Monetizing NS2 videos

VingdolorasVingdoloras Join Date: 2012-10-10 Member: 161998Members
Are we allowed to monetize videos of Natural Selection 2 gameplay (as in, record ourselves playing/spectating/commentating etc, putting it up on Youtube and running ads on that video)?

I recently heard someone talk about Microsoft not allowing people to monetize game footage anymore, and he mentioned games like Minecraft and FTL that allowed everyone to do so (look at <a href="http://youtu.be/oeTLMMpd2YM?t=8m" target="_blank">http://youtu.be/oeTLMMpd2YM?t=8m</a> for some information), so I am just interested in where some other games stand. Is there an official statement from the developers somewhere?

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  • FappuchinoFappuchino Join Date: 2012-10-10 Member: 162008Members
    The videos work in the benefit of indie titles, since it's a cheap, effective way of spreading the word on your game, so obviously, it'd be a bit batty for the developers to do something like that.

    Microsoft can do it because they're big and corporate and have millions on ads. Not the same thing at all.
  • RuntehRunteh Join Date: 2010-06-26 Member: 72163Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited October 2012
    If you actually gained enough viewers and subscribers to be doing so (like over 1 million to be making good money out of it) and regular viewers, I imagine that would mean they were all buying into the game.

    I doubt UWE would have a problem with that, but good luck anyway. Cough, ahem..
  • PricePrice Join Date: 2003-09-27 Member: 21247Members
    Weird, i mean you get money for views of commercial, not for the video itself.
  • AurOn2AurOn2 COOKIES&#33; FREEDOM, AND BISCUITS&#33; Australia Join Date: 2012-01-13 Member: 140224Members, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Forum staff
    This is weird, this question came in the same week as one from longbow games
    monetizing indie play videos week?
  • RuntehRunteh Join Date: 2010-06-26 Member: 72163Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    There are some youtube videos about how much partnership with youtube earns someone. They took total biscuit as an example, and I think it worked out to around £500 a day in earnings.

    Not sure how much truth there was in it.

    But as I say, if you have hundreds of thousands and millions of people watching footage of NS2 regularly or at all (take total biscuits vid for example) then I doubt UWE would complain about that, as it equates to potentially millions in sales.

    I've hear that as a rough estimate in the 'business' of business, for every £1 you spend on advertising, you get £1.50 in return from exposure.
  • EgoGamerEgoGamer Join Date: 2012-06-21 Member: 153536Members, Reinforced - Onos, WC 2013 - Supporter
    It's only titles published under Microsoft that's effected by this ban, so Halo and Mass Effect and the like.

    I know that UWE have said before that you can upload footage all you like, but I don't recall if they addressed monetising them. I imagine they'd be fine with it as it can only help spread awareness of NS2.
  • Skyforger2Skyforger2 Join Date: 2007-10-19 Member: 62681Members
    Youtube have adds ... ?
    ohh yeah long long time ago i met a program called addblock.
  • EgoGamerEgoGamer Join Date: 2012-06-21 Member: 153536Members, Reinforced - Onos, WC 2013 - Supporter
    <!--quoteo(post=1989392:date=Oct 10 2012, 10:09 PM:name=Skyforger2)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Skyforger2 @ Oct 10 2012, 10:09 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1989392"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Youtube have adds ... ?
    ohh yeah long long time ago i met a program called addblock.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Probably won't change your mind but adblock prevents the the content creator from gaining any money for that view, on YT and on twitch. The channels are still floating now, but if adblock isn't addressed at every opportunity this free media bubble can very much burst and a lot of your favourite content can easily go right down the pan.

    TB stated recently that at least half of all his views aren't monetised because of adblock, so that £500 a day would probably be closer to £200. Nice amount if you're living on YT and nothing else, not so great when you own your own business with employees to pay and a Starcraft 2 team to finance.
  • RuntehRunteh Join Date: 2010-06-26 Member: 72163Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    I'd be happy with £250 a day. :(
  • EgoGamerEgoGamer Join Date: 2012-06-21 Member: 153536Members, Reinforced - Onos, WC 2013 - Supporter
    Tell me about it. :)
  • NoxstreakNoxstreak Join Date: 2012-09-21 Member: 160286Members
    I hope that soon we will be able to recognize people running adblock and just not send them any of the content. Youtube ads are not even invasive.
  • countbasiecountbasie Join Date: 2008-12-27 Member: 65884Members
    edited October 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=0:date=:name=EgoGamer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (EgoGamer)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Probably won't change your mind but adblock prevents the the content creator from gaining any money for that view, on YT and on twitch.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    <!--quoteo(post=0:date=:name=Noxstreak)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Noxstreak)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I hope that soon we will be able to recognize people running adblock and just not send them any of the content. Youtube ads are not even invasive.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I just cannot believe what I'm reading here. I'll not start at it, there are endless discussions about author's rights and how the YouTube/Internet generation doesn't think authors have to be paid and complain about locked content on YouTube. Now the YouTube guys want the same. I just can't believe it. Lol.

    EDIT: @OP

    UWE are the authors of the content you just film. It is their choice. If they don't want to be marketed over YouTube for example, where other people earn money by showing their stuff, one shouldn't do it. So it's good you ask.
  • countbasiecountbasie Join Date: 2008-12-27 Member: 65884Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1989367:date=Oct 10 2012, 08:10 PM:name=Price)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Price @ Oct 10 2012, 08:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1989367"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Weird, i mean you get money for views of commercial, not for the video itself.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Was that sarcasm?
  • KhyronKhyron Join Date: 2012-02-02 Member: 143308Members
    On one hand, I'm surprised to hear about not allowing people to monetize game footage any more. It can take a hell of a lot of time and effort to put those videos together, so it's not like you're just selling someone else's product. It's also a free promotion of the game to the exact target audience.

    On the other hand, it's Microsoft, so it's not really surprising that they don't 'get it'.

    That said, it does annoy me when videos are clearly rushed to market, to be the first one to upload a video of a new game. Especially (and inherently because) they have no idea how to play the game. Those people are adding significantly less value (offering no insight or knowledge) to the final product. In that case, yeah it's much more like they're just reselling someone else's product.
  • ScardyBobScardyBob ScardyBob Join Date: 2009-11-25 Member: 69528Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    As I understand YouTube's partnership program (as I'm assuming this is the prime way people would monetize NS2 footage) is that it requires some sort of original content or addition (or explicit permission from the original content creators). Hugh went through this process before joining UWE so anybody interested should probably contact him to see what it entails.
  • WilsonWilson Join Date: 2010-07-26 Member: 72867Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1989395:date=Oct 10 2012, 10:17 PM:name=EgoGamer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (EgoGamer @ Oct 10 2012, 10:17 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1989395"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->TB stated recently that at least half of all his views aren't monetised because of adblock, so that £500 a day would probably be closer to £200. Nice amount if you're living on YT and nothing else, not so great when you own your own business with employees to pay and a Starcraft 2 team to finance.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    Poor TB must be starving on only £70k a year.
  • NeoRussiaNeoRussia Join Date: 2012-08-04 Member: 154743Members
    edited October 2012
    Some companies like Arenanet and Microsoft don't allow you to get revenue from their games. You can still use google ads (I think). The reason that networks like Machinima exist is because companies allow them to monetize their game, like Machinima does with Microsoft for halo for example. I highly doubt UWE would stop you from monetizing videos, as that is usually something the publisher does for their own reasons. If it's not in the EULA that you can't monetize creative works featuring NS2 elements then you can do it.
  • EgoGamerEgoGamer Join Date: 2012-06-21 Member: 153536Members, Reinforced - Onos, WC 2013 - Supporter
    edited October 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=1989506:date=Oct 11 2012, 03:01 AM:name=ScardyBob)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ScardyBob @ Oct 11 2012, 03:01 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1989506"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->As I understand YouTube's partnership program (as I'm assuming this is the prime way people would monetize NS2 footage) is that it requires some sort of original content or addition (or explicit permission from the original content creators). Hugh went through this process before joining UWE so anybody interested should probably contact him to see what it entails.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    You also need individual permission from every publisher for every game you wish to monetise videos on. This is why a lot of people sign up with networks like Machinima and TGS, as they already have those contracts in place.
    edit: and now I look like I just copied what NeoRussia wrote. :P

    <!--quoteo(post=1989510:date=Oct 11 2012, 03:12 AM:name=Wilson)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wilson @ Oct 11 2012, 03:12 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1989510"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Poor TB must be starving on only £70k a year.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Eh, not gonna defend him. Just saying adblock directly screws over the person who's content you're enjoying.
  • VingdolorasVingdoloras Join Date: 2012-10-10 Member: 161998Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1989513:date=Oct 11 2012, 04:31 AM:name=EgoGamer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (EgoGamer @ Oct 11 2012, 04:31 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1989513"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You also need individual permission from every publisher for every game you wish to monetise videos on.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That's exactly what I heard, so unless you've signed up with a network like Machinima or TGS or there's a general statement by the devs (or other people responsible for deciding that) that everyone is allowed to do it, you'd need personal permission. So, what I am looking for is an answer by a dev, or a general statement somewhere that I missed :)
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    Just make the videos. You don't need permission unless YouTube decides to start de-monetizing your videos. I make money from my Men of War videos even though I don't have explicit permission from DigitalMindSoft, and the same goes for my Frozen Synapse videos (no permission from Mode 7 Games). If YouTube took the ads off any of my videos, I'd have to contact those companies and ask for permission to prove to YouTube that what I'm doing is OK, but YouTube doesn't seem to care. They won't care about NS2 either. Don't worry about it.
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