"I crap all over your computer lab!"

MaximumSquidMaximumSquid Join Date: 2010-07-20 Member: 72593Members
I originally thought that making a <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showtopic=122316&st=0&gopid=1998708&#entry1998708" target="_blank">Khammander tutoria</a>l was going to be easy, but the strategies become surprisingly deep once you get past the basics

So I'm a bit behind, but here's one of the highlights that won me a game by itself:

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Using cyst spam to deny computer lab made marines take 2 or 3 times as long to secure the node
This gave my team more than enough time to rally and boot out any one axing or reloading their gun on the cysts

Crossroads which was completely undefended remained unchallenged by anyone for over 5 min and very little action after that

What's really interesting is that it didn't work nearly as well when I did it in another game at Reactor Core:

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So while denying works you need to pick the best rooms for it as RC is much easier for marines to take over

A similar strat is to drop a hive to deny a tech point <i>(very expensive)</i>

I found cyst spamming to be a much cheaper alternative:

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Probably the biggest test of cyst spam though was a game that went for over 30 minutes where my team had 5 or 6 res nodes, but could not get a second hive

I was reverse res locked at 200 and spent the whole game lining the halls with cysts until the marines finally got flamethrowers

Bottom line:
It's a very, very inexpensive way to buy your team time when your first hive isn't a shift

Comments

  • antacidantacid Join Date: 2007-08-07 Member: 61821Members, NS2 Playtester
    Don't forget you can hallucinate a hive for 15tres to deny command points.
  • tk-421tk-421 Join Date: 2006-11-03 Member: 58315Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=2000854:date=Oct 30 2012, 05:33 AM:name=antacid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (antacid @ Oct 30 2012, 05:33 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2000854"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Don't forget you can hallucinate a hive for 15tres to deny command points.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    ^^Awesome tip, how long does it stay active? I'd love to see someone hallucinate a whole base (with different structures, maybe even a few aliens)...
  • MisterNubsMisterNubs Join Date: 2012-03-01 Member: 147912Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2000854:date=Oct 30 2012, 09:33 AM:name=antacid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (antacid @ Oct 30 2012, 09:33 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2000854"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Don't forget you can hallucinate a hive for 15tres to deny command points.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    But that requires teching shade.

    And no one in their right mind techs shade first or second hive....
  • MaximumSquidMaximumSquid Join Date: 2010-07-20 Member: 72593Members
    <u><b>antacid:</b></u>

    Hive's often get scanned as marines will start pressuring it and the hallucination will get poofed

    Plus 15 for and advanced shade which might require a mature shade first
  • XariusXarius Join Date: 2003-12-21 Member: 24630Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    edited October 2012
    You should really encourage alien khammanders to do more with less cysts, they cost t.res too and particularly early in the game, those few extra, needless, cysts can make a big difference. Heck, I even saw Hugh in some of his streams place way more cysts than should be necessary. So it's not just something only new khammanders do wrong. Lategame though, I agree cyst spam in strategic areas is generally a good idea to win your team time. You also need to take particular precautions against potential 'blank areas' in your infestation, even early on in the game. (To prevent ninja phasegating)

    Ideally UWE should implement some sort of 'cyst drawing' system, where you can just drag cysts to a destination and it automatically covers the path in cysts at a maximum distance from one another. It would also make that part of the alien khammander a lot less annoying.

    Also, use your p.res as a commander, those 3 hydras and clogs you can place as a gorge with your p.res can make a big difference between losing your upgrade or harvester and not losing it, early on. (In any case, they will always win your team extra time, so there really is NO reason not to use that p.res when you're the commander) And for the love of god, jump out and defend if no other players are nearby. It really bugs me when a commander is calling out for someone to defend the hive against a ninja marine when he could just jump out of the comm chair and defend it himself.
  • TechercizerTechercizer 7th Player Join Date: 2011-06-11 Member: 103832Members
    Not only is this strategy still cheaper than dropping a whip, it's also significantly more effective.
  • XariusXarius Join Date: 2003-12-21 Member: 24630Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    Because whips are a freaking joke, needless to say.
  • insane_enufinsane_enuf Join Date: 2003-06-09 Member: 17160Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2001026:date=Oct 30 2012, 12:28 PM:name=Xarius)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Xarius @ Oct 30 2012, 12:28 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2001026"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Also, use your p.res as a commander, those 3 hydras and clogs you can place as a gorge with your p.res can make a big difference between losing your upgrade or harvester and not losing it, early on. (In any case, they will always win your team extra time, so there really is NO reason not to use that p.res when you're the commander) And for the love of god, jump out and defend if no other players are nearby. It really bugs me when a commander is calling out for someone to defend the hive against a ninja marine when he could just jump out of the comm chair and defend it himself.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    This. A million times this.

    Cyd`ie
  • itspreachitspreach Join Date: 2012-10-30 Member: 164638Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2001097:date=Oct 30 2012, 10:55 AM:name=Xarius)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Xarius @ Oct 30 2012, 10:55 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2001097"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Because whips are a freaking joke, needless to say.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    This saddens me. I like whips :(
  • Katana314Katana314 Join Date: 2012-11-03 Member: 166379Members
    Anyone who thinks whips are useless needs to watch this.
    <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZdY_M9n24c" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZdY_M9n24c</a> (Skip to 4:29 if the rest bores you)
    They are, at the least, entertaining. =)

    Actually, in all seriousness I might try that in games where the marines are suppressed and we have way, way too many resources.
  • tarquinbbtarquinbb Join Date: 2012-11-03 Member: 166314Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2001097:date=Oct 30 2012, 05:55 PM:name=Xarius)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Xarius @ Oct 30 2012, 05:55 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2001097"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Because whips are a freaking joke, needless to say.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    because they don't solo marines? come on...

    if you're a gorge you can defend a room against 1-2 marines, carefully spit and then hide behind the whip. without the whip, you get pushed back and can't do anything to stop them on your own.

    is it worth 15 resources to support a gorge like that, arguably not, but they should NOT be strong enough to solo a marine. that would be terrible.
  • LofungLofung Join Date: 2004-08-21 Member: 30757Members
    if people still fall into this trap 1 year from now id be surprised.
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