The Welder

WonderWafflesWonderWaffles Join Date: 2012-11-02 Member: 166137Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Comparing itnto the Builder</div>The builder for most people is the E key which is the use key.
The welder is a tool/melee weapon used to <i>repair</i> things.

My question is... Does a welder construct things faster than a builder?
Also, is it true that you can weld doors shut?

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  • mokkatmokkat Join Date: 2009-08-30 Member: 68652Members
    I don't think locking and welding doors is in yet.

    Did anyone else notice how you can build stuff fast to 100% with the Welder's attack, but you have to suffer a slight delay and press E to actually finalize?
  • tarquinbbtarquinbb Join Date: 2012-11-03 Member: 166314Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2014402:date=Nov 7 2012, 08:45 PM:name=mokkat)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mokkat @ Nov 7 2012, 08:45 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2014402"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't think locking and welding doors is in yet.

    Did anyone else notice how you can build stuff fast to 100% with the Welder's attack, but you have to suffer a slight delay and press E to actually finalize?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    what? hmmm.. i was sure i'd accidentally tried to build with my welder a couple of times and it didn't do anything.

    welder is for repairing, and repairing does take longer than building (maybe because the 'blueprint' itself counts as about 20-30% already built or maybe because it uses a totally different scale, not sure).
  • BlindgaBlindga Join Date: 2012-10-21 Member: 162931Members
    Using the welder to construct things is faster than using the builder.
  • Uh-OhUh-Oh Join Date: 2002-11-04 Member: 6917Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2014414:date=Nov 7 2012, 03:53 PM:name=Blindga)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Blindga @ Nov 7 2012, 03:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2014414"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Using the welder to construct things is faster than using the builder.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    +1
  • jergodzjergodz Join Date: 2011-05-20 Member: 99745Members
    It goes to 100% faster and stay there while you still build because the welder shows the buildings health not build percentage as it is used primarily for repairing not building. But you can use both to build stuff.
  • ZekZek Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 7962Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited November 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=2014414:date=Nov 7 2012, 04:53 PM:name=Blindga)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Blindga @ Nov 7 2012, 04:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2014414"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Using the welder to construct things is faster than using the builder.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I don't think this is true, my understanding is that the welder is only faster at repairing broken power nodes. It builds things at the normal speed - the only reason the welder even does that is to prevent confusion since people often tried to build things with it before that did anything. However, the welder does appear to increase the building's health faster, such that it hits max health before it's done building. Not sure if that's a bug.

    While we're on the subject, pressing E to repair a power node should use your welder rather than the builder. Maybe it should just do that for building anything for that matter, it is a builder attachment after all.
  • BlindgaBlindga Join Date: 2012-10-21 Member: 162931Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2014434:date=Nov 7 2012, 02:07 PM:name=Zek)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zek @ Nov 7 2012, 02:07 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2014434"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't think this is true, my understanding is that the welder is only faster at repairing broken power nodes. It builds things at the normal speed - the only reason the welder even does that is to prevent confusion since people often tried to build things with it before that did anything. However, the welder does appear to increase the building's health faster, such that it hits max health before it's done building. Not sure if that's a bug.

    While we're on the subject, pressing E should use your welder to repair a power node rather than the builder.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I don't think so. Maybe someone can get a stopwatch and time it?
  • VitdomVitdom Join Date: 2012-04-30 Member: 151345Members, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    Welders only repair broken powernodes faster than if you "rebuild" them using the builder.
  • PureHostilityPureHostility Join Date: 2012-11-06 Member: 167579Members
    edited November 2012
    The thing I noticed, differences of building with welder and builder.

    With builder, health of the structure usually is synced with the percentages of the final product (so 90% of the building = 90% of its health).
    With welder I was able to totally buff it's HP to max WAY before actually finishing it.
    You have to watch % display on the welder to see how long till the building is finished building ;) .



    Beside that.
    Welder is more silent in my opinion, you can better hear the noises around you.


    in conclusion
    Welder > builder.
  • [TGL]Thunderhorse[TGL]Thunderhorse Join Date: 2012-03-04 Member: 148134Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow
    i think the welder just seems faster cause it heals the building while building it at the same speed as the builder.

    i think it is like this because you can start building a structure stop...have it damaged...the heal it while it is not built fully
  • Heroman117Heroman117 Join Date: 2010-07-28 Member: 73268Members
    I recall the devs saying that they made the welder able to construct buildings to prevent confusion only, and had set it to build at the same rate as repair.

    Sounds conceivable that it only appears to be building faster because the welder also heals structures.
  • BlindgaBlindga Join Date: 2012-10-21 Member: 162931Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2014624:date=Nov 7 2012, 04:28 PM:name=Heroman117)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Heroman117 @ Nov 7 2012, 04:28 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2014624"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I recall the devs saying that they made the welder able to construct buildings to prevent confusion only, and had set it to build at the same rate as repair.

    Sounds conceivable that it only appears to be building faster because the welder also heals structures.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I tested it and found this to be true...

    Sorry to misinform. The welder does not build things faster. It's just a trick.
  • MistenTHMistenTH Join Date: 2003-01-01 Member: 11706Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited November 2012
    Builder shows construction completion %.

    Welder shows structure current HP.

    Builder only builds (with exception of repairing DEAD power node at 1/2 rate).

    Welder repairs AND builds (at same rate as builder).

    Welder will show structure HP to 100% faster as it 'repairs' it up, but construction time is still the same. Kudos to Hostility for pointing out welder building advantage as it is quieter. You can look at the structure itself for the actual build %.

    Welder notes: Kills cysts very fast, but kills structures slower. The AOE welder cone is quite sizable, you can get skulk kills while repairing exos.

    Lore tip: If you haven't noticed, the 'welder' is actually an attachment to the 'repair' tool. Use the tool, you'll see the animation play. Pretty cool.
  • ZeCruiserZeCruiser Join Date: 2012-11-07 Member: 167991Members
    I've wondered about this just yesterday myself. I have noticed that using the builder on a phase gate raised it by roughly 1% per second, whereas the welder would construct it with 2% per second, but it was inconsistent and would sometimes increase it by less or slightly more per second. I feel like it is faster than the builder, though.
  • schkorpioschkorpio I can mspaint Join Date: 2003-05-23 Member: 16635Members
    I always thought that the welder built powernodes much faster - but that may have been changed.
  • PureHostilityPureHostility Join Date: 2012-11-06 Member: 167579Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2014640:date=Nov 8 2012, 01:36 AM:name=MistenTH)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MistenTH @ Nov 8 2012, 01:36 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2014640"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Builder shows construction completion %.

    Welder shows structure current HP.

    Builder only builds (with exception of repairing DEAD power node at 1/2 rate).

    Welder repairs AND builds (at same rate as builder).

    Welder will show structure HP to 100% faster as it 'repairs' it up, but construction time is still the same. Kudos to Hostility for pointing out welder building advantage as it is quieter. You can look at the structure itself for the actual build %.

    Welder notes: Kills cysts very fast, but kills structures slower. The AOE welder cone is quite sizable, you can get skulk kills while repairing exos.

    Lore tip: If you haven't noticed, the 'welder' is actually an attachment to the 'repair' tool. Use the tool, you'll see the animation play. Pretty cool.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    Well, if structure is in ghost mode, welder shows completion % beside actually filling it's health and armor way way faster than builder.

    So actually, a welder is a straight upgrade.
    Not only it lets you secure building against additional attacks faster (structure will have max hp in shorter time) it's also less noisy and less distracting. Also you can kill aliens with it... I today killed an onos by trying to repair an exo, welded that poor onos to death..
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