no idea what vent you are talking about.
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  • NeoRussiaNeoRussia Join Date: 2012-08-04 Member: 154743Members
    Sounds like one of my gorge shenanigans. Have a screenshot of the spot he shot through? Unless it's something else then the correct word wouldn't be "cheated". It would be more along the lines of "outsmarted" or "outplayed".
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  • ChronibisChronibis Join Date: 2012-08-26 Member: 156498Members
    edited September 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=1983750:date=Sep 27 2012, 10:38 AM:name=TimMc)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TimMc @ Sep 27 2012, 10:38 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1983750"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If its the vent I think you are talking about, its hilarious that you could not kill him.

    Edit: Nvm that vent is ages away from the node... no idea what vent you are talking about.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    its hard to explain, the vent next to the resource tower at tram. he was ABOVE the vent IN the wall and could spit through the wall at the power node from that spot, and no gun or grenade could touch him.

    next time i see it i will take a screenshot for sure. his name was @@@korpicoulous@@@ or something like that

    EDIT: @neorussia: no way it was an outsmart or outplayed tactic, its was CLEARLY an exploit of the map, probably done with clogs
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  • bEEbbEEb Join Date: 2012-03-24 Member: 149317Members, NS2 Map Tester
    edited September 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=1983753:date=Sep 27 2012, 09:46 AM:name=Chronibis)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chronibis @ Sep 27 2012, 09:46 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1983753"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->its hard to explain, the vent next to the resource tower at tram. he was ABOVE the vent IN the wall and could spit through the wall at the power node from that spot, and no gun or grenade could touch him.

    next time i see it i will take a screenshot for sure. his name was @@@korpicoulous@@@ or something like that<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    Well I think were confused because the entire map is named Tram. What part of tram? Server room vent? Elevator transfer? Shipping? Warehouse? You say between north tunnels and "tram" but there are a few between there. 3 if I remember correctly.

    Also, I would'nt put players names in here for things like that....Better to give him the benefit of the doubt and not potentially ruin his reputation.
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  • NeoRussiaNeoRussia Join Date: 2012-08-04 Member: 154743Members
    edited September 2012
    There is no RT point in tram hub on Tram.
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  • ChronibisChronibis Join Date: 2012-08-26 Member: 156498Members
    edited September 2012
    omg ok apparently the map im talking about is ns_docking and its at tram departures. why they name that area tram is beyond me, just makes things more confusing

    @beeb lol he didnt do it by accident, he did it 2 rounds in a row, then i left cuz i cant stand cheaters
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  • NeoRussiaNeoRussia Join Date: 2012-08-04 Member: 154743Members
    UWE sure loves their frickin' trams. They are in every map....
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  • IndustryIndustry Esteemed Gentleman Join Date: 2010-07-13 Member: 72344Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Supporter
    edited September 2012
    Then to update my original response: If you want to PM the mapper directly it is Dux <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showuser=24371" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/in...?showuser=24371</a>

    Or just annotate in the map.
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  • ChronibisChronibis Join Date: 2012-08-26 Member: 156498Members
    cool industry, so if i annotate on any server the feedback will get back to the developers?
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  • IndustryIndustry Esteemed Gentleman Join Date: 2010-07-13 Member: 72344Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Supporter
    edited September 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=1983763:date=Sep 27 2012, 11:03 AM:name=Chronibis)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chronibis @ Sep 27 2012, 11:03 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1983763"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->cool industry, so if i annotate on any server the feedback will get back to the developers?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    As I understand it yes. You can look at annotations you or others have done by using the command "displayannotations <build#> <map>" So displayannotations 220 ns2_docking will display anything annotated during this build.

    Also I am playing around in that vent as a skulk to see if I can find where the leak is and I can't find it :(
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  • bEEbbEEb Join Date: 2012-03-24 Member: 149317Members, NS2 Map Tester
    <!--quoteo(post=1983759:date=Sep 27 2012, 09:55 AM:name=Chronibis)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chronibis @ Sep 27 2012, 09:55 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1983759"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->@beeb lol he didnt do it by accident, he did it 2 rounds in a row, then i left cuz i cant stand cheaters<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    In that case burn him with fire!!!
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  • IndustryIndustry Esteemed Gentleman Join Date: 2010-07-13 Member: 72344Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Supporter
    edited September 2012
    Okay, I figured out how its done. The problem is not necessarily with the map but with the evolution egg stuck feature they added. I am going to annotate it regardless as it might be able to be fixed with some collision geometry or prop adjustments.

    Server Ops will just need to be on the lookout for people doing things like this and banninate them.
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  • NeoRussiaNeoRussia Join Date: 2012-08-04 Member: 154743Members
    edited September 2012
    yea, egg teleporting with evolutions is such a terrible feature. Placing you in random locations when you evolve almost always puts you unintended situations.
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  • 1dominator11dominator1 Join Date: 2010-11-19 Member: 75011Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1983752:date=Sep 27 2012, 12:44 PM:name=NeoRussia)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NeoRussia @ Sep 27 2012, 12:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1983752"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Sounds like one of my gorge shenanigans. Have a screenshot of the spot he shot through? Unless it's something else then the correct word wouldn't be "cheated". It would be more along the lines of "outsmarted" or "outplayed".<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    No I'm pretty sure exploiting flawed map geometry is cheating. One really should report such things if one finds them, after they had their fun of course.
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  • DanielDDanielD Join Date: 2010-11-16 Member: 74960Members
    Yeah, his name is @@@@@@Koporoli@@@@@ or something along those lines. I have seem him do this same thing before. Weird that someone can have so much fun just sitting in a wall pressing mouse 1, but I'm sure his life is really boring.
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  • rantologyrantology Join Date: 2012-02-05 Member: 143750Members, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold
    edited September 2012
    I've figured out how to reproduce this and I will send a detailed report to Dux, should be fixed soon (not in 221 though).

    For now I would suggest reporting anyone doing it to server admins so that they can be swiftly punished ;)
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  • VeNeMVeNeM Join Date: 2002-07-13 Member: 928Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1983752:date=Sep 27 2012, 11:44 AM:name=NeoRussia)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NeoRussia @ Sep 27 2012, 11:44 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1983752"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Sounds like one of my gorge shenanigans. Have a screenshot of the spot he shot through? Unless it's something else then the correct word wouldn't be "cheated". It would be more along the lines of "outsmarted" or "outplayed".<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    oh there goes those silly huggable gorges again....


    just wanna run up and hug them..


    before shooting their faces off.
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  • TimMcTimMc Join Date: 2012-02-06 Member: 143945Members
    Making eggs able to evolve anywhere was a mistake and a half imo. Didn't have problems like this before.
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  • rantologyrantology Join Date: 2012-02-05 Member: 143750Members, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold
    <!--quoteo(post=1983924:date=Sep 27 2012, 03:48 PM:name=TimMc)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TimMc @ Sep 27 2012, 03:48 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1983924"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Making eggs able to evolve anywhere was a mistake and a half imo. Didn't have problems like this before.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I don't think that's fair. The functionality of the system is great I think, you hardly ever get stuck while egging anymore (except in vents). This particular exploit was caused by a specific flaw in the map I believe, it's not the fault of the egg system.
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  • hamham Join Date: 2011-08-31 Member: 119370Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1983789:date=Sep 27 2012, 09:46 AM:name=rantology)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rantology @ Sep 27 2012, 09:46 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1983789"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I've figured out how to reproduce this and I will send a detailed report to Dux, should be fixed soon (not in 221 though).

    For now I would suggest reporting anyone doing it to server admins so that they can be swiftly punished ;)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Are you admitting to using this exploit? What's your ID?
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  • IronHorseIronHorse Developer, QA Manager, Technical Support & contributor Join Date: 2010-05-08 Member: 71669Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Subnautica Playtester, Subnautica PT Lead, Pistachionauts
    In the future, OP, please PM any of the Playtesters, Map makers, or developers when it comes to exploits, instead of posting them publicly.
    I'm always available on steam, as well.
    Thanks
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  • MestaritonttuMestaritonttu Join Date: 2004-07-29 Member: 30229Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold
    When I find an exploit (can you still bilebomb through the glass above terminal CC? found it by accident) I usually do it once or twice for funzies, and always stop when someone calls out an exploit.

    I mean, if your ID gets banned, how the hell you get a new one? You don't? Good luck finding admins and getting them to lift your ban? Oh, sure, there will always be other servers. That suck more. I don't know what I'm rambling about, but I see little harm from exploits in Steam games. Atleast if you play on servers with admins. HBZ FTW. =3
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  • MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1983759:date=Sep 28 2012, 02:55 AM:name=Chronibis)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chronibis @ Sep 28 2012, 02:55 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1983759"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->omg ok apparently the map im talking about is ns_docking and its at tram departures.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I'll edit the topic title to make things a bit clearer.
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  • n0_FXn0_FX Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9304Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    <!--quoteo(post=1983924:date=Sep 27 2012, 05:48 PM:name=TimMc)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TimMc @ Sep 27 2012, 05:48 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1983924"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Making eggs able to evolve anywhere was a mistake and a half imo. Didn't have problems like this before.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    Its a great feature, makes the evolving much faster AND IT UNSTUCKS YOU, if you blinked into some bad spot (as a fade) and got an upgrade left ... (well, there should be a /unstuck command for console though...)
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