Reliable ways of boosting FPS?

The3SeaShellsThe3SeaShells Join Date: 2012-08-05 Member: 154812Members
As the title indicates have any community members stumbled upon ways to reliably boost their fps in-game? So-far I've turned down my graphic settings, but I was wondering if anyone went deeper and had luck. A lot of games can run on customized .inis and I was wondered if NS2 was the case as well.

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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    edited September 2012
    The graphics are not really the cause of the lower FPS (but still depend on the graphics card generation and class of course), now the game has improved a lot, but is still not running optimal on the C2D/C2Q era PC's. The game code, server code and prediction code due to lower tickrate on the server are still the main cause. And this can only be alleviated by a faster CPU, in terms of Ghz. If were talking about the C2D's range, @ 3.0Ghz and higher is your best bet currently as the absolute minimum with FPS from 20-30 in combat, with dips into 15 with very busy combat areas.
  • CamronCamron Join Date: 2011-01-06 Member: 76356Members
    Try overclocking your CPU.
  • The3SeaShellsThe3SeaShells Join Date: 2012-08-05 Member: 154812Members
    edited September 2012
    I have OC'ed my cpu and it definitely does make a difference, I just feel like I could do better in video performance as well. I'm running @1920x1200 with a 4870 which taxes it.
  • Jonp_11Jonp_11 Join Date: 2003-08-24 Member: 20161Members
    It's because this game is very CPU bound. It won't be using your GPU a lot, like others have said the only real way to increase your performance is with a faster CPU.

    There's supposed to be a patch today, here's hoping for some more performance fixes!
  • WilsonWilson Join Date: 2010-07-26 Member: 72867Members
    Turn down your resoltuion. I play with a 4870 and I need to play on 1024x768 for my GPU to not be the bottleneck.
  • ScardyBobScardyBob ScardyBob Join Date: 2009-11-25 Member: 69528Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    Type r_stats in console. Look for the 'Waiting for GPU' line. If it stays near 0ms most of the time, NS2 is CPU bottlenecked and there isn't much more you can do. If its >0ms regularly, then you're having GPU bottlenecking problems and you can do things such as run in fullscreen, reduce your resolution, disable graphic options to help increase your FPS.
  • Laosh'RaLaosh'Ra Join Date: 2011-12-09 Member: 137232Members
    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Turn down your resoltuion.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    this also worked for me. although it's not really running very smooth, i can play the game with merely 2.3 GHz.
  • 1dominator11dominator1 Join Date: 2010-11-19 Member: 75011Members
  • internetexplorerinternetexplorer Join Date: 2011-10-13 Member: 127255Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1983416:date=Sep 26 2012, 05:48 PM:name=1dominator1)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (1dominator1 @ Sep 26 2012, 05:48 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1983416"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Buy new cpu.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    okay I bought a core 2 duo e6300 now what

    where do i put it in?
  • IndustryIndustry Esteemed Gentleman Join Date: 2010-07-13 Member: 72344Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Supporter
    <!--quoteo(post=1983437:date=Sep 26 2012, 04:46 PM:name=internetexplorer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (internetexplorer @ Sep 26 2012, 04:46 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1983437"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->okay I bought a core 2 duo e6300 now what

    where do i put it in?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    Have you tried inserting it into the floppy disk slot?
  • RockyMarcRockyMarc Join Date: 2009-11-24 Member: 69519Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Yup I've bought the resolution right down, and it made a huge difference.
    Definitely turn off the Bloom setting also (I think that's what it's called).
  • IndustryIndustry Esteemed Gentleman Join Date: 2010-07-13 Member: 72344Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Supporter
    <!--quoteo(post=1983456:date=Sep 26 2012, 05:28 PM:name=RockyMarc)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RockyMarc @ Sep 26 2012, 05:28 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1983456"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yup I've bought the resolution right down, and it made a huge difference.
    Definitely turn off the Bloom setting also (I think that's what it's called).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Disabling Atmospherics should also get a good boost if you haven't done that one yet. (or anyone else who wants a fps boost)
  • BruteBrute Join Date: 2009-06-10 Member: 67778Members, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    By no means I want to troll anyone and neither do I suggest that everyone should buy a new PC. That said, I just want to share my latest observations.

    This are the specs of my old PC:
    Intel Core2 Quad @ 2.66GHz, 6GB DDR2 RAM @ 667MHz, GeForce9600GT (512MB), Win7 64-Bit, HDD 7200RPM
    Just as for anyone else, the gameplay was anything but smooth. FPS drops preferably when in contact with the enemy (probably due to the muzzle flashes). Also big freezes after spawning for the first time. Disabling some graphic effects made things a little bit better. Presumably reducing the screen resolution had also an effect, but could also be a pychological one.
    Last week a bought a new PC:
    Intel Core i7-37770 @ 3.40GHZ (HT enabled), 8GB DDR3 RAM @ 1600MHz, GeForce 680 GTX (2048MB), Win7 64-Bit, SSD + HDD 7200RPM
    I am unsure whether it's just the faster CPU or everything combined, but the effect is just "wow". Everything feels very smooth all of a sudden, and I even hit things now (provided the ping is <100). All graphic settings enabled @1920x1080. Also loading times felt a little bit shorter (due to faster RAM I guess), but then I moved the game from the HDD to the SSD. This pretty much eleminated loading times. Starting a private server takes less than 20sec now (used to be >4min). During a mapchange, it says "waiting for server" most of the time.
    If I had only the new PC, I would probably wonder what all the people are constantly complaining about.
  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    It is of course completely unfair to compare an i7 Ivy to a C2Q, they are a lot of years and generations apart from each other :)

    But yeah C2D's and C2Q's are old and cannot run the game completely smooth currently. The second round is usually much more smooth though, because everything has been loaded into memory. But it is still that magic barrier of 3.0Ghz that usually does it.
  • CodeineCodeine Join Date: 2010-11-22 Member: 75155Members
    Why doesnt it use the GPU more?
  • shadershader Join Date: 2003-02-07 Member: 13247Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1983548:date=Sep 26 2012, 11:16 PM:name=Codeine)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Codeine @ Sep 26 2012, 11:16 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1983548"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Why doesnt it use the GPU more?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Because it's hard to run a lua virtual machine on the GPU?

    Even if you can move stuff to the GPU, you often have to wait a bit to get the results back from the GPU, meaning it isn't worthwhile. I think this is why they swapped from GPU based occlusion culling to software (I'm not 100% sure about that).

    But you are right, being CPU limited does mean you may as well turn up the eye-candy as it is "free" (it won't slow the game down).
  • CodeineCodeine Join Date: 2010-11-22 Member: 75155Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1983559:date=Sep 27 2012, 01:48 PM:name=shader)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shader @ Sep 27 2012, 01:48 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1983559"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Even if you can move stuff to the GPU, you often have to wait a bit to get the results back from the GPU, meaning it isn't worthwhile.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Is it the same for non LUA games?
  • shadershader Join Date: 2003-02-07 Member: 13247Members
    edited September 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=1983560:date=Sep 26 2012, 11:53 PM:name=Codeine)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Codeine @ Sep 26 2012, 11:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1983560"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Is it the same for non LUA games?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yes. Nothing to do with Lua. But I haven't done any coding recently that uses the GPU for computations, I'm not sure how fast or slow it is these days (several years ago when I looked at it, it could be a frame or more wait). Techniques like GPU occlusion that involve rendering are slower, straight computations like Nvidia PhysX are pretty fast.

    That thing about running a lua virtual machine on the GPU was a joke. No one would try this (except maybe to show off to other nerds). GPUs are not meant for that kind of work.

    The issue is more that some code has to be run on the CPU - game logic, movement code etc. In NS2 this is mainly running in lua so incurs the speed penalty that comes with using a scripting language. Other games use mainly C++ for this so it takes less time, meaning the time the GPU takes to draw the frame is usually the limiting factor.
  • _Necro__Necro_ Join Date: 2011-02-15 Member: 81895Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    I want to add, that it is in principle possible to run more code on the GPU. At least Nvidia has created a framework named <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUDA" target="_blank">CUDA</a> that is even capable of running Lua with a wrapper on the GPU. But I don't know how much work it would be to move game logic to the GPU with this technique or if ATI has an equivalent of it.
    Maybe some servers with Nvidia graphic cards could benefit a huge time from this.

    Answering the question from Codeine in more detail, NS2 is by design much more CPU-Heavy. With dynamic things like usable buildings, infestation, AI-Units, etc. there is simply much more game logic beside the graphic. A normal shooter doesn't need all this. The maps are static. You got only a few moveable objects and a few spots of a map that can break. This all isn't much that the CPU has to compute. Thats why most other games aren't this CPU-dependent.

    Try creating a TF2 server and watch your FPS. Now add a bunch of bots (AI is CPU-heavy) and look at how many bots your frames go down.
  • NeoRussiaNeoRussia Join Date: 2012-08-04 Member: 154743Members
    edited September 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=1983503:date=Sep 26 2012, 08:53 PM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kouji_San @ Sep 26 2012, 08:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1983503"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It is of course completely unfair to compare an i7 Ivy to a C2Q, they are a lot of years and generations apart from each other :)

    But yeah C2D's and C2Q's are old and cannot run the game completely smooth currently. The second round is usually much more smooth though, because everything has been loaded into memory. But it is still that magic barrier of 3.0Ghz that usually does it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Dems be fighting words. My Q6600 G0 can whoop any non-overclocked I series proccessor's ass, even being cooled by a 30 dollar heatsink with a broken fan. Can still run any game above 40fps, the worst for me is NS2 actually which is just above 40fps on Max settings 1920x1080. Get a solid 20fps more without infestation on the screen. Phenoms IIs are cowering in fear.
  • LocklearLocklear [nexzil]kerrigan Join Date: 2012-05-01 Member: 151403Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, WC 2013 - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1983630:date=Sep 27 2012, 02:31 AM:name=NeoRussia)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NeoRussia @ Sep 27 2012, 02:31 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1983630"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Dems be fighting words. My Q6600 G0 can whoop any non-overclocked I series proccessor's ass, even being cooled by a 30 dollar heatsink with a broken fan. Can still run any game above 40fps, the worst for me is NS2 actually which is just above 40fps on Max settings 1920x1080. Get a solid 20fps more without infestation on the screen. Phenoms IIs are cowering in fear.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    My Phenom II runs NS2 better than your Q6600. :)
  • TeabeardTeabeard Join Date: 2012-09-27 Member: 160867Members
    I use game booster to improve performance, seems to help a little bit.
  • RockyMarcRockyMarc Join Date: 2009-11-24 Member: 69519Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    and the most important boost is... Make sure the Turbo button is on! (I swear it makes the 386 into a 486) :)
    But no obvious ones are drivers, keeping them up to date as much as possible.
    Tweaking settings in the nvidia / ati control panels.
  • MisterNubsMisterNubs Join Date: 2012-03-01 Member: 147912Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1983447:date=Sep 26 2012, 07:13 PM:name=Industry)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Industry @ Sep 26 2012, 07:13 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1983447"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Have you tried inserting it into the floppy disk slot?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Don't forget to delete the system32 folder.
  • ZeframZefram Join Date: 2004-05-11 Member: 28611Members, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, NS2 Map Tester, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, Pistachionauts, Retired Community Developer
    <!--quoteo(post=1983494:date=Sep 26 2012, 07:33 PM:name=Brute)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brute @ Sep 26 2012, 07:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1983494"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->This are the specs of my old PC:
    Intel Core2 Quad @ 2.66GHz, 6GB DDR2 RAM @ 667MHz, GeForce9600GT (512MB), Win7 64-Bit, HDD 7200RPM
    Just as for anyone else, the gameplay was anything but smooth. FPS drops preferably when in contact with the enemy (probably due to the muzzle flashes). Also big freezes after spawning for the first time. Disabling some graphic effects made things a little bit better. Presumably reducing the screen resolution had also an effect, but could also be a pychological one.
    Last week a bought a new PC:
    Intel Core i7-37770 @ 3.40GHZ (HT enabled), 8GB DDR3 RAM @ 1600MHz, GeForce 680 GTX (2048MB), Win7 64-Bit, SSD + HDD 7200RPM
    I am unsure whether it's just the faster CPU or everything combined, but the effect is just "wow". Everything feels very smooth all of a sudden, and I even hit things now (provided the ping is <100). All graphic settings enabled @1920x1080. Also loading times felt a little bit shorter (due to faster RAM I guess), but then I moved the game from the HDD to the SSD. This pretty much eleminated loading times. Starting a private server takes less than 20sec now (used to be >4min). During a mapchange, it says "waiting for server" most of the time.
    If I had only the new PC, I would probably wonder what all the people are constantly complaining about.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    So, you're telling me an upgrade of 2 generations to a CPU, a 4 generation upgrade to GPU, faster RAM AND disk drive... and now NS2 screams? lol.
  • 1dominator11dominator1 Join Date: 2010-11-19 Member: 75011Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1983437:date=Sep 26 2012, 06:46 PM:name=internetexplorer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (internetexplorer @ Sep 26 2012, 06:46 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1983437"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->okay I bought a core 2 duo e6300 now what

    where do i put it in?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Where the sun doth not shine.
  • BruteBrute Join Date: 2009-06-10 Member: 67778Members, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1984010:date=Sep 28 2012, 03:47 AM:name=Zefram)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zefram @ Sep 28 2012, 03:47 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1984010"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So, you're telling me an upgrade of 2 generations to a CPU, a 4 generation upgrade to GPU, faster RAM AND disk drive... and now NS2 screams? lol.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    lol, yeah
    Of course I expected some boost. It simply surprised me how smooth it is running.
    With the old pc being somewhat inside the minimum system requirements, I thought performence drops were more of a general problem, no matter what your specs are.
  • stickybootstickyboot Join Date: 2004-01-29 Member: 25711Members, Constellation
    I found that turning all the settings down, other than the resolutions actually helps get the FPS into the high 30s and 40s during gameplay on a nvidia 260 C2D. Give it a shot to see what you think.
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