Explore Mode

CheesyPetezaCheesyPeteza Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9784Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
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<div class="IPBDescription">Can't get it working</div>When I try to load the new Explore mode it just gets stuck Loading...

I can't get to the console or press Esc, I have to open task manager and kill NS.

Has anyone got it working?
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  • douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    I haven't had any problems with it, it's pretty cool actually.
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  • CheesyPetezaCheesyPeteza Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9784Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Is there a way to enable some sort of logging so I can see where it is getting stuck?
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  • douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    logs are dumped out to C:\Users\<user>\AppData\Roaming\Natural Selection 2\log.txt

    you can check out that to see what the deal is
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  • phoenixbbsphoenixbbs Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13379Members, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Subnautica Playtester
    IIRC it takes a while to load explore mode, as the maps apparently have to be loaded twice - once for the "server" component, and again for the "player" side - could it be that it just hasn't finished loading ?
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  • CheesyPetezaCheesyPeteza Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9784Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Thanks for the suggestions. I have had a look at the logs, but nothing of much use in them, except to show it seems to have loaded all the maps etc fine. I have an SSD so the maps load really quickly, but even still I left it for a good 20 minutes and still it was stuck.

    I tried starting a normal listen server and this won't start either, I tried a few different maps, same problem. This is weird because I made a listen server during this week to try to learn how to play the game and it worked fine, so something has changed to cause this issue. I haven't changed anything, so it's a bit weird. I guess the only thing that has changed is we have a new build of NS2 now, but I don't want to jump to conclusions.

    I ran process monitor and it shows ns2.exe has not crashed although it appears that way, it is just repeatedly making some network activity.

    <img src="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/655827/WebLinks/ns/em_procmon1.png" border="0" class="linked-image" />
    <img src="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/655827/WebLinks/ns/em_procmon2.png" border="0" class="linked-image" />

    Trying to start Explore Mode Log:
    <!--c1--><div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'><!--ec1-->Date: 09/30/12
    Time: 14:02:51
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Build 221
    Steam initialized
    Render Device: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT  (9.18.13.623)
    Sound Device: Speakers (Plantronics GameCom 780) stereo
    Record Device: Microphone (Plantronics GameCom 780)
    Loading config://ConsoleBindings.json
    Main Menu Initialized at Version: 221
    dev = 0.000000
    Connected to Steam servers
    Mounting mod from C:/Program Files (x86)/Steam/steamapps/common/Natural Selection 2/explore
    Connecting to server 127.0.0.1:27015
    Client connecting (127.0.0.1)
    Loading config://ServerConfig.json
    Loading config://ServerAdmin.json
    Loading config://BannedPlayers.json
    Loading config://MapCycle.json
    Loading config://ConsistencyConfig.json
    Hashed 1 game_setup.xml files for consistency
    Hashed 654 *.lua files for consistency
    Hashed 31 *.fx files for consistency
    Hashed 13 *.screenfx files for consistency
    Hashed 83 *.surface_shader files for consistency
    Hashed 5 *.fxh files for consistency
    Hashed 2 *.render_setup files for consistency
    Hashed 3 *.shader_template files for consistency
    Loading 'maps/ns2_summit.level'
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Finished loading 'maps/ns2_summit.level'
    Server  : 4.255874 : Hive not attached to tech point
    Server  : 4.255874 : Hive not attached to tech point
    Server  : 4.255874 : Hive not attached to tech point<!--c2--></div><!--ec2-->

    Trying to start a listen server log:
    <!--c1--><div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'><!--ec1-->Date: 09/30/12
    Time: 14:05:52
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Build 221
    Steam initialized
    Render Device: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT  (9.18.13.623)
    Sound Device: Speakers (Plantronics GameCom 780) stereo
    Record Device: Microphone (Plantronics GameCom 780)
    Loading config://ConsoleBindings.json
    Main Menu Initialized at Version: 221
    Connected to Steam servers
    Connecting to server 127.0.0.1:27015
    Loading config://ServerConfig.json
    Loading config://ServerAdmin.json
    Loading config://BannedPlayers.json
    Loading config://MapCycle.json
    Loading config://ConsistencyConfig.json
    Hashed 1 game_setup.xml files for consistency
    Hashed 638 *.lua files for consistency
    Hashed 31 *.fx files for consistency
    Hashed 13 *.screenfx files for consistency
    Hashed 83 *.surface_shader files for consistency
    Hashed 5 *.fxh files for consistency
    Hashed 2 *.render_setup files for consistency
    Hashed 3 *.shader_template files for consistency
    Loading 'maps/ns2_summit.level'
    Finished loading 'maps/ns2_summit.level'<!--c2--></div><!--ec2-->
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  • android19android19 Join Date: 2012-08-25 Member: 156449Members
    I have had the exact same problem. I can't figure out a way to get it working either, but maybe at least we know it is not isolated to one computer. maybe it will be fixed in a patch?
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  • IeptBarakatIeptBarakat The most difficult name to speak ingame. Join Date: 2009-07-10 Member: 68107Members, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow
    I have the exact same problem. Are you able to play on custom servers?
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  • CheesyPetezaCheesyPeteza Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9784Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    edited September 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=1985117:date=Sep 30 2012, 03:17 PM:name=IeptBarakat)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IeptBarakat @ Sep 30 2012, 03:17 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1985117"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I have the exact same problem. Are you able to play on custom servers?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I just tried connecting to a Combat Mode server and it got stuck at Downloading Mods...

    Is that what happens to you?
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  • CheesyPetezaCheesyPeteza Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9784Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1985115:date=Sep 30 2012, 03:14 PM:name=android19)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (android19 @ Sep 30 2012, 03:14 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1985115"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I have had the exact same problem. I can't figure out a way to get it working either, but maybe at least we know it is not isolated to one computer. maybe it will be fixed in a patch?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    If they can figure out what the problem is, or if they even know there is a problem.


    If any devs are reading this feel free to email me if you want remote access to my PC to take a look.
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  • IeptBarakatIeptBarakat The most difficult name to speak ingame. Join Date: 2009-07-10 Member: 68107Members, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1985211:date=Sep 30 2012, 03:15 PM:name=CheesyPeteza)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CheesyPeteza @ Sep 30 2012, 03:15 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1985211"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I just tried connecting to a Combat Mode server and it got stuck at Downloading Mods...

    Is that what happens to you?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yep, I get this problem. It seems the devs are already aware of the issue.
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    Explore mode currently only works on Summit, it should be the only one selectable as well. However sometimes it shows a different map, if you've loaded a normal local host with another map.
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  • CheesyPetezaCheesyPeteza Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9784Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1985364:date=Oct 1 2012, 01:18 AM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kouji_San @ Oct 1 2012, 01:18 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1985364"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Explore mode currently only works on Summit, it should be the only one selectable as well. However sometimes it shows a different map, if you've loaded a normal local host with another map.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Is that related to the problem we are discussing here?

    I noticed when I was playing last night I got the following icon appear frequently, someone on the server told me it means there is a connection issue, but I had no connection issues. I was wondering if it was related.

    <img src="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/655827/WebLinks/ns/connection_issue.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

    I tried using my LAN port instead of wireless in case it was a problem with the network device, but it seems to make no difference.
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  • DghelneshiDghelneshi Aims to surpass Fana in post edits. Join Date: 2011-11-01 Member: 130634Members, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited October 2012
    Afaik that icon is bugged sometimes. Not sure what is causing it.
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  • CheesyPetezaCheesyPeteza Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9784Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    I got a new motherboard, cpu and gfx card over the weekend. After installing these (didn't require a complete windows reinstall) everything started working.

    I don't know what the issue was.
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  • IeptBarakatIeptBarakat The most difficult name to speak ingame. Join Date: 2009-07-10 Member: 68107Members, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1988413:date=Oct 8 2012, 07:53 AM:name=CheesyPeteza)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CheesyPeteza @ Oct 8 2012, 07:53 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1988413"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I got a new motherboard, cpu and gfx card over the weekend. After installing these (didn't require a complete windows reinstall) everything started working.

    I don't know what the issue was.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    It's apparently a dual core cpu problem, so most new cpu's wouldn't have that problem.
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  • CamronCamron Join Date: 2011-01-06 Member: 76356Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1988496:date=Oct 8 2012, 12:45 PM:name=IeptBarakat)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IeptBarakat @ Oct 8 2012, 12:45 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1988496"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It's apparently a dual core cpu problem, so most new cpu's wouldn't have that problem.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Not necessarily. I think I can trigger this bug on my triple core cpu. I can play on modded servers just fine though.
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  • CheesyPetezaCheesyPeteza Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9784Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    I went from an Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 to a i7 3770K Quad Core.
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  • Wang TangWang Tang Join Date: 2004-08-18 Member: 30699Members
    I too have this issue; both Explore Mode and Listen Server hang when trying to load. I also have a dual core cpu, if that should be the culprit. I tried with it with multicore rendering on and off, no changes.

    No mods btw, plain ns2. Also checked file cache integrity, no issues there.
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  • enhaxedenhaxed Join Date: 2011-01-03 Member: 76135Members
    edited October 2012
    I'm having the same issue as the OP and am unable to access the explore mode, I am also unable to play the video in the popup that appears when you open the server list. After dismissing the popup I am able to join an unmodded server and play without a problem.

    I would really like to have a go with the explore mode as I anticipate it's just what I need (as an old NS1 player) to get up to speed with the changes and the new maps without being a liability to a team on a pub server.

    below is the relevant section of the log:

    <!--coloro:#00FFFF--><span style="color:#00FFFF"><!--/coloro-->Main Menu Initialized at Version: 221
    Connected to Steam servers
    Mounting mod from C:/Program Files/Steam/steamapps/common/Natural Selection 2/explore
    Connecting to server 127.0.0.1:27015
    Client connecting (127.0.0.1)
    Loading config://ServerConfig.json
    Loading config://ServerAdmin.json
    Loading config://BannedPlayers.json
    Loading config://MapCycle.json
    Loading config://ConsistencyConfig.json
    Hashed 1 game_setup.xml files for consistency
    Hashed 655 *.lua files for consistency
    Hashed 31 *.fx files for consistency
    Hashed 13 *.screenfx files for consistency
    Hashed 83 *.surface_shader files for consistency
    Hashed 5 *.fxh files for consistency
    Hashed 2 *.render_setup files for consistency
    Hashed 3 *.shader_template files for consistency
    Loading 'maps/ns2_summit.level'
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Finished loading 'maps/ns2_summit.level'
    Server : 13.780452 : Hive not attached to tech point
    Server : 13.780452 : Hive not attached to tech point
    Server : 13.780452 : Hive not attached to tech point
    <!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

    As with the OP the only solution is to Ctrl_Alt_Delete and manually kill NS2.

    Added:

    Now that I've come to test it i can't play any of the videos on the Training page, is it possibly a codec issue? Does some kind of video play when you start an Explore map?
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  • Wang TangWang Tang Join Date: 2004-08-18 Member: 30699Members
    @enhaxed

    I can play the videos on the training page, but cannot connect to Explore Mode. So it seems these two issues are not connected.
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  • SuperflySuperfly Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3485Members, Constellation
    I can also confirm that I cannot get explore mode or listenserver to start. Same issue, acts like it's loading the locks up the game. Have to end-task it.
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  • skyriderskyrider Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18811Members
    If you don't have enough already, I can confirm this as well. Shame really, as I really wanted to play on Explode Mode. Same happens (few days ago) when connecting to a server with a mod on it.
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  • ObraxisObraxis Subnautica Animator & Generalist, NS2 Person Join Date: 2004-07-24 Member: 30071Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Silver, WC 2013 - Supporter, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts
    This was known before the patch shipped. Should be fixed soon.
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  • enhaxedenhaxed Join Date: 2011-01-03 Member: 76135Members
    Thanks for the information Obraxis, knowing the devs are aware of the issue makes all the difference for me. If UWE can maintain this level of customer service they have a bright future.
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  • CheesyPetezaCheesyPeteza Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9784Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Were these bug fixes in 222 anything to do with this?

    <ul><li>Fixed bug where mods could not be downloaded on some computers due to file system permissions.</li><li>Increased the loading thread sleep time while downloading mods to address multi-threading problems on Machines with a single core.</li></ul>
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  • CheesyPetezaCheesyPeteza Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9784Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1989475:date=Oct 11 2012, 01:13 AM:name=enhaxed)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (enhaxed @ Oct 11 2012, 01:13 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1989475"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Now that I've come to test it i can't play any of the videos on the Training page, is it possibly a codec issue? Does some kind of video play when you start an Explore map?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    See this:

    <a href="http://store.steampowered.com/gotflash" target="_blank">http://store.steampowered.com/gotflash</a>
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  • [R8]DJBourgeoisie[R8]DJBourgeoisie Join Date: 2007-09-05 Member: 62176Members
    Posting my log file here because there is obviously some direct correlation between my inability to run this or a regular local server.

    Date: 10/12/12
    Time: 17:49:33
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Build 223
    Steam initialized
    Render Device: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 (9.18.13.623)
    Sound Device: Headphones (Realtek High Definition Audio) stereo
    Record Device: Microphone (Realtek High Definition Audio)
    Loading config://ConsoleBindings.json
    Loading config://FavoriteServers.json
    Main Menu Initialized at Version: 223
    Connected to Steam servers
    Downloading mods
    Finished downloading and installing mods
    Mounting mod from C:/Program Files (x86)/Steam/steamapps/common/Natural Selection 2/explore
    Connecting to server 127.0.0.1:27015
    Loading config://ServerConfig.json
    Loading config://ServerAdmin.json
    Loading config://BannedPlayers.json
    Loading config://MapCycle.json
    Loading config://ConsistencyConfig.json
    Client connecting (127.0.0.1)
    Loading 'maps/ns2_summit.level'
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Finished loading 'maps/ns2_summit.level'
    Server : 9.783932 : Hive not attached to tech point
    Server : 9.783932 : Hive not attached to tech point
    Server : 9.783932 : Hive not attached to tech point
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  • enhaxedenhaxed Join Date: 2011-01-03 Member: 76135Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1990284:date=Oct 13 2012, 12:49 AM:name=CheesyPeteza)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CheesyPeteza @ Oct 13 2012, 12:49 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1990284"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->See this:

    <a href="http://store.steampowered.com/gotflash" target="_blank">http://store.steampowered.com/gotflash</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Thanks for the suggestion, it was a good idea but sadly didn't resolve the video issue for me.
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  • skyriderskyrider Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18811Members
    According to the latest news (update):
    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Fixed Explore mode not properly starting up.
    Added a basic "loading" screen to the web server when the map is loading.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It's still not solved. It's just stuck at "loading.." now.
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  • kapacbkapacb Join Date: 2010-09-18 Member: 74068Members
    Same problem here log
    Date: 10/14/12
    Time: 23:32:17
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Build 223
    Steam initialized
    Render Device: NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT (8.17.13.142)
    Sound Device: 8=0<8:8 (#AB@>9AB2> A ?>445@6:>9 High Definition Audio) stereo
    Record Device: 8:@>D>= (#AB@>9AB2> A ?>445@6:>9 High Definition Audio)
    Loading config://ConsoleBindings.json
    Loading config://FavoriteServers.json
    Main Menu Initialized at Version: 223
    Error: Couldn't bind socket (Обычно разрешается только одно использование адреса сокета (протокол/сетевой адрес/порт).
    )
    Error: Error binding server to :27015
    Error: SteamGameServer_Init call failed
    Error: Couldn't connect to Steam
    Downloading mods
    Finished downloading and installing mods
    Mounting mod from C:/Steam/steamapps/common/Natural Selection 2/explore
    Connecting to server 127.0.0.1:27015
    Loading config://ServerConfig.json
    Loading config://ServerAdmin.json
    Loading config://BannedPlayers.json
    Loading config://MapCycle.json
    Loading config://ConsistencyConfig.json
    Hashed 1 game_setup.xml files for consistency
    Hashed 650 *.lua files for consistency
    Hashed 31 *.fx files for consistency
    Hashed 13 *.screenfx files for consistency
    Hashed 83 *.surface_shader files for consistency
    Hashed 5 *.fxh files for consistency
    Hashed 2 *.render_setup files for consistency
    Hashed 3 *.shader_template files for consistency
    Loading 'maps/ns2_summit.level'
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Error: Failed to add an obstacle - no tile cache!
    Finished loading 'maps/ns2_summit.level'
    Server : 6.036526 : Hive not attached to tech point
    Server : 6.036526 : Hive not attached to tech point
    Server : 6.036526 : Hive not attached to tech point
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