<!--quoteo(post=2010007:date=Nov 4 2012, 07:52 PM:name=SixtyWattMan)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SixtyWattMan @ Nov 4 2012, 07:52 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2010007"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->No one is actually going to be shooting lasers when we get into space. Kinetic weapons are the present and future of combat.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Im pretty sure we use lasers to shoot down nukes... Or potentially shoot lasers to shoot down potential nukes anyway...
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Admiral, why dont we just breach the hull after overriding the automatic hatchlocks closing procedure?
Last time we did this an onos just put its fat **** inside the hole and lerks just farted a new athmosphere. It looked so gross that we decided to never ever do this again.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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at least they aren't trying to be like the purple smurfs from planetside (2), the vanu. it's been proven that conventional weapons work, so we stick with them.
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edited November 2012
Anyone else think that maybe the Kharaa Bacterium could be interfering with high tech pewpewpew hand held weaponry and this is the reason not to use silly laser nonesense? Also like I said it ain't magic bullets they fire it is magic "5.56x33mm Subsonic NyTrilium 88" they fire :P
<!--quoteo(post=2009875:date=Nov 4 2012, 10:15 AM:name=Radiocage)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Radiocage @ Nov 4 2012, 10:15 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2009875"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yeah, the mobile siege cannons that fire death lasers through walls were a turning point for the allies in WWII.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=2010100:date=Nov 4 2012, 05:16 PM:name=sharnrock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sharnrock @ Nov 4 2012, 05:16 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2010100"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->But a gun is still much more similar to a gun than a spear. 1000 years ago we didn't have ANY guns.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> You have just made my day, thank you.
<!--quoteo(post=2010106:date=Nov 4 2012, 05:22 PM:name=extollo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (extollo @ Nov 4 2012, 05:22 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2010106"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->the traditional gun and bullet lobby holds sway with the TSF.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> The PRA?
<!--quoteo(post=2010100:date=Nov 4 2012, 05:16 PM:name=sharnrock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sharnrock @ Nov 4 2012, 05:16 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2010100"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Wait another 1000 years and I doubt guns with lead bullets fired from a cartridge will be used for war. War evolves along with technology. That's the point.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> By then we will probably be back to sticks and stones.
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<!--quoteo(post=2010344:date=Nov 4 2012, 11:42 PM:name=PsympleJester)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PsympleJester @ Nov 4 2012, 11:42 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2010344"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Do you get paid everytime you say: "5.56x33mm Subsonic NyTrilium 88" Wait... do you get paid when I say: "5.56x33mm Subsonic NyTrilium 88" ...
Perhaps instead of offering reasons why ballistics exist one should offer reasons why they shouldnt. Guns are simple, cheap, easy to maintain, operate and produce. It is already part of the lore that the TSA is on a strict budget, why spend money on fancy laser guns when bullets will work almost as well and a lot cheaper.
You mention the BFG from doom, yet you seem to forget that was the "ultimate" weapon. In Doom you had a pistol, shotguns, and a chaingun, and you were using at least 2 of those most of your playtime.
<!--quoteo(post=2010439:date=Nov 5 2012, 12:55 AM:name=1dominator1)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (1dominator1 @ Nov 5 2012, 12:55 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2010439"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Perhaps instead of offering reasons why ballistics exist one should offer reasons why they shouldnt. Guns are simple, cheap, easy to maintain, operate and produce. It is already part of the lore that the TSA is on a strict budget, why spend money on fancy laser guns when bullets will work almost as well and a lot cheaper.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We have all seen warhammer... We all know that in the far future mankind forget how to make guns (bolters) and instead mass produce laser guns (lasguns).
If you have 50 "5.56x33mm Subsonic NyTrilium" bullets in your Rifle and you have to shoot a skulk... You fire one "5.56x33mm Subsonic NyTrilium" bullet at that skulk and you have 49 "5.56x33mm Subsonic NyTrilium" still in your rifle! If you have 49 "5.56x33mm Subsonic NyTrilium" bullets in your Rifle and you have to shoot a skulk... You fire one "5.56x33mm Subsonic NyTrilium" bullet at that skulk and you have 48 "5.56x33mm Subsonic NyTrilium" still in your rifle! ...
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
<!--quoteo(post=2010116:date=Nov 4 2012, 05:32 PM:name=godrifle)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (godrifle @ Nov 4 2012, 05:32 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2010116"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Perhaps instead of offering reasons why ballistics exist one should offer reasons why they shouldnt. Guns are simple, cheap, easy to maintain, operate and produce. It is already part of the lore that the TSA is on a strict budget, why spend money on fancy laser guns when bullets will work almost as well and a lot cheaper.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Indeed, a grunt marine would probably have a hard time fixing/cleaning a magic pewpewpew weapon. The ones in Star Trek apparently break if you riflebutt a Borg... That's some sturdy construction right there........
@PsympleJester I don't share my cookieloot dammit! :P
<!--quoteo(post=2010474:date=Nov 5 2012, 01:26 AM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kouji_San @ Nov 5 2012, 01:26 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2010474"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Indeed, a grunt marine would probably have a hard time fixing/cleaning a magic pewpewpew weapon. The ones in Star Trek apparently break if you riflebutt a Borg... That's some sturdy construction right there........<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Didn't you hear? The TSA's OPerational Armoury does all your gun maintenance for you? As well as feeding you, wiping your arse, shining your boots and buttoning up your Shirtgun.
<!--quoteo(post=2010474:date=Nov 4 2012, 08:26 PM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kouji_San @ Nov 4 2012, 08:26 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2010474"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Indeed, a grunt marine would probably have a hard time fixing/cleaning a magic pewpewpew weapon. The ones in Star Trek apparently break if you riflebutt a Borg... That's some sturdy construction right there........
@PsympleJester I don't share my cookieloot dammit! :P<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
To be honest, I never understood why the Federation didn't just start mass producing machine guns when the borg block phaser fire. That brief scene in First Contact made me think 'wut'.
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<!--quoteo(post=2010499:date=Nov 5 2012, 01:47 AM:name=TimMc)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TimMc @ Nov 5 2012, 01:47 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2010499"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->To be honest, I never understood why the Federation didn't just start mass producing machine guns when the borg block phaser fire. That brief scene in First Contact made me think 'wut'.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Indeed the Jean's Tommy Gun did a much better job :P
<!--quoteo(post=2010283:date=Nov 4 2012, 04:04 PM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kouji_San @ Nov 4 2012, 04:04 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2010283"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Anyone else think that maybe the Kharaa Bacterium could be interfering with high tech pewpewpew hand held weaponry and this is the reason not to use silly laser nonesense? Also like I said it ain't magic bullets they fire it is magic "5.56x33mm Subsonic NyTrilium 88" they fire :P<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This was pretty much the reason why the hero in Star Ocean 4 had to use a sword when his entire team all brought assault rifles. The alien life forms were just 'mysteriously' immune to modern gunfire. Personally, I thought it was a little silly and conveniently inconvenient, but w/e.
That's probably the reason why though. Especially given that the com can't construct on infested ground. My guess is that Kharaa bacteria is like a very weak umbra; corrosive enough to dissolve more delicate modern energy ammo. They can redesign armor, but they can't invent a whole new generation of guns on the fly, so they just reinvented old classics.
<!--quoteo(post=2010499:date=Nov 4 2012, 08:47 PM:name=TimMc)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TimMc @ Nov 4 2012, 08:47 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2010499"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->To be honest, I never understood why the Federation didn't just start mass producing machine guns when the borg block phaser fire. That brief scene in First Contact made me think 'wut'.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I had that same geek moment I was like hold up guns work on borg just fine? why did they not replicate guns when they first found out phasers didn't work lol.
Btw The borg are armored, and the bullets still killed them pretty funny if you ask me.
<!--coloro:#FFC0CB--><span style="color:#FFC0CB"><!--/coloro-->The marines of the Trans-System Federation are grossly underfunded. There are several reasons for this, including the fact that the Kharaa is not the only threat they fight. So the name of the game is cost efficiency. Evidently it works.
In the end you have to feel bad for the marines, being thrown at the terrifying alien menace with basic weaponry. Until they shoot a gorge. Heartless monsters! D:<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
Have you ever seen a modern 3rd world country? They are completely dirt poor, but they have modern technology in little pockets around town. They will end up with cell phones and a 1980's computer in their shack. (usually next to their 8-track) with extension cords running from shack to shack. They will run around with 50 year old AK47s and 3 bullets that are probably already spent.
I think the TSF is the future equivalent of Somalia. They have just enough technology scraped together that they can plop on to infected bases, that no one else would touch with a 10 foot pole, and risk their lives to try collecting a miniscule amount of resources.
<!--quoteo(post=2010747:date=Nov 4 2012, 10:38 PM:name=JediPhreaK)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JediPhreaK @ Nov 4 2012, 10:38 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2010747"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Heat ammo rounds might also be another interesting upgrade also.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
High explosive anti-tank rounds? In other words you want a rocket launcher. A group of marines can kill an onos quick enough as it is.
<!--quoteo(post=2010146:date=Nov 4 2012, 10:51 PM:name=Davil)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Davil @ Nov 4 2012, 10:51 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2010146"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think it's more or less because each place has been abandoned and the marines are coming back in. So of course they have to upgrade their old technology to new stuff in order to get the newer weapons.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, I was thinking on something like this:
Marine: "Comm, would be possible to have a weapon that's not our basic pea shooter?" Comm: "You want a slightly different pea shooter?" Marine: "No, I was thinking on a different weapon. One that simultaneously fire many smaller munitions over a wide cone, making it deadly at close range, were most of the encounters take place anyway. We could call it a 'shotgun'" Comm: "Sounds preposterous. I'll put the armory's AI to work on it, just for the lols when one of these wall crawling dog things eat you and your 'shotgun'" Marine: "In any case comm, let's not mention this ever again or tell it to the other teams" Comm: "Of course not. F**k them"
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Im pretty sure we use lasers to shoot down nukes...
Or potentially shoot lasers to shoot down potential nukes anyway...
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oe92UbdoIY&t=2m37s" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oe92UbdoIY&t=2m37s</a>
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Admiral, why dont we just breach the hull after overriding the automatic hatchlocks closing procedure?
Last time we did this an onos just put its fat **** inside the hole and lerks just farted a new athmosphere.
It looked so gross that we decided to never ever do this again.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I want a clip-size of 500.000.000 then.
<!--quoteo(post=2010283:date=Nov 4 2012, 11:04 PM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kouji_San @ Nov 4 2012, 11:04 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2010283"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->"5.56x33mm Subsonic NyTrilium 88"<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Do you get paid everytime you say: "5.56x33mm Subsonic NyTrilium 88"
Wait... do you get paid when I say: "5.56x33mm Subsonic NyTrilium 88"
...
Bugger...
I'll admit, I cracked up.
You have just made my day, thank you.
<!--quoteo(post=2010106:date=Nov 4 2012, 05:22 PM:name=extollo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (extollo @ Nov 4 2012, 05:22 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2010106"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->the traditional gun and bullet lobby holds sway with the TSF.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The PRA?
<!--quoteo(post=2010100:date=Nov 4 2012, 05:16 PM:name=sharnrock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sharnrock @ Nov 4 2012, 05:16 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2010100"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Wait another 1000 years and I doubt guns with lead bullets fired from a cartridge will be used for war. War evolves along with technology. That's the point.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
By then we will probably be back to sticks and stones.
Wait... do you get paid when I say: "5.56x33mm Subsonic NyTrilium 88"
...
Bugger...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
5.56x33mm Subsonic NyTrilium 88 *ahem* maybe
Perhaps instead of offering reasons why ballistics exist one should offer reasons why they shouldnt. Guns are simple, cheap, easy to maintain, operate and produce. It is already part of the lore that the TSA is on a strict budget, why spend money on fancy laser guns when bullets will work almost as well and a lot cheaper.
We have all seen warhammer...
We all know that in the far future mankind forget how to make guns (bolters) and instead mass produce laser guns (lasguns).
<!--quoteo(post=2010437:date=Nov 5 2012, 12:54 AM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kouji_San @ Nov 5 2012, 12:54 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2010437"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->5.56x33mm Subsonic NyTrilium 88 *ahem* maybe<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If I spam it too can we split the profit?
If you have 50 "5.56x33mm Subsonic NyTrilium" bullets in your Rifle and you have to shoot a skulk...
You fire one "5.56x33mm Subsonic NyTrilium" bullet at that skulk and you have 49 "5.56x33mm Subsonic NyTrilium" still in your rifle!
If you have 49 "5.56x33mm Subsonic NyTrilium" bullets in your Rifle and you have to shoot a skulk...
You fire one "5.56x33mm Subsonic NyTrilium" bullet at that skulk and you have 48 "5.56x33mm Subsonic NyTrilium" still in your rifle!
...
Indeed, a grunt marine would probably have a hard time fixing/cleaning a magic pewpewpew weapon. The ones in Star Trek apparently break if you riflebutt a Borg... That's some sturdy construction right there........
@PsympleJester I don't share my cookieloot dammit! :P
Didn't you hear? The TSA's OPerational Armoury does all your gun maintenance for you? As well as feeding you, wiping your arse, shining your boots and buttoning up your Shirtgun.
... Damn you and your cookie loot.
@PsympleJester I don't share my cookieloot dammit! :P<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
To be honest, I never understood why the Federation didn't just start mass producing machine guns when the borg block phaser fire. That brief scene in First Contact made me think 'wut'.
Indeed the Jean's Tommy Gun did a much better job :P
This was pretty much the reason why the hero in Star Ocean 4 had to use a sword when his entire team all brought assault rifles. The alien life forms were just 'mysteriously' immune to modern gunfire. Personally, I thought it was a little silly and conveniently inconvenient, but w/e.
That's probably the reason why though. Especially given that the com can't construct on infested ground. My guess is that Kharaa bacteria is like a very weak umbra; corrosive enough to dissolve more delicate modern energy ammo. They can redesign armor, but they can't invent a whole new generation of guns on the fly, so they just reinvented old classics.
I had that same geek moment I was like hold up guns work on borg just fine? why did they not replicate guns when they first found out phasers didn't work lol.
Btw The borg are armored, and the bullets still killed them pretty funny if you ask me.
In the end you have to feel bad for the marines, being thrown at the terrifying alien menace with basic weaponry. Until they shoot a gorge. Heartless monsters! D:<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
Have you ever seen a modern 3rd world country? They are completely dirt poor, but they have modern technology in little pockets around town. They will end up with cell phones and a 1980's computer in their shack. (usually next to their 8-track) with extension cords running from shack to shack. They will run around with 50 year old AK47s and 3 bullets that are probably already spent.
I think the TSF is the future equivalent of Somalia. They have just enough technology scraped together that they can plop on to infected bases, that no one else would touch with a 10 foot pole, and risk their lives to try collecting a miniscule amount of resources.
I wouldn't mind seeing also a type of Blunderbuss for Marines, a weapon amazing close up but totally worthless beyond 10 feet.
Heat ammo rounds might also be another interesting upgrade also.
High explosive anti-tank rounds? In other words you want a rocket launcher. A group of marines can kill an onos quick enough as it is.
Well, I was thinking on something like this:
Marine: "Comm, would be possible to have a weapon that's not our basic pea shooter?"
Comm: "You want a slightly different pea shooter?"
Marine: "No, I was thinking on a different weapon. One that simultaneously fire many smaller munitions over a wide cone, making it deadly at close range, were most of the encounters take place anyway. We could call it a 'shotgun'"
Comm: "Sounds preposterous. I'll put the armory's AI to work on it, just for the lols when one of these wall crawling dog things eat you and your 'shotgun'"
Marine: "In any case comm, let's not mention this ever again or tell it to the other teams"
Comm: "Of course not. F**k them"