No Lmg Rush Nerf?

skulkswerenerfedskulkswerenerfed Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10633Members
edited December 2002 in NS General Discussion
<div class="IPBDescription">unstoppable</div> although phase HP nerf did help, nothing stops LMG rush.
get 1-2+ people with aim
=
instalose

I don't carry how well you can skulk, you are dead.

also, no alien spawn time fix. It's about a minute + to spawn

EDIT: I realize that most of you have no aim, and have never seen anybody with aim. Before 1.03 I was alien only and since they nerfed carapace, I just tell everyone to rush hive if they know me, and I can usually kill 3 skulks at medium range and solo cause aliens to lose.
This is somethign that's hard to fix because the skill range is big on this game, newbies of course can't kill anything and will complain about being too "weak" in high skill matches aliens don't have a chance.

You have to realize that LMG is usually better than the HMG and HA is mostly useless. Rarely should a game get to midgame when marines can rush and win and if they can't they can phase AND OR seige it. (down a long hall to make it easier)

Things to be fixed.
1. Skulks too weak HP wise, pre carapace nerf you could defend with level 3 carapace, and now it's not as useful as it used to be. Make it better but not as strong as it used to be.

2. I don't know. It's impossible to make LMG balanced with people that can't aim and people with perfect aim.

I've been accused of cheating just about everytime as skulk and LMG marine
So don't tell me that I'm bad at skulk/marine.

Comments

  • WraithOfDarkWraithOfDark Join Date: 2002-10-01 Member: 1393Members
    edited December 2002
    Gawd, quit hacking apart the marines, they're hard pushed enough as it is! If they nerf the marines anymore they won't win at all, ever.
    1-2 people with 'aim'?
    What the HELL is 'aim', some sort of god of cheating or something?

    I'm sorry but '1-2+ people with aim' are not going to instantly win, <b>they are going to die</b>.
    If you are completely unable to 'skulk' as the aliens name suggests then it's your own fault!

    <b>Of course they are going to shoot you if you run the full length of a corridor in plain view</b>, the mappers didn't spend hours cutting alcoves into the walls and ceilings just to provide you with some scenery!

    I play aliens most of the time, and '1-2+ people with aim'...hell yeah, <b>the marines do instantly lose</b>!

    If you want a game in which the aliens win every time, run your own server and simply kick all the marines over and over and over and over.


    Reminds me of people saying things like 'learn to aim'. Might have been difficult for them, but I mastered the allmighty principle of 'moving the mouse' when I first touched a PC.

    <span style='color:blue'>Damn, that caps lock key of yours has to be pretty worn down.</span>
  • AcrobadAcrobad Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1779Members
    If you know they're going to rush, ambush the place <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    it <i>may</i> not work but it can surely take down a few of them.

    And yes I am against marine rushing... but I won't suggest something to be nerfed. I just want a valid counter tactic...
  • GreedoGreedo Bounty Hunter Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 37Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Dude, I'm sorry if you still haven't found any counter strategies to a marine rush. And I'm sorry if you play on servers where 1-2 marines with good aim can destroy your alien team. And I'm sorry if you can't skulk well enough to at least manage to take out one marine in a group of two half the time. And I'm sorry if you seem to always be the last one to die, and have to get in line at the end of the respawn queue. And I'm sorry if you don't realize that things like increased IP cost and no more half-health hives are LMG rush nerfs.

    I'm sorry if the game isn't exactly the way you want it to be.
  • Hang_LooseHang_Loose Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7775Members
  • uranium_235uranium_235 Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9478Banned
    LMG rushes aren't a problem, but phase gate rushing is still pretty lame, especailly since it's hard to kill the thing while avoiding fire at the same time (*trip* --WOOSH-- -+=BLAM BLAM BLAM=+- *Splurt*)
  • TenSixTenSix Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7932Members
    They are making the 1st hives spawn at full health. As it is now the 1st hive will spawn as though a Gorge just built it (which is to say, it has to heal to full health). Meaning even a early game rush by 1 Marine could possible take it out.

    With the new patch the 1st hive will spawn at 100% health. Thus it won't be easy for 1-2 Marines to kill it unless the Aliens are completely moronic.

    Or at least thats my understanding <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • coilcoil Amateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance. Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Actually, *all* hives now spawn with full health.
  • othellothell Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4183Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--skulkswerenerfed+Dec 24 2002, 12:59 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (skulkswerenerfed @ Dec 24 2002, 12:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->EDIT: I realize that most of you have no aim, and have never seen anybody with aim. Before 1.03 I was alien only and since they nerfed carapace,


    I've been accused of cheating just about everytime as skulk and LMG marine
    So don't tell me that I'm bad at skulk/marine.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    1) Get your facts straight before you try to post. Carapace was NOT nerfed. It was fixed. There was a bug. It no longer exists. It is not the developers' fault that you got used to a known bug.

    2)Being accused of cheating gives you some sort of credibility? HA HA
  • SirusSirus Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8466Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
  • Speed_2_DaveSpeed_2_Dave Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8788Members
    um, the marine rush is not unstoppable. if you can pull off a few sensory chambers, cloaked skulks make mincemeat out of overconfident marines. *shrug* almost won a game with sensories built first, but then 2 aliens decided to stay hiding instead of to help kill the marine building a phase gate *shrug* I'm still kinda mad about it, the game was BEAUTIFUL.
  • BedwettingTypeBedwettingType Join Date: 2002-07-26 Member: 1001Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--skulkswerenerfed+Dec 25 2002, 02:59 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (skulkswerenerfed @ Dec 25 2002, 02:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->although phase HP nerf did help, nothing stops LMG rush.
    get 1-2+ people with aim
    =
    instalose

    I don't carry how well you can skulk, you are dead.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Let's pretend for a moment that you're right.

    ..........How, pray tell, did the marines get to your hive?
  • scioskulkscioskulk Join Date: 2002-11-30 Member: 10273Members
    Even without the 1.04 marine rush nerfing, the marine rush is quite stoppable if your entire team knows what's up. And it only takes one guy with a mic or a keyboard to inform everyone. Of course, the entire team has to be willing to listen and not run around scowering for a rambo or two to kill. The real trick is to get everyone to hurry to the spot where the rush phase gate has been placed before it gets put online. Also, it's important to note that the marine rush works to differing degrees depending on the map being played.
  • skulkswerenerfedskulkswerenerfed Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10633Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--BedwettingType+Dec 24 2002, 02:41 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BedwettingType @ Dec 24 2002, 02:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--skulkswerenerfed+Dec 25 2002, 02:59 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (skulkswerenerfed @ Dec 25 2002, 02:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->although phase HP nerf did help, nothing stops LMG rush.
    get 1-2+ people with aim
    =
    instalose

    I don't carry how well you can skulk, you are dead.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Let's pretend for a moment that you're right.

    ..........How, pray tell, did the marines get to your hive?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ran/seige
  • skulkswerenerfedskulkswerenerfed Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10633Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--othell+Dec 24 2002, 01:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (othell @ Dec 24 2002, 01:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--skulkswerenerfed+Dec 24 2002, 12:59 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (skulkswerenerfed @ Dec 24 2002, 12:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->EDIT: I realize that most of you have no aim, and have never seen anybody with aim. Before 1.03 I was alien only and since they nerfed carapace,


    I've been accused of cheating just about everytime as skulk and LMG marine
    So don't tell me that I'm bad at skulk/marine.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    1) Get your facts straight before you try to post. Carapace was NOT nerfed. It was fixed. There was a bug. It no longer exists. It is not the developers' fault that you got used to a known bug.

    2)Being accused of cheating gives you some sort of credibility? HA HA<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    troll.
  • DaLaggaDaLagga Join Date: 2002-12-23 Member: 11437Members
    Ok, i'm sorry, but if you constantly win rushing the alien hive, then you're playing a bunch of n00bs. And as far as your "aim" thing goes, you're really foolish, most of winning a game is having a good comm, not a team with "aim". And being accused of hacking in every server you play in is hardly worth bragging about. It just means you're a bigger loser than everyone else b/c you've spent a gizillion hours playing shooters where others have not. Nothing annoys me more than those ppl (mainly on counterstrike) who are like "owned you n00b" every time they kill someone and insult ppl whenever some1 kills them. And especially ppl who brag about their stats. COME ON GUYS!!! do you actually think everyone devotes their lives to games?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> The fact is, higher rec = bigger loser. For those of you who think you're all that and you have "aim" i have only one thing to say, games are intertainment for most ppl, not a way of life, except for you maybe.
  • othellothell Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4183Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--skulkswerenerfed+Dec 24 2002, 02:52 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (skulkswerenerfed @ Dec 24 2002, 02:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->troll.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Not really.

    Either way... You still have yet to say something meaningfull. Until you do and continue to say such things as carapace was nerfed I really will not give your whining much respect... if any.

    Now for your other answer: "ran/siege"

    One of the silliest things I've ever heard. How else will they get there? You mean there were no skulks attacking or ambushing? You mean you have yet to realize that skulks are not meant to be used in full-frontal charges? You mean you can't handle a marine killing you from a distance with a gun? OMG, magic!

    And siege?? Siege is not really that much of a weapon used at the beginning of a map... primarily because there are too few resources. So if the marines are able to get a siege up early game then your team is not exactly doing their jobs, because early game it would take quite some time to get the necessary resources for siege cannons.

    Now... if you're complaining about marine rushes mid-game... Grow up.
  • HellbillyHellbilly A whole title out of pity... Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3931Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Well said Greedo. I agree 100%.
  • OWAOWA Join Date: 2002-12-22 Member: 11322Members
    Far too often marine rushes succede because people run blindly into them and die horribly. I've just tonight played a game where every marine excursion from the base, often the entire team, has been severly cut off and killed, how? No one attacked head on, ever, we worked as a team and communicated. Everyone talked to eachother and said where the marines were, if they had 5 guys in a spot, the skulks infront would fall bakc, someoen would come in from the rear, take one out, retreat, repeat. Everyone used celings and walls and shadows, no one bum rushed, and we won harder and faster and earlier than any game I've ever seen (outside of a successful first rush)
  • ShockehShockeh If a packet drops on the web and nobody&#39;s near to see it... Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    I just love Skulkswerenerfed's Sig.

    Why didn't ya just write...

    "If you don't agree with me, I'm better than you." ?

    It woulda had the same effect. But I did like the ran/siege (spelt correctly, just for a change) answer, at the start of the game. Really? That'd be neat. I'd love to see how you built a siege at the very start of the game.

    Having an opinion is one thing. Flaming in the belief that yours is the only viable one is not.
    Apologies for the blatant flame, [to the rest of the board] but some people just don't consider.

    People, do not bother. Puberty will be punishment enough for this one.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    It's getting a little too flamey in here.

    <span style='color:red'>***Locked.***</span>
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